Ju 87 Stuka GB

499 posts before this GB even opened.  This is going to be fun!!!

Ok guys, you may begin. And a nice way to start, thanks GAF.

Mustang, it was damn close, 499.

ALRIGHT!  STUKA VOR!

"Wir stürzen vom Himmel der Erde zu
An Wolkenbergen vorbei
Wir lassen dem Feinde keine Ruh'
Wir sprengen das Herz ihm entzwei
Wir schlagen die Gegner mit Mut und mit Kraft
Wir öffnen dem Sieger das Tor
Wir tragen das letzte Schicksal der Schlacht
Stuka, Stuka vor! Stuka, Stuka vor!"

(For inspiration only.)

I was just checking the roster, and ye, we have 2 others building that one as well. No worries, add pics when ever you happy to.

Yes, 1/48.  I think I read a few pages back, that others are doing it as well.

I think I'll wait to post pics of my older build until I can also show something a little, shall we say, "nicer?"

Thanks.

Glad to have you on board Tom. Is that a 48th scale kit, I am not to familiar with Monogram. Feel free to post some pics of your older build if you wish, and while your following along, feel free to make any comments you wish, as you can see, the guys here do like to chat, 33 pages and its not started yet, well not quite. I will add you to the roster.

Been following this thread since the beginning and wanting to jump in.  I’ve never done a group build; I’m recently back in the hobby after 30 years.

At that time, the last model I built was the Monogram Ju-87D.  Back then it was strictly OOB; no seam filling, no air brush; decals directly on top of the flat paint; no mods whatsoever.  I’ve still have that model (along with several others built that same way).

I’ve come a long way since then; still not anywhere near the great work I see other’s doing, but much better than I used to be.  

So here’s my plan.  I’ve grabbed another Monogram kit and plan to build it OOB except using my better skills and techniques. The only difference in the two will be the technique.

It’ll be interesting to set the two side by side for a comparison.  

I’ll probably start slow as I’d really like to finish the B-17 I’m currently working on.  Should finish the fort in a month or so.  In the meantime, I’ll be following along closely.

Good find Mike, ye, that's it. I think I have seen some cases of two or even 4 being fitted to each bomb. If you look at the other fin, there are two loops attached for another siren. I am not how these work, I think they may have been a whistle rather than a siren as on the 87's fitted ones.

Bish

Mike, you have to remove the stubs, if I remember right, the instructions do say that. Though I did just have to look at mine. Its odd as Academy never did a D-3 as far as I know, and early D-3 did have the stub but not the propeller.

Thanks Bish.  I guess I should have taken a little closer look at the kit and the instructions.  Well, now I will just have to build an earlier variant so I can include the trumpet!

Regarding the bomb getting the whistle; the German Jericho-Trompete Wikipedia page links to a picture of the bomb on this page.  You can see the tube on the fin that Bish is talking about.  At least, I assume that is it.

Pilot, sorry, forgot the other bit.Yes, GMT it is (well, its BST now, 19.00 as I post this)

Clemens, I am guessing that Hasegawa's kit is also based on their D kit. You will have to remove the stubs as the G-1 was built using later model D-3's. But I know your doing a G-2, and no D-5's had them.

Yep, it is that book. In full he says

''Once the enemy had become used to dive bombing attacks, the noise makers were removed, not least because of the speed loss of 20-25kph which they caused''.

he then mentions the noise makers put onto the fins of bombs. I think I have seen these, they may have been used from early in the war on bombs carried by standard level bombers. I don't have a pic to hand, but if I remember right, they look like a tube on the fin of the bomb.

Mike, you have to remove the stubs, if I remember right, the instructions do say that. Though I did just have to look at mine. Its odd as Academy never did a D-3 as far as I know, and early D-3 did have the stub but not the propeller.

I just had another look at the sprues of my Kanonenvogel and noticed that Hasegawa molded the siren mounts in place on the gear legs. Were they still in place on the real Birds after the sirens were removed or were they removed as well?

No problem, Schmidty

Bish. If that is the book, the wikipedia reference lists pgs 64-65, about the jerichos.

Oh, so you are using UK time (GMT) as the startoff? That means I can start work tonight, Houston time! Or, is that cheating?

Bish

Mike, the G's definatly did not have them. The last model to be fitted with them was the D-1. And as the G's don't dive in the same way the bomber's would, there would be no point. The dive brakes were also removed.

Thanks Bish.  The thing confusing me (other than my own poor reading skills, apparently ) was that the Academy G kit seems to have them.  I didn't look super close to see if the propellers were in there, but the legs do have "posts" on them that I assumed were the trumpets.  I'll have to take a closer look.  Maybe they are just some sprue from the production process.

panzerpilot

The only reference I found was from Wikipedia, under the Ju87B paragraph. It actually says a loss of 10-20mph, (about 15 knots) The reference there points to this book:

Griehl, Manfred. Junker Ju 87 Stuka. London/Stuttgart: Airlife Publishing/Motorbuch, 2001

I especially like the paragraph on "diving procedure". Very interesting. Here is a link to that site, in case it's harder to find in Europe, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87

Hmmm...I read that page too.  Or at least thought I did.  I guess I skipped right over that part!   Thanks Panzer!

Pilot, I think that must be the book I got recently, that I think Nathan mentioned. I will have a look later.

Mike, the G's definatly did not have them. The last model to be fitted with them was the D-1. And as the G's don't dive in the same way the bomber's would, there would be no point. The dive brakes were also removed.

I hadn't heard that about slowing the aircraft down, interesting one.

6 hours till kick off.

schmidty

panzerpilot

I read where the Jericho Trumpets created a lot of drag. 15-20 knots of it! Yikes. Which, on the already slow Stuka caused them to be removed in favor of whistles attached to the bombs.

Do you remember where you read that, PanzerPilot?  I've read that as well, although I can't find anything definite...just passing remarks.  According to the German Wikipedia article, they only used them in the first half of the war.  But there is no attribution for that claim.

The only reference I found was from Wikipedia, under the Ju87B paragraph. It actually says a loss of 10-20mph, (about 15 knots) The reference there points to this book:

Griehl, Manfred. Junker Ju 87 Stuka. London/Stuttgart: Airlife Publishing/Motorbuch, 2001

I especially like the paragraph on "diving procedure". Very interesting. Here is a link to that site, in case it's harder to find in Europe, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87

panzerpilot

I read where the Jericho Trumpets created a lot of drag. 15-20 knots of it! Yikes. Which, on the already slow Stuka caused them to be removed in favor of whistles attached to the bombs.

Do you remember where you read that, PanzerPilot?  I've read that as well, although I can't find anything definite...just passing remarks.  According to the German Wikipedia article, they only used them in the first half of the war.  But there is no attribution for that claim.

If this is true, my -G would almost certainly not have them.  Does anyone have any well documented information about this?  Is this more of a pilot preference thing, or were there actual "orders" to remove the Jericho Trumpets at some point?  Maybe at some point they just quit coming with them from the factory?

Thanks, Mustang. I'm hoping the Stuka goes as well as the Tony did!

I read where the Jericho Trumpets created a lot of drag. 15-20 knots of it! Yikes. Which, on the already slow Stuka caused them to be removed in favor of whistles attached to the bombs.

Panzerpilot: That Tony looks great! Sorry I didn't post anything on that sooner. Paint looks awesome!

Mikey, ye, I think he well might.

Mike, nice pics, I have not seen those top two before. The blades are a lot bigger than the kit ones I have seen.

I've been doing a little research on the Stuka's most unique feature; the Jericho-Trompete (Jericho Trumpet).  I ran across a few pictures in case anyone is interested.

Heck, Oberst Rudel would be proud of that Leggo Stuka!

My son has the pro builder P-51 but I've never seen a stuka.  There is also a B-17 on that site too

My son is really into legos. Once he see's this he's gonna flip!!! Thanks for sharing that Mike!

Now that's sweet, I want one.

Thanks for the comments on the "Tony" , guys.

Dang. When I was a kid, all you could make with legos was a block house. A lego Stuka? Complete with guards and mechanics? A G model, no less! Good taste!

How about something fun to look at while we are waiting for this GB to start?  I'm sure a lot of us played with legos when we were kids.  I bet there's a few here who still do.  I stumbled across this awesome Lego creation on the web. 

Here is the web page I found it on.  There are a couple more pictures of it there.