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  • Member since
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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 6, 2014 4:32 PM

Snap, some nice info there, I had never heard of RLM 41 or 42 before, certainly something to think about. I have added you to the roster.

Johan, nice work there, I like the engine.

mikey, my optivisor never leaves my head, one of the best modelling investments I have made.

We are off to a great start, thanks a lot guys. Some great info sharing and some great looking builds.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by mikeymize on Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:58 PM

Thanks so much Nathan! BTW, it's an R2 according to what little I've thus located. As the date indicates 1941 I think RLM 02 should be good for interior. I'm working on that and the pilot & bordfunker since in this scale seat belts and the like would be too taxing on my shaky hands. I'm certainly getting my use out of the optivisor!

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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  • From: Gothenburg
Posted by JohanT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:08 PM

Hi,

I am using XF-22 for RLM02..

Not sure how close the match is but I think it is an OK compromise.



The sidewalls are getting some detail picked out atm.

Very Best Regards

Johan

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:31 AM

HI Chaps.

I will be joining in with the GM shortly with Trumpeter's 1/32 Stuka B2.

As I have been reading through the build I would like to share something with you all.

I have been doing much research into German colours during WWII for Air, ground and naval forces.

It seems that the general consensus is that up to late 1941 all cockpits were painted RLM 02. This is not the case.

RLM is a general overall primer colour which was used to combat corrosion and at the start of the war and initial stages of the BoB was part of the ME109 upper surface splinter pattern.

During my research I came across painting orders which stated that transport and bomber aircraft from 1934 up to 1942 had their interiors painted with either RLM41 (VMC 70989) or the darker RLM 42 (VMC 70869).

New aircraft coming off the production line from April 1942 for bomber and transport were to be painted RLM66

The painting orders do not specify which aircraft, just bomber and transport types. As the Stuka is a tactical ground support bombing aircraft one can justifiably and reasonably say that the B2 variant's interior was Either RLM 41 or RLM 42. Personally I prefer the darker RLM 42.

Saying this, there is absolutely no evidence to say that RLM 02 wasn't used as the cockpit interior colour either. I don't think there are any surviving early marks to confirm or deny my research other than the archive existence of the painting orders.

Where does this leave us?

It seems that for the early marks we could use RLM02, RLM41 or RLM 42

I would propose the theory that for bomber aircraft RLM 42 was used throughout the interior and for transports, RLM42 was used in the cockpits and the lighter RLM41 used in the after section, then in April 1942 all cockpits were painted RLM66. Maybe RLM41 was used in the cargo/passenger area of transports to make the area a bit lighter so passengers could see what they were doing.

Having recently watched the 1969 movie Battle of Britain I was struck by the fact that the Spanish heinkels used for filming, when it showed the actual cockpit interior of the aircraft the walls etc do look suspiciously like RLM 42 not RLM 02. I do know that the exterior of the aircraft were repainted for the movie and I don't know what colour the Spanish painted the interior of their aircraft during this period, but it is food for thought isn't it?

I am just sharing what I know with you all.

James

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Posted by Tom68 on Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:11 AM

Hey 68GT,

That's exactly what I'm doing today, getting my 68 Mustang started after the long cold winter.

I'm still hoping to spend a few moments getting started on by Stuka.

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:59 AM

Nice to see some good progress in here.  I've been held up by the nice weather.  

Been taking advantage of some of the long over due great weather and doing some work on my 68 Mustang.

On Ed's bench, ???

  

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:11 AM

Look forward to some pics Johan. I can't recall if that site has been linked yet, we have had some much in this GB already. But I do use that myself now and again, got some really nice stuff on there.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by JohanT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:05 AM

Hi.

Same as Mike I am happy to report that I have started Cool 
Trying to make up my mind if I want to display the engine outside the airframe or not...

Meanwhile the cockpit is about to go together.

Missing the 2 oxygen tanks that look so convincing in Mustang's build.

I just might snatch them out of a BF109 build that has not come of yet.

Or scratch something.

Here is a link to a site with loads of colour plates, maybe this has been shared before?

wp.scn.ru/.../7

Still catching up with the 500+ posts :)

Very Best Regards

Johan

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:40 AM

Mike, basically, you can load out all 5 hard points.The B-1 could carry a 500Kg bomb under the fuselage and 4 50Kg bombs under the wings. The B-2 had a max load of 1,000Kg, so in theory it could carry a bomb that size under the fuselage, but from what I can gather, this did go beyond tests as it was to close to the limit. So it to was basically limited to the same as the B-1.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:05 AM

Hi guys, I'm happy to report I've made a start this evening, with the cockpit together all but for the rim of the gunner's seat, plus one or two other small assemblies done. I'll zap the cockpit parts into 02 hopefully -- maybe -- tomorrow.

The Revell/ex-Has kit has provisions for the centreline bomb and twin wing racks, which prompts me to wonder what a standard configuration would be -- I'm not that familiar with the Stuka and will have to pull my research materials, such as they are. If all store stations would typically be filled on a general sortie, then I'll mount the lot. There's quite a few holes to open up before putting the wing together.

Cheers, M/TB379

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Posted by Nathan T on Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:40 PM

Mikey- I think I have some pics of 239. I'll get em out later in the weekend when I'm back home.

 

 

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Posted by mikeymize on Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:20 PM

Bish

No worries mikey. I am a huge Stuka fan but it was only recently I realised how they actually looked.

Good markings markings choice, nice to see an Italian one. I have an colour plate of an R-2 from that unit, not sure if its the same aircraft, the number of the tail is 7065. It has 4 ship stencils on the tail, I assume sunk ships. According to that image, the nose of the spinner is yellow not green though.

I hadn't noticed before, but Italian aircraft don't all appear to carry individual codes, I assume the 239 is for the Squadron.

 Thanks for the info Bish. I didn't even know this kit had Italian decals until I opened it. I plan on doing some research on them as I'm not very familiar with the different squadrons and groups. I'm currently reading Eddie Creek's book on the JU-87 which is fantastic but will have to look elsewhere for info on the Italian birds.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, April 5, 2014 2:02 PM

Glad you like it, those are the only ones I have got I am afraid and I had to cut that out of a larger image. I havn't been able to find a proper source for these badges, just picking them up where ever I can find them.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by JohanT on Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:34 PM

Thanks Bish,

Quite like the Kette-Badge :)

Would you have a high-res?

Very Best Regards

Johan

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, April 5, 2014 12:38 PM

No worries mikey. I am a huge Stuka fan but it was only recently I realised how they actually looked.

Good markings markings choice, nice to see an Italian one. I have an colour plate of an R-2 from that unit, not sure if its the same aircraft, the number of the tail is 7065. It has 4 ship stencils on the tail, I assume sunk ships. According to that image, the nose of the spinner is yellow not green though.

I hadn't noticed before, but Italian aircraft don't all appear to carry individual codes, I assume the 239 is for the Squadron.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Rigidrider on Saturday, April 5, 2014 12:36 PM

Thanks Guys! Good to be back with everyone building again! I now officially have a full plate, but am too weak to turn down a build with such an illustrious subject and some really great guys!

Silent Bob... I whole heartedly agree! In the past I had encountered some REALLY snooty and aloof builders that looked down there nose at you if you were'nt part of their click... (how does one become part of their click if you are'nt part of it already) and they would make you feel small and uncomfortable to be around them. I will guarantee that is not the case here. Very friendly and very helpful folks ! Welcome aboard!

Joe... Man, your just busting hump on your STUKA already! Nice work!

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Make Lemonade!

Then Sell It Back At $2 Bucks A Glass...

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Posted by mikeymize on Saturday, April 5, 2014 12:28 PM

Hey Bish, don't know why I never noticed it before, as much as I love the Stuka, but you're absolutely correct about the sirens. Funny how something like that can go unnoticed for so long. Here's my pics. I think I'm going to do the Regia Aeronautica version. Camo is the same as the Luftwaffe one but decals obviously are different. P.S. sorry about the duplicate shot. Photo bucket's fault.

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by Bish on Saturday, April 5, 2014 12:00 PM

Added you to the roster Johan. I think the G's should form the spearhead, what you reckon.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by JohanT on Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:46 AM

Hi,

Finally managed to get hold of a kit.

The Italeri 1/48 G-2 Canonbird :)

What flank should I cover?

Very Best Regards

Johan

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:01 AM

Glad to have you on board Mike. I have added you to the roster.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, April 5, 2014 6:52 AM

Bish, glad to see this GB has taken wing, I've been looking forward to it! Put me down for the Revell Germany (ex-Hasegawa) Ju 87 B-2, 1:48, in markings for Greece/Crete 1941. I expect to be building straight from the box.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, April 5, 2014 5:23 AM

Thanks Bish. I've been working on the part below the receiver and transmitter boxes to get all that up and going. I painted that and the overturn structure this morning and am waiting to weather both parts. They really pack alot of stuff into these Aires cockpits but the thing that I'm running into , and I would have run into this issue even with the Aries floor, is the overall fit of the side panels to the floor. For example the O2 bottles will contact the detail on the flooring , so trimming has to be done there. The receiver/ transmitter radios that I had painted up earlier need something to rest on instead of mounting the overturn structure to the radios and letting the whole thing "hang" between the fuselage halves and for the life of me I can't understand why Aires had the dive brake control levers mounting on top of radio on the L/H wall in the middle of the cockpit??????????? To little research there and a hard lesson to learn for the unwary modeler who has to correct that later in the build. I'll post the pics in a little while to give a little better idea of what I'm talking about.

                   

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:41 AM

Now that is very very nice.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:27 AM

Just lovin' the info that's here. We all start out, or at least most of us start out, knowing little or nothing about the subject that we are building (and I mean in depth knowledge here) and before you know it we come out experts on the subject because of all the good info back and forth. This is half of the fun here.

The other half is the build. I applied a coat of Humbrol Linen to the belts last yesterday.

After that dried I painted the buckles and weathered them...and while I was at it I also worked on the control column and all the seating.................................

 Now what sucks is that I had to remove some of that floor detail so that the sidewalls would fit without interference from the area behind the pilots seat. Don't worry , that part will be covered by the front oxygen bottle apparatus.

                   

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Posted by Bish on Friday, April 4, 2014 5:52 PM

mikey, I am not sure which of the Airfix kits your doing, but I have seen pics of one of theres with the siren mounts and others without. But the mounts were not fitted until part way through the production of the B, so it is very possible to see a B without them. And the sirens themselves were fitted by the ground crew and there are a lot lf images showing them not fitted.

That's a nice bit of info there, I hadn't come across that.

Just in case anyone is not sure how they should look, this is how they arrived from the factory, with the mount faired over. As you can se, its bombed up and ready for action, so it was clearly decided not to mount the siren.

I know quite a few kits come with them like this.

And this is with the siren fitted. 

 

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by mikeymize on Friday, April 4, 2014 5:23 PM

Hey Nathan, just had a chance to catch up with posts; this GB is extremely active! Anyhow, I'm more than likely using RLM 70/71 and 65. Pretty standard stuff I know but it's hard to improve on a classic.

Some guys were talking about the sirens early on and I noticed my plane doesn't even have the "nubs" on the gear. Apparently, some didn't, if color plates are to be believed. Also, many aircrew were not thrilled with them: "The howling sound not only distracted the enemy but also the crew". This quote from Friedrich Lang a pilot with 1./ St.G 2.

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, April 4, 2014 5:12 PM

Hey Bob. Don't know if you've used the personal messenger yet but if you see a red highlight on the work "messages" in the R/H side of the home page screen, you have a message from me.

                   

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Posted by Bish on Friday, April 4, 2014 4:48 PM

silentbob33

I have got to say, since becoming a member on this forum I have been super impressed with how helpful everyone is.  I am always blown away by the amazing work, but the tips and generosity I've seen is amazing.  I don't know that I would believe someone if they would have told me how great the people here are.

Its just how we lure people in Wink

You will find a lot of people here who if they have parts sitting in the spares box will happily send them on to others. And what goes around comes around. There will be a day when you have some spares that someone might need.

That's what's good about this place, its not a competition but rather a group where people try and help each other as best they can.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by silentbob33 on Friday, April 4, 2014 4:42 PM

I have got to say, since becoming a member on this forum I have been super impressed with how helpful everyone is.  I am always blown away by the amazing work, but the tips and generosity I've seen is amazing.  I don't know that I would believe someone if they would have told me how great the people here are.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, April 4, 2014 4:33 PM

I was going to suggest an Aires set of 48th German aircraft radio's, but seeing as Mustang has come to the rescue, It will save you the hassle. Nice one Mustang.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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