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2015 Messerschmitt Bf 109 Group Build

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Posted by BrandonK on Friday, March 6, 2015 11:03 PM

Fightnjoe,

Exquisite and crushingly nice work. I am in awe. WOW !!!

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A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

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Posted by Rigidrider on Friday, March 6, 2015 8:18 PM

Guys... I am in a state of serious awe! There is talent in the extreme being exhibited here! Where does one start? There is not a build here that doesn't deserve a write up in the mag... Please FSM... Take note!. Bravo, one and all!!!

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Posted by fightnjoe on Friday, March 6, 2015 8:07 PM

Still working on the phototaking but decals are now on.  

Beware, these decals were very difficult to work with.  They did not want to come off the backing and tore and shattered at times.  Kind of surprised that I did not destroy any of them.   They did not settle down until after many applications of Micro Sol.  

Next up will be another coat of future and then some weathering.

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All comments, critiques, and criticism are encouraged.



Joe

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Friday, March 6, 2015 2:27 PM

Joe,

your build is looking good to me.  Think that the wings look about right, but I havent compaired your picture to the line drawings that I have, but at first glance it looks about right.  Like the way that you were able to preshade the yellow nose, I have not been able to get that down yet.  I end up graduating the tone through multiple applications of the yellow on each panel and then get the depth through washes, etc. at the end.

Keep up the work and thanks for sharing!

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, March 6, 2015 7:38 AM

Looks good Lawdog. If you're worried about the soft panel lines, why not take a scriber and just deepen them a bit? I find I have to do that with older Hasegawa kits from time to time.

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, March 6, 2015 12:56 AM

Joe -- marvellous work, if that kit is a turkey it sure doesn't show the way you've handled it. The dihedral looks pretty close to right to me, the 109 had a lot, and the wingtip effect you mention I think is an optical illusion. It's coming along great!

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Posted by BrandonD on Friday, March 6, 2015 12:07 AM

Joe - Great start on that. I almost bought that kit, but figured I'd wait to see what the other ones in this build come out like. I'll be interested to know about the panel lines holding a wash. Wish I could have an opinion on the dihedral, though I don't see where the wing tips curl up. Then again, I've been up way too long today.

Thank you everyone for the nice words on my Emil. It is easily the best job I've done, and yes, Mustang, I have an Eduard E-7 Tropical I started last night Whistling. Might have to build it to show off the engine.

As for the photo, how about the second one?

Thanks again, all.

-BD-

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Posted by lawdog114 on Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:38 PM

I'm finally in this bad boy!   I admit, as a 1/48 Hasegawa 109 series fan, I was (and perhaps still am) skeptical that the Zveda 109 kit is really "better".  After reading the reviews and seeing Wingnut's F-4, curiousity got the best of me so I decided to give it a whirl (kicking and screaming of course).  This WIP will be objective and I intend to compare the two when appropriate.  As a disclaimer, here's week worth of work so don't think I'm really this fast.  So grab a sandwich you may be here awhile....

Following the lead of others who have built this turkey,  I decided to get the Quickboost exhausts and I grabbed the Eduard PE set for cockpit as well.  I decided to pass on the Vector set because it just didn't seem worth it to me.  Besides, I think the spinner is nice and should hold a wash, perhaps even better than Hasegawa's example.  

I started with the engine and assembled it per the instructions for the "In-flight" version since my example will be closed up.  Perhaps it was me, but I found them extremely confusing.  I only added what was necessary then added the QB exhaust stubs.  I had no issues.  (My joy would be short lived...)

I set this aside then turned to the cockpit.  I thought the detail here was better than Hasegawa's example.  I painted it XF-63 German Grey cut with XF-19 Light Grey to represent RLM 66.  I added some of the PE, primarily the seat belts, pedals and the IP to spruce it up a bit.  The separate fuel line Zveda provided had me scratching my head, as I broke mine trying to remove it from the sprue.  Why not mold it to the starboard sidewall?  Oh well, it looked good once fixed, painted and installed.  I would have to attach the shoulder seat belts after the fuselage was assembled as the piece these attach to gets added after its closed up.  No biggie just different. 

I had a heck of a time getting the nose to close up.  My Eduard Fw 190 Dora flashbacks started coming on quick like an old fashioned newsreel.  I kept removing things from the top of the engine until I was able to close everything up.  I still don't like the way it looks.  It was at this point I started checking E-bay for a cheap Hasegawa F-2. I'm sorry, these types of kits just don't interest me.......I like things closed up to preserve the classic lines.  I then began to notice that the panel lines were petite...perhaps too petite.  I am concerned they won't hold a wash.  I guess we'll see.  There are no panel lines on the upper wings?.....strange   I then read that some Fs didn't have them, so I didn't scribe them in.  I do however like how all the control surfaces are posable, so I was a bit creative.  I must say I like the tail planes deflected down.  I may start cutting and poing all of them out from now on...

I also added the seamline on the intake with styrene rod.  I've read the intake is inaccurate but I don't really care.  It looks close enough to me.

The JG 26 kite I was building had a yellow nose.  After a preshade of the panels, I painted that.  I added a touch of XF-7 Flat Red to the XF-3 Flat Yellow...

Next I taped off the yellow and sprayed the wheel bays Gunze RLM 02.  These are nicely detailed and way better than Hasegawa's version.  The canvas covers are even present.  I then started on the RLM 76.  I used what I had left over from Hackl's G-6.  After a light postshade, here we are. 

Next I added the RLM 74 and 75 with Gunze Aqueous.  I used a typical upper wing camo pattern which may or may not be correct.  The condensation streaks were added for some subtle weathering.

   

Ok, I need some opinions here............does this dihedral look correct?  To my eye, compared to Hasegawa kits, the angle is too much of a "V".  Also, on my example, the wing tips seem to curl up slightly which I know is wrong.  Perhaps my eyes are playing tricks on me...       

Thats where I left off....

Joe 

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by fightnjoe on Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:00 PM

Let me say a humble thank you to all for the kind words.  Coming from the talented individuals here it means alot.

Brandon most impressive work.  

Matt I cannot put into words how impressed I am with that paintwork.  

SS if you mean me it was simply drawing on the main cammo lines with a pencil and then the main colors trying to keep out of the panel lines, a lighter shade of the colors to get some highlights, and a highly thinned mist to try to blend it.  I still need to blend it a bit more in spots.

Joe

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Posted by lawdog114 on Thursday, March 5, 2015 7:51 PM

Clemens:  Cool pics of Barkhorn's 109.  Cool scheme too.  I just have very little interest in the Eastern front.  I'm not sure why.  

Howard:  Looking great man.  Incredible detail in that cockpit.  I never thought of your gear bay painting trick.  I'm going to try it...

Fightnjoe:  I'm getting redundant.  Your work is very humbling.    

Brandon:  Beautiful Emil my friend.  Yeah, that Flory can be troublesome on flat surfaces.  The clay gets stuck in the rough surface.  I sometimes have issues with it at my wing roots and such because my gloss sometimes pebbles there.  You may be the first person I've ever seen use Techmod successfully.  Those are generally garbage (in my experience)........again, nice tribute to Galland....

Matt:  Beauty work on a challenging scheme.  Your airbrush control is most impressive...

Meanwhile, I've been plugging away on the F-2, I'll post the WIP shortly...

Joe

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Thursday, March 5, 2015 6:03 PM

BrandonD

Wow, Blkhwkmatt - that looks great! Those painted markings sound frustrating, but the payoff is totally worth it when you look at it. Really, really nice job!

-BD-

BD,

They are more time consuming than anything.  You really need a good cutting surface (I used a mirror) and a sharp blade, and a good straight edge.  Once you have a good template it goes a bit faster.

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, March 5, 2015 2:51 PM

Jay: Looking good! I really like the look of that MDC cockpit. Some very nice work on all those rivets too!

Joe: She keeps looking better each update! I love the amount of details you packed in there! Also, mind telling me how you painted the exterior? That's a lovely effect you achieved there.

Matt: Your F-4 is coming along nicely too! That camo pattern sure is something else and you absolutely nailed it!

Brandon: Wait, what? That's your first airbrushed camo attempt? Never would've guessed. She looks fantastic!

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Thursday, March 5, 2015 2:14 PM

BD-

That is a great, clean solid build.  Thanks for sharing! Love those Tamiya 1/48 scale birds!!

<Matt

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:14 AM

Matt and Brandon. I'm speechless. And that doesn't happen often.  Stunning work.

 

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, March 5, 2015 10:41 AM

Great work, Brandon and Matt! Both are wonderful representatives of the vaunted 109!

Joe... "Ol Doug" ( I like that, lolol) will be starting his second soon... must build 109s...quickly!!!

Doug

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:20 AM

Matt: That paint job looks so wicked I can't even think of a word to describe it!! You and ol' Doug have that type of camo down to an art it seems! Way ta go!!!

Brandon: I really like how this one turned out!!! The paint work and weathering are spot on man! I'm gonna have a high bar to reach when I start building in here (which should be fairly soon folks). Let me know which picture you would like to see in the intro and I'll get it there. Do you....possibly have another build in the works????

                   

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, March 5, 2015 12:57 AM

Marvellous! Really good! :-) You can be proud of that one!!!

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Posted by BrandonD on Thursday, March 5, 2015 12:47 AM

...aaaaand Galland's Bf-109 is complete!

The kit is the 1:48 Tamiya, and I used Techmod decals for the markings. Bf-109 nuts will notice three inaccuracies that I'm aware of, but I really enjoyed this kit, and it's the first camouflage scheme I've airbrushed. Can't wait to do more!

This is a JG-26 aircraft, and I wanted to build it after reading the book :JG26: Top Guns of the Luftwaffe," which was very well-researched, and Galland wrote the intro. Hence his plane.

I'd probably like to use the second photo in the gallery - thanks!

-BD-

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, March 5, 2015 12:05 AM

WOW matt, that's seriously nice work. Not seen that scheme before, very different. I like it.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, March 5, 2015 12:04 AM

BD, really nice work there, you have done a lovely job on the scheme.

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Posted by BrandonD on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:42 PM

Wow, Blkhwkmatt - that looks great! Those painted markings sound frustrating, but the payoff is totally worth it when you look at it. Really, really nice job!

-BD-

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:59 PM

Seriously stunning! And to mask the crosses from scratch is even more impressive! Double thumbs up!

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:55 PM
Here it sits with the camo completed, ready for a gloss coat and some decals. I used Tamiya brown paint with Tamiya lacquer thinner (first time trying that, stopped some of the tip dry, but not all). I will be adding the Aries resin wheels to this as well. I also noticed that the canopy is molded incorrect, in that it looks more like the G canopy with the middle bar being molded thick, am currently trying to find a replacement (just for the middle part).

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:48 PM
TB379 - Wish that I had the Montex (or any other masks really), but no this was done the hard way. I traced the outlines of the markings onto tracing paper, using the decals as a template, then traced them onto Tamiya 10mm tape and cut carefully. I painted the white first, masked the appropriate areas then painted the black. All told I think that it took the better part of 4 hours or so. Next time I will buy the masks to make things easier.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:39 PM

Blkhwkmatt -- FANTASTIC, that's all I can say! brilliant building, prep and painting, and I LOVE the sprayed markings! Did you use Montex masks???

Woohoo!!!

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:25 PM
OK folks, here are some pictures that show the progress of the F-4 that I am building. This is the trumpeter kit in 1/32 scale and really went together fairly easy. Really the only area of concern is the engine panels, just like on most every other 109 kit out there. A bit of Tamiya extra thin glue, pressure and time got them to where I though they were acceptable. Here is a few pics of the bird all closed up.   You will notice the small surgery on vents in these pics. The 109 F did not have them, but the G did. I cut them off carefully, saving one, then filled with putty and Mr. Surfacer 1000 and sanded smooth.  The one that was saved was added just aft of the opening for the crank start shaft on the right side. Not exactly the correct shape, but much better than nothing.   After priming with Mr. Surfacer 500 and a bit of sanding, and seeing Lawdog's sweet painted markings, I felt bold enough to attempt the markings on this bird. Here is what I finished up with.     Think next time it will be late war markings as they are less intricate. Masked markings and pre-shading done:  Bottom with first coat of RLM 76 applied:  The scheme that I am going for on this one. Bird was stationed in Katwijk, Nederlands in Sept of 41. Story goes that it was painted with either field mixed RLM colors or, more likely, captured paints, but they were unsure.   Base color applied, a mix of a few RLM colors to get close to the pics, with RLM 76 for the light lines. Went through a ton of tip dry and frustration, but in the end it isn't too bad, small mistakes here and there, but I will fix them.    Have more pictures, just need to upload them to the bucket. Thanks for looking.

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:22 PM

70gtvert

I replicated the wheel well liner by finding a good color picture of one on the restored 109's pictures you find online and used photoshop to make it fit in the wheelwells of whatever scale I was using. The liners  on the E series are different from the F series so you need to look at the different versions and see what you need. Once done i used my printer to make decals that I then put in the wheelwells.

Very true, and then they changed again with the G and K.  And then there were variations by airframe, depending on the time, location and individual unit practices.  I do have the PE set for my G-14 that has the laced sidewalls and the correct depiction of the strut area (with the lightening holes in the metal) so once I get to that one, I will be adding all that detail.

I really enjoy being a part of a lively and fun group build like this one and the Fw-190 build was. 

 

Thanks for all the great information and the amaxing builds!

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by 70gtvert on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 1:21 PM

I replicated the wheel well liner by finding a good color picture of one on the restored 109's pictures you find online and used photoshop to make it fit in the wheelwells of whatever scale I was using. The liners  on the E series are different from the F series so you need to look at the different versions and see what you need. Once done i used my printer to make decals that I then put in the wheelwells.

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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 1:05 PM

I do recall Eduards instructions for the E-3 calling for aluminium wells with the sides being painted tyre black.  Thought that it was a bit odd, but went with it just to add some more color to the build.  Will see if I took a picture of it on my kit.

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur!!! - Anything said in Latin sounds profound!

 

 

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Posted by Tucohoward on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:57 AM

Very nice work Brandon. I always paint the wheel bays last. Just tape over the whole bay and then trim the tape along the edge of the bay with sharp blade. I do all my washes on a flat coat although I use oil washes. I like doing it on a flat coat because some of it stains the paint a little. On a gloss coat everything just wipes off. I use the old Francois Verlinden method.

Jay

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