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Posted by Rob S. on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:59 AM

Lovin' it stik...superb attention to detail...great build, congrats!! YesCoolYes

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:39 AM

Those MV lenses look great stik. I have tried to get some at my LHS but their selection is very slim. I thought you were going for the old Hobby Lobby stones for the light bulb trick. It's amazing what some tinkering will do to improve an ancient model. That is one of the reasons I'm still wrestling with my 1976 Monogram Mustang. Your Typhoon really looks amazing and a well deserved pat on the back is in order. :hail:

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:25 AM

Rob and PJ, thanks for your kind words,

PJ, those are indeed the Hobby Lobby gemstones that I used in there. I lost a couple during installation- one dropped into the wing and would not come back out while another was launched by my tweezers to Lord knows where... good thing they came in such a large amount. if that had been a lost MV lens I would still be looking for it and not yet have completed this build... LOL!

 

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Posted by AndrewW on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:43 PM

Looking really nice Stick.  I love the landing gear staining,  and the way that fuselage band stands out under the matte coat, beautiful.  Very nicely done panel lines.  Those lamps in the wings, well worth the effort!  The result is perfect.

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Posted by BrandonK on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:42 PM

Stik, nice work on the Typhoon. I need to add one to my stash now, thanks alot!

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Posted by Rigidrider on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:47 PM

Brother, I do like a Typhoon! Great finish Stick!

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:24 PM

Many thanks for the compliments guys! This is certainly a kit that I recommend that you add to your 1/48 air force collections! Not bad for its' age at all.

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 7:36 PM



OK: we will call the Tamiya M-8 Greyhound a wrap. I'll do a proper build log for the armor section, but let me tell you briefly what I was trying to do. I'm thinking of maybe February 1945 somewhere close to the Rhine. There were nasty winters during WWII and lots of snow over much of the front - as pictures from the Bulge should make clear. But France has tons of water (rain, snow, streams, marshes - you name it), extremely fertile soil and I'm guessing that when the thaw began that there would have been a lot of mud. You also would probably seen the first bits of new foliage when there was still some snow present. (On May 1 in Minnesota last year there was a cold snap and late snow. A week later the snow was gone and the leaves were blooming - nature in overdrive. Anyone who lives with winters will know what I'm getting at.) US AFVs, like everyone's, were given a coat of whitewash when the snow was there. Looks like it was a field modification - I've seen films of crewmen slopping the stuff on with a big brush. That tells me that the stuff was water based - might even have been applied as often as needed. I'm also guessing that the whitewash would have worn off and unevenly. With sleet and rain that would have created a lot of streaking. My Minnesota car gets very dirty very fast during the thaw and it never leaves paved roads. The M8, although a 6X6, was too heavy to be a good off-roader. Recon units preferred the jeeps for cross country stuff. But Greyhounds would still have often left the roads and found the mud. Also, in 1945 France there would have been hundreds of miles of unpaved roads. I think in the best of conditions AFVs at the front were very untidy - one in the thaw would have been covered with dirt and mud - and you can bet the crew didn't wipe off their boots when getting in and out. I was a little uncertain about the chains on the wheels (courtesy of Verlinden). As I found out the hard way, chains on pavement at highway speed can come off very quickly. But I'd guess it was rare for a M-8 to move over 20mph. (I once talked with one of Patton's tankers at the Bulge and he said that if you were in a combat zone you moved forward in "baby steps." I bet.) Also, if an army moved 40 miles in a day in WWII it was really moving. Between the slow down of the allied advance in September 44 and the dramatic breakout after the Rhine crossings in March 45 fighting was hard and movement slow.  As noted earlier in the thread, I wanted the wheels with chains because it was a perfect excuse to dispense with the wheel guards which made the thing look like an old Mercury or Hudson. Also suggests the mud and dirt found in great abundance on both ends of the ETO. The kit comes with a pretty accurate rendition of the very simple interior in the M-8, so I left the hatches open. The interior is dirty too.

Should note that I used a new product: MIG European Wet Mud - Fine Texture. It is on the wheels and on part of the base (on the base it's covered by Woodland Scenics "Realistic Water" which is very good). It's very neat stuff - it's very dense and very dark. It costs $6 and you can make mud for a lot less pretty well. But I was impressed. I'm not using plaster in my mud any more because it's hard to keep the colors right - Golden mediums dry clear and work better. But this stuff looks like mud - it's better than anything I could do. There are several varieties.

So in my terms this model has very heavy weathering. I did several filters and washes with either Vallejo acrylic washes or Iwata Com.Art paints. The whitewash was mostly Com.Art opaque white which comes off very easily. I did some Mike Rinaldi "reverse dry brushing" during the base paint stage (that would be Vallejo Model Air olive drab over Model Color black gray) to start with an uneven finish. I did some chipping - mostly with black gray with a sponge - with Vallejo acrylics. It's not easy to pick out because of the faded whitewash and some serious streaking with AK "streaking grime." In general I don't do a lot of chipping on US vehicles because Detroit knew how to make a tough paint job. Except for the exhaust - which is hard to see - there is no rust. (It may be that Tamiya cast the hull a little thick - judging from some photos the hull was easily dented.)

I used an Academy accessory collection for the stowage - minus the netting left over from my Cromwell project. Next time for sure - think that I could make some good stuff with apoxie sculpt and modeling paste - but this project ate too much time as it was. I threw together a simple base to hopefully give the overall untidiness a little emphasis.

I'd like some honest opinions here. There are many times when my hand lets down what I have in mind's eye. In this case, I made almost exactly what I wanted. So I can't blame my average modeling skills. I hope it worked. More pics below:

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:21 PM

Overall I'd say it looks the part. Especially what you say you were trying to convey for the appearance. For an honest critique I will call a few small gigs that I noticed: the jerry can on the engine deck is missing the carry handles and filler cap (I hope you have those things in your spares bin); the turret .50 has a noticeable mold seam line across the top of the receiver, you can easily clean that up and touch up the paint afterwards... I would also suggest adding a divot to the bore using a pin; the interior of the turret, i believe that should be OD as was standard on open topped US AFVs, and not white...

But having spend a couple of winters in the Army in Europe, you certainly captured the look you explained regarding the terrain and climate... The winter of 1944/45 in Northwest Europe was supposed to have been one of the coldest and wettest on record, IIRC.

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 2:10 AM

My eye for detail isn't  the best. I once put  MG magazine in the wrong side of the gun mounted on a Sherman. I'll probably fix it per your advice because I haven't done a build log yet. But detail in my world is only for photos. The kit will be on display in my den - where there is almost no room and it only has to pass the six feet away test - which it will. (I've got one place for my last model, but when the M-8 gets moved, I'll discard the base. In about a year it'll be headed for the airgun range.) There were some color diagrams of the Greyhound online and a YouTube video of a restored vehicle that you can ride in for a small fee. Why not - it's only an elaborate truck. Anyway, it sure looks that the interior was off-white (Tamiya's instructions call for it). The feed for the gun was OD and the gun itself dull metallic gray, but the interior was white. But if the weathering worked, I'll consider the result okay.  

 

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Posted by Rob S. on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:52 AM

'That' is one war-weary M-8 Eric!! Wicked.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:37 AM

I was only referring to the turret interior sidewalls being OD. Everything below the hull top deck is gonna be white on the interior, with the possible exception of the floorboard beneath the turret. I am not too keen on trusting restored vehicles for color reference because you never know how closely the new owner restored the vehicle to original specs.

As far as a .50 goes, that is not unforgiveable to put the ammo can on the opposite side. The feed mechanism can be reversed on the actual Ma Deuce. You just have to swap the charging handle side as well.

Anyways, your M8 is a very nicely done build and will surely look good on your collection shelves... sad to think of it becoming an air gun target one day though... very sad...

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:45 AM

Eric - that definitely has the looks of a worn vehicle, truly the opposite of pristine.

I'm not sure about the ground, I know mud appears darker when wet, but to me looks like there is two different soil types presented here, but maybe your references say differently?  

On the vehicle I'm seeing two distinct greens, but I don't think this was a two toned scheme?

regards,

Jack

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:40 PM

Stik proved right about the matters of detail and the OD inside the turret. You can see some of the repairs on one of the photos above.

Found another photo of a "distressed" M8 from 1945 - I do strongly believe that AFVs that campaigned during a thaw would have been covered with dirt, mud and dust. I do weather my models a little more and a little differently than is the norm, but I've done this after staring at hundreds of photos - most in b/w - and trying to figure out how to emulate the effect. Not to everyone's taste. My first DML kit was a Brit "El Alamein" Sherman. Those tanks were almost new and I did very little chipping, but I gave the kit a serious dusting (dry pigments mixed with ISP) at the end. And I got criticized for over weathering. That kind of surprised me because any tank operating in a dry season would have been covered with dust - and this tank was in the desert. IMO films (especially the very good color stuff used by US photographers) is invaluable for seeing what things looked like. For instance, any US warship operating in the PTO in 1944-45, especially after the man made harbors were constructed, showed a lot of wear. Ship modelers are an orderly lot and they don't weather very much - and I think in many cases they're wrong. Check out some of the late war color newsreels on an ETO P-47 group in 1945 on YouTube - those planes were dented, some still in a very faded OD and all showed very noticeable wear. (What would one expect with a radial engine?)

I'll probably redo the photos for the build log. There is not two tones of green. The vehicle was given an initial coat of OD - then came three filters, pin washes, a load of white paint for the whitewash which has eroded in an irregular manner. One thing I didn't mention was that I didn't put whitewash over the insignias or numbers - and those areas do look more OD. But the filters and the whitewash, plus sponge chipping and some serious streaking created a lot of colors - which is what I wanted. (I once went in pursuit of the perfect early Zero gray/green/amber color. I had a photo of one being restored carrying what Nick Millman - Zero color meister - thought was accurate. I put the photo into a color editor from Corel and ran the mouse over the photos to get RGB ratings - the numbers were all over the map. The plane was new but the variations showed what shadowing does to color perception in the eye. Indeed, I get a little impatient when modelers talk about filters "pulling colors together" - in my eyes they add chromatic variety that natural lighting would do on any large object.

There was however one factor at work that I should have caught. My camera for a "point and shoot" is very good, but I don't have a clue how to use all of the features. When you're dealing with earth tones or grays it's easy for the camera to distort the colors especially in macro mode. So yes, some of the photos show a kind of yellow green. I suspect some of that came from the base, the netting and the mines that I painted yellow on the thinner portion. Anyway, if you check the post I made yesterday, the last two photos of the full tank and all of the front/rear or details show the colors as they look in person better than the earlier ones. As far as the mud goes, I've spent a lot of my life driving in rural Minnesota and after a good rain you'll get mud puddles all over dirt  roads. And depending on the area, the colors of the soil could vary quite a bit depending upon whether the road was graded, there were rolling hills in nearby farmland, or whether marsh came close to the road. I suppose I should have added a small depression for the mud puddles, but it wouldn't have been worth the time. I think the base is okay.

Eric

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:00 PM

Very nice M8. The weathering looks spot on.

There may be hope after all. I shot the Mustang with Mr. Surfacer 1000 and found a couple of spots that needed more work then shot some more Mr. Surfacer and it looks ok. I used a 3200 pad to sand the model down.

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One thing though. I used a brand new Badger 155 Anthem with a medium tip and the first time it worked fine. The second time the AB was pulsating. Have cleaned it and checked it for proper tip fit and is till pulsating. I have 2 other Badgers and I cleaned this one as I always clean my other two. One of them is over 30 years old. The needle bearing may be the problem but this is a brand new ab. I wonder if the Mr. Surfacer did something to it?

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:52 PM

Not sure what tip your new Badger has, but unless you thinned it seriously Surfacer 1000 is  too viscous to airbrush easily. I'd say Surfacer 1200 needs serious thinning unless your tip is about .5mm. You could have a bogus brush, but they're pretty simple creatures and Badger is considered a rugged and reliable brush. (I don't have one but I do have 2 from Paasche - same kind of deal.) Badger is a big company and I'd guess they'll give you good customer support. If Mr. Surfacer was the culprit you may have to strip the brush and clean all of the components - and obviously with lacquer thinner. A lot of modelers don't watch for it but paint build up can impact the trigger mechanism - a place I clean every few months. Best of luck - AB problems can wreck your day.

BTW - you might consider a gadget I stumbled on in eBay. It's is a Harder Steenbeck nozzle cleaning tool for $5 including shipping. It's a knock-off of some kind (HS same tool is $25 but is identical) but that means it's designed to clean tips as fine as .15mm. Anything bigger will be a piece of cake. It is sharp and flat - perfect for getting small collections of gunk out of a nozzle. Here's what it looks like:

Eric

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:17 AM

Thanks Eric for your feedback. Mr. Surfacer was heavily thinned with LT and sprayed just fine the first time. It went on velvety smooth and even. I can see why some of you guys like this stuff so much. After using the 3200 pad the surface was smooth as glass and ideal for Alclad application.

I broke down everything and cleaned it with as I always do using LT and re assembled it. I have a miniature brush cleaning set from Harbor Freight that gets just about everywhere in the AB. I have a very thin and sharp toothpick that I honed down to like a thin needle and use it for tip cleaning and reaming after being in LT for a few minutes to soften up junk

Now, even water will pulse out of it. I know Badger has an excellent repair/customer service but just trying to troubleshoot the issue before sending it them. I have two other Badgers, one being over 30 years old and have never had a problem with it except the usual tip and needle replacement.  

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:18 AM

I replaced the needle bearing and is working fine now so I highly suspect Mr. Surfacer in causing the damage to the Teflon bearing. I will not run it thru my AB again.

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Posted by greentracker98 on Monday, February 23, 2015 4:13 PM

 I need to change my 1945 project. A diorama called "Fraternization" in 1:35 scale.

 It's 2 GIs a jeep and 2 Fräuleins

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, February 23, 2015 8:09 PM

Ok Ken, your build selection has been updated on the roster.

 

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N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by greentracker98 on Tuesday, February 24, 2015 2:46 PM

stikpusher

Ok Ken, your build selection has been updated on the roster.

Thanks Stik

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:29 PM

Bish and Stick,

Well it's y'all s turn. I'm starting the Indy tonight. Here's a pic of the bagged parts, and while I'm not installing any PE, I am going to populate the decks with wee little PE sailors. While they are flat and 2D, I'm going to apply a touch of white glue to add a little depth. I also plan on displaying it in heavy seas, and 1945 measure 22 paint referencing the "Camouflage Instructions - Carriers, Cruisers, Destroyers, Destroyer Escorts, Assigned to the Pacific Fleet." C-S19-7(631) of 26 February, 1945.).

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:23 AM

I am looking forward to this one MC. I love a good ship project!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by AndrewW on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:08 PM

Since I've gotten home from visiting with my girlfriend's (now late) mother, I've got a bit of painting done.  I managed to get most of my RLM 71 laid in, and started with the RLM 70 splinter. 

I've yet to do anything about ordering up the vaccuform canopy, but I have some time yet to do that.  I'm doing the paint in spots, and I still have to shoot 71 on the port stabilizer and rudder face.  I find doing the 70 in pieces makes the masking a little less daunting.  I've also shot my hakencruz on the starboard side and the upper wing balkencruz.  I think today will be the splinter over the port wing and forward fuselage, and probably the rest of the 71 around the tail.

As I paint, I shade each layer of paint separately, so seeing that the highlights and shadows match up between the 70 and 71 has me a little relieved. 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:28 PM

Look forward to seeing that one ken.

Nice to see you underway Steve, I am getting rather fond of seeing all these ships.

Looking good there Andrew, really looking forward to seeing this done.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:49 AM

I have the hull together and the deck on. Tonight I'll spray the deck color, according to the 1945 Measure 22 stats "Apply Deck Gray (20) to decks and other horizontal surfaces exposed to weather.".
I am pleased with the look and the fit of the kit so far. It has been outstanding. 


 Steve


Ship camouflage 1941 - 1945


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Posted by Bish on Thursday, February 26, 2015 12:33 PM

Nice start Steve.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, February 26, 2015 12:58 PM

Andrew, your Stuka just keeps looking better and better as you near the finish!

Steve, that is a very sleek looking hull! Now get some paint on her!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by PANZERJAGER on Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:21 PM

Bish,

Count me in with a 1/35 Meng A-34 Tortoise super-heavy assault gun.

PANZERJAGER

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:56 PM

First the T28 and now the Tortoise? Oh my!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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