Mustang Build

I gotta start keeping lead foil..always forget!

I never buy lead foil.....I go raid the local re-cycling bins and get the lead foil off the wine bottle tops LOL

Then I paint the foil ,cut strips and stick them on....simple and best of all it's free :-)

Theuns

Nice work on the flaps Steve.  I'm really starting to get into my mustang build I'll have some pictures of the Merlin posted soon.  Interior paint can drive you nuts.  So far I feel safe painting the cockpit from the firewall to the back of the canopy is interior green.  

John

Theuns,

That office is looking good. Nice work on the belts. I can never get them right scratching.

Sorry I missed your post. We must have been posting at the same time and I just missed it.

Theuns

The light was not good for pix, but here is my Stang's office. I just addesd lead foil straps.

Theuns

Goldhammer,

That might just work. Like trying to simulate chipped paint, there's nothing like really chipping it to make it look real.

Radial-  I don't know what their summer hours will be but now they are open Thurs thru Sunday, 9-5.  Also an air show in August each year.

MC-  might try a very small dowel or pencil eraser with some rubbing compound on some alum or alclad paint for the "overlap swirls".  If you are referring to what I think you are it is called engine turning.  Just a little compound and make a couple of circles in one spot with it.

goldhammer

 I am stopping by the Erickson Collection in Madras on the 13th of March,

That's fantastic, I hope you can get the cockpit and other point of interest.
I would like to spend some camera time under the hood as well, but I would probably need to own one, or know someone who does for that.

Theuns,

Do you know a way to simulate that swirly pattern? The stressed skin effect is actually quite involved, which I'm just nuts enough to try on this bird. stressed skin

Goldhammer.... I will be very interested in what you find in Madras. We have trout fished on the Deschutes there for nearly 30 years. Will be there again this year end of July for a few days in our RV.

Steve-  I am stopping by the Erickson Collection in Madras on the 13th of March, and planning on getting pics of everything I can.  They have a B17G, P38, F4F, F4U, P51D, P47D supposedly the only airworthy Oscar, an SBD (I think) and several others.  Planning on at least 2 - 4 gig chips and a box of batteries.  If possible will get what I can on the horse.

Google Madras Maiden (the old Chucky) and Erickson Aircraft Collection.  This is what he had of his own in the Tillamook Blimp Hanger and moved to central Oregon last year.

OK, fellow Mustang builders I am need of a little help. I am looking for 2 Aero products propellers for my Twin Mustang. If anyone is building the Tamiya F-51 the prop blades are included in the kit. I am willing to pay postage if anyone has them. Or if anyone knows of an aftermarket source that would work as well. Thanks for your time on this.

Thanks for the welcome gentlemen. Plans are now to be there the 22nd and 23rd of April. I will make every effort to get over to Robins AFB too. We should have the time.

Bob

Radial9

consider it done unless something goes a-muck. Looking at your Beoing Build too

Thanks, when were you planing on going to the museum?

I will put up the Boeing Build feeler/reminder the first of May and I'll start a sign-up sheet at that time. By a rough count, I must have 10 to 12 interested parties with just the mention of it. It should be epic if the interest continues to grow.

Radial

Welcome aboard. Hey if you could take lots of pictures and post some here. I have gone by there several times and never had the time to stop in. I heard of a two-day model show hosted on the property and as a contestant you get to sleep amongst the displays. I don't know if they still do that. They also have a huge B-48 on the side facing I95. If you have a chance drop by Robins AFB which is not too far away. Robins has a fantastic museum too and it's free.

Thanks Steve.... consider it done unless something goes a-muck. Looking at your Beoing Build too. I have a B25J in the closet with all the goodies (including a nice sporting set of fun jugs for the nose) for my grandsons bedroom ceiling. Mom's gunna love it!

Radial9

Posting to see if I might join the Mustang GB. I should have my first GB done, a Bf109 F4 Trop in 4 to 6 weeks (with some patience and luck) and wish to follow on with a Mustang. I already have a Tamiya 1/48 P-51D Mustang 8th AF and PE sheet here in anticipation of the next build. I have been following the thread with keen interest. As fate would have it I'll be spending a few days at the 8th AF museum

I got you down my friend, and welcome to the light side of the Force.

It would be awesome to get some pics of a Pony. You probably can't get inside the cockpit, however if possible, some pics of the floor and seat/belts would be great. I've looked everywhere and I can find a 1000 pictures of the instrument panel (I just learned they call them "IP"  here in the forums), but everyone seems to neglect the seat and floor. The production Pony's cockpit floor was wood, or at least plywood covered.
Also some detail of the stabilizer/elevator, tail fin/rudder, flaps (if extended), and ailerons.

I will be going to the Smithsonian in the fall, if everything works out, but that will be too late for this particular build of mine.

Steve

Posting to see if I might join the Mustang GB. I should have my first GB done, a Bf109 F4 Trop in 4 to 6 weeks (with some patience and luck) and wish to follow on with a Mustang. I already have a Tamiya 1/48 P-51D Mustang 8th AF and PE sheet here in anticipation of the next build. I have been following the thread with keen interest. As fate would have it I'll be spending a few days at the 8th AF museum in GA in late April. Thanks!!

MC

Great job on that flap scratch building. Here is a great site and a picture that shows the Mustang's flap details and even the painted puttied wing details: www.cybermodeler.com/.../flaps1.shtml

As for the engine details, don't fret none and just use gizmology   to add details. Cody gave you some pretty detailed pictures to help out. The main thing is to just add things in there and busy up the engine compartment.

Thumbs Up all the way guys!  

Theuns-  Excellent interior!

Steve-  Glad to see your build is really taking off there!  Looking good my friend!  My Uncle has been renovating his house and that's been his priority above models.  The guy has a collection of 450+ so its driving him crazy not being able to at least build something! LOL   Hope you have a quick and easy sale man!

As far as your engine pic dilema I have to say...  you are right slim pickins.  I dunno if this will is any help...

Try Here:  Rich Palmer's Mustang Restoration  Full restoration pics.  Over 1800 of them!!!  I linked you to the engine section though.  

The "PIC1, 2, 3" links are not as good but may be ok for some ideas.

PIC1

PIC2

PIC3

Well, I'm moving very slow here. We are getting the house ready to put on the market, so I'm doing more work on the house than the build.
I received everything except the decals "Moonbeam McSwine" with the 352nd Fighter Group, 487th Fighter Squadron. One of the "Blue Nosed Bastards of Bodney"
I started with cutting the flaps out to show them extended. There are some modifications needed here. The 51's flaps tucked under the wing fillet when retracted so I will have to scratch that little piece to fill where I cut it out. Also I needed to at the leading edge of the flap which shows while in the extended position. I need to thin the plastic some to simulate the wing skin and a few more items need to be done. Most of the major stuff has been completed and the rest can be done after the wings are attached.
The flap is obviously taped on to simulate were it will sit.
This my first real attempt at scratch building.

 

 
I will also be scratching some detail for the Packard Merlin. Although there are thousands of pictures of the engine, 99% are of no help. What I really need is a good picture of the rear of the engine including the firewall tank, (oil?) and the plumbing and linkages. Hard to find a good, clear detailed picture under the bonnet, of a non-racing pony.

Steve

MC

The fuselage and tail feathers were NMF except the rudder which was canvass covered and doped then painted silver. The flaps, ailerons and gear doors were NMF.

Groot

I replaced the needle bearing and is working fine now so I highly suspect Mr. Surfacer in causing the damage to the Teflon bearing. I will not run it thru my AB again.

Ahh, that's right Theuns, You already did that killer 104. I forgot about the build you did for the Century GB, so your already beyond my Alclad abilities.

I hope that Alclad site did help though. It helps me to see the differences in their offerings.

PJ,

Thank you for that link, I didn't realize the wings were puttied and basically painted. I couldn't figure out what I was seeing when I looked at the hundreds of pictures of the flaps for my build. The, what I thought was NM, never looked right, but that certainly explains it. The fuse looks NM though.

Do you know about the stabilizer and elevator?

The more money and time I put into this Hase kit, the more I want to get it just right, which then takes more time and makes me want to do better, which takes more time. It's like looking into a mirror at a mirror, it goes "To infinity, and beyond"... sorry, I can get carried away.

The light was not good for pix, but here is my Stang's office. I just addesd lead foil straps.

PJ,

 I use the same, but haven't tried putting Mr. Surfacer through an airbrush yet, maybe I'll not do that!  Can you get a diagnosis from them and get extra teflon bearings if that is in fact the issue?

Groot

Thanx for the

I want to have a sight weatherd look to it, I think that the Stangs based in Japan were already hard worked by then and would have shown it.

As for the wings, I believe they were puttied and painted in the factory to maitain the crytical laminar flow airfoil to achieve the very long range needed, but by late war and Korea they might have been back to NMF??

I have used airframe allu alclad over just pollished plastic for a MiG 15 and it gave a much lighter look to the paint than over black as I usually do.

I was just wondering of the dura alluminium was a "lighter" paint than the airframe I use.

I have had good results with Airframe allu over black, I don't use different alclads for the tone differences, I shoot the alclad till it looks "dark" (about 3 coats) then mask off and shoot more till it lightens the other pannels.

Here is my 104 I did that way , but obviously the Stang needs to be much duller ...

Theuns

Steve has given a very good rundown on the Alclad combinations. Just remember guys that the NMF Mustangs were not all NMF. The wings were puttied sanded smooth and painted in aluminum lacquer. The flaps and ailerons remained in NMF. This was done in order to reduce drag and improve the aerodynamic properties of the pony.

www.ipmsstockholm.org/.../stuff_eng_detail_p51d_02.htm

Groot

Thanks for your input. I always use LT to clean all my ab's but I think Mr. Surfacer may have damaged the teflon bearing causing the pulsating. I called Badger yesterday and their main repair guy was out so I will call later today. Just trying to trouble shoot it otherwise it goes back to Badger for a free repair, I just pay the shipping which is $8 each way.

I've actually already got an A-36. Was just factoring in the price for a replacement. If I do, I'll probably pony up for the Italeri boxing. I know its a bit pricey, but the decals sheet is pretty sweet with 4 different options.

Theuns

I see some folk use (specifically on the mustprang) Dura alluminium.

Is this a less shiny alclad? Does it go over black aswell to give the tone difference and "depth" aswell?

Check out this site for more info.

alclad2

Steve

For the same cost, I would go with option 2. It seems like less work as well.