75th Anniversary of 1942 (World at War)

Yeah Bish I'd never seen them either. I thought that's what they might be. I may just have to try scratch building some. I'll have to find some more pics of them.

rooster513

 

Bish

 

 

rooster513

That Spitfire is really coming along Jack!

I was able to get the rest of the camo sprayed over the weekend. RLM mottling on the right side and white on the left and the wings. The white was sprayed with Mission Models and didn't perform as nicely as the RLM 74/75. I may just need to play around with ratio's some though.

I'll weather this up some with a post shade and then on to decals!

 

 

 

 

I like that scheme, i take it thats a partially completed white wash as i did on my Stuka a while back.

 

 

 

 

Thanks guys! Yes Bish it's a partial white wash but not an "in process" like you did. This is the scheme Ostermann used on his 109. You can see it in the pics below. This was one of the two markings available in the boxing and wanted to give it a try.

 

O blimey, now i have never seen that before. I wounder what the thinking was behind it. Now i have to get a 72nd F-4 and do that. Thank you.

And thanks for posting that first pic. I have never seen a pic of those anti slip mats in use, but i know a company that does 72nd ones and was going to get some. Good to see a pic of it.

Hey, thanks Check for hosting the GB.  I am very pleased to have my first GB badge.

Eric:  nice work getting a "relic" look to your panzer; quite realistic.

Andy:  clever paint scheme on your 109; I've not seen that one before.  And information about why it was a 1/2 and 1/2 design?

Dwayne:  I've posted your finished T-34 photo, including the shoe!  But I did crop it a bit so that the shoe wouldn't upstage the tank.  Plus, the shoe wasn't nearly so well weathered as the effect you achieved on the T-34.  Very believable!  Good work!

Thanks for being part of the GB.  It's always a pleasure to see your modeling skills at work. 

Bish

 

 

rooster513

That Spitfire is really coming along Jack!

I was able to get the rest of the camo sprayed over the weekend. RLM mottling on the right side and white on the left and the wings. The white was sprayed with Mission Models and didn't perform as nicely as the RLM 74/75. I may just need to play around with ratio's some though.

I'll weather this up some with a post shade and then on to decals!

 

 

 

 

I like that scheme, i take it thats a partially completed white wash as i did on my Stuka a while back.

 

Thanks guys! Yes Bish it's a partial white wash but not an "in process" like you did. This is the scheme Ostermann used on his 109. You can see it in the pics below. This was one of the two markings available in the boxing and wanted to give it a try.

rooster513

That Spitfire is really coming along Jack!

I was able to get the rest of the camo sprayed over the weekend. RLM mottling on the right side and white on the left and the wings. The white was sprayed with Mission Models and didn't perform as nicely as the RLM 74/75. I may just need to play around with ratio's some though.

I'll weather this up some with a post shade and then on to decals!

 

I like that scheme, i take it thats a partially completed white wash as i did on my Stuka a while back.

Thank you Bish and Andy.

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I like the look of the white wash.  The slight transparency is an interesting effect, and probably more realistic too.

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Dwayne, couple thoughts on 'fixing' the pigments to the vehicle.  You can spray a flat coat, but you will likely lose some pigment from the air pressure.  Try holding the airbrush a couple feet away and just let a mist coating fall  onto the surface. 

Another option is Tamiya's acrylic thinner, the one that smells like rubbing alcohol. Apply with a loaded painted brush, but only on the top edge and let it run down the sides via gravity.  Soak the whole area this way and let dry.  If it pools at the lower end, lightly dab the bottom edge with a paper tisssue.

regards,
Jack

Dwayne, love the weathering in your tank! Very nicely done!

Hey Andy, that is coming along nicely.  I have read that yellow and white can be the hardest colors to spray well, and I can vouch for yellow.  Have not had the (dis)pleasure of spraying white yet.  Looks like you conquered it, though.

Ye, GM is right about that. I did weather mine a little but they still look to clean, i am think about maybe adding a light oil wash next time, dirty it up a bit. But i also like the look of the black rope. At just over a £ a real, whats to lose.

Bish

Dwayne, great finish on the 34, really nice job with the pigments. I see you went for the black rope, i like the look of that. Will have to get some.

 

Thanks Bish.  I was advised by GMorrison to get the darker color rope, as new rope looks funny.  Great suggestion, as I can see a weathered tank with new rope not looking right.  Quality product at a reasonable price.  Done by a modeler for modelers.  All good in my book! 

jgeratic

Oh cool, now with that close up can see the pigment powders - what did you use to suspend them to the tank surface?

regards,

Jack

 

Thanks Jack.  Actually, I didn't use anything to suspend the powder.  I wanted to see what would happen if I just brushed it on dry.  It looks great now, but too much handling will knock it off.  I am wondering if a coat of Dullcote would help seal it in.  Have not tried it because I think that might change the color/texture.  This will be going into a plastic bin until I can get a display case of some type, so it should be OK the way it is.  I used Russian Earth pigment, but the way.  How could I go wrong with that? 

That Spitfire is really coming along Jack!

I was able to get the rest of the camo sprayed over the weekend. RLM mottling on the right side and white on the left and the wings. The white was sprayed with Mission Models and didn't perform as nicely as the RLM 74/75. I may just need to play around with ratio's some though.

I'll weather this up some with a post shade and then on to decals!

Great work on the Spit Jack, some nice touches there.

Impresive work there Eric, really nice.

Dwayne, great finish on the 34, really nice job with the pigments. I see you went for the black rope, i like the look of that. Will have to get some.

Oh cool, now with that close up can see the pigment powders - what did you use to suspend them to the tank surface?

regards,

Jack

One last post, and then I will stop.  Here is a close-up that shows the pigment better.

Thanks again to all for encouragement and helpful suggestions. 

Looking forward to more updates from the group!

EBergerud

I haven't got the feel of using paper, although I've seen some really good tarps etc made with it. I really like Aves Apoxie Sculpt for that kind of thing. The stuff isn't cheap but doesn't dry out so it lasts a long time. Very good filler too. Eric

 

Thanks Eric.  I actually was thinking that the T-34 didn't tend to last very long.  I recently read a book about the battle of Kursk, and throughout the book, the casualties taken by T-34's was pretty shocking.  

I did add some pigment to give it a dusty, dirty look, but that doesn't seem to show up well in the pics.

Thanks for the info on the armor guy.  I am definitely going check that out.  Love to hear armor ubergeeks!  

Getting positive feedback from this group means a lot to me.  

D

modelcrazy

Well done D.

Oils are fun to work with. Try making the bedrolls out of tissue paper. They look realistic and conform perfectly. 

 

Thank you.  Yes, oils are fun to work with.  I was able to get some of the effects I was looking for.  Based on many posts on the forum, I knew this was something I had to try.  Tissue paper....yes, I remember seeing this somewhere, I think even in one of my ancient how to build armor books.  That is an excellent suggestion.

jgeratic

Hi Dwayne, solid T-34 you have there, looks very good.

regards,

Jack

 

  Thanks Jack.  I know this has been described as a "beginner kit", but I had fun building it, and got to try out some new techniques.  Came out better than I was expecting.  

I haven't got the feel of using paper, although I've seen some really good tarps etc made with it. I really like Aves Apoxie Sculpt for that kind of thing. The stuff isn't cheap but doesn't dry out so it lasts a long time. Very good filler too. Eric

Sweet T-34. I've still never built one. Like the patina on the finish. It's probably right that you didn't give the thing heavy duty weather - I think the average T-34 was history in two or three months. Armor fans: YouTube has a neat new channel - look for Chiefton. The guy is an Irish-American former tanker who now does research for the game World of Tanks. He has a very neat series of examinations of a variety of museum tanks (including a T-34 85). A very gamer (and maybe tanker) view of the things. Like, Christie suspension didn't come with a guarantee by St. Paul - the Sovs were stuck with it in 1940 and there was no time to turn their back on a major project. And sloped armor was well understood by say, Louis XIV's fortress engineer Vauban by 1650. And crew well-being actually paid off. And the Sherman was really pretty good. Anyway, if you want it there's a five one hour "Tank Talks" by Moran moderates with experts like Zaloga, David Fletcher from Bovington, and Hilary Doyle. Years ago I hung around with game designers from SDI at the Army's Center for Military History in Washington - they knew their stuff and added technical/operational factors that were really being missed by some very good "conventional" military historians who were even then finishing the "Green Books" on WWII. I've no intention of adding an interior. I've got an issue of "Weathering" mag (Mig Jiminez gang at Ammo) on "KOd Armor." There's some uber-genius in Japan that specializes in really wrecked tanks with full interiors - amazing work: think of Mike Rinaldi doing a junk yard. But I may be in over my head as it is. Obviously the fenders are out of scale - that comes from using a thirty year old model. If they had been individual parts I would have tried to thin them - it would have been really hard as it stood. This is fun and if I knew what I was doing I would actually look for a good kit to use. But it still may be a calamity and I had this oldie in the stash crying "wreck me." It was fate. Eric

Well done D.

Oils are fun to work with. Try making the bedrolls out of tissue paper. They look realistic and conform perfectly. 

Hi Dwayne, solid T-34 you have there, looks very good.

regards,

Jack

Hey Eric, that is an ambitious project!  I like what I see so far.

So I am calling my T-34/76 done.  The scale rope I was waiting for came in, and that was all I needed to finish it off.  Here are the pics:

 

 

Several firsts on this project.  First aftermarket anything in tracks and rope.  First workable tracks.  First real attempt using oil washes.  First attempt at painting fabric, the bedrolls.  First time making tow cables.

I am pleased with how the bedrolls came out, and used techniques learned on this very forum.  I am also pleased with the overall project.  Need some more work on dot filtering, as I keep pulling up too much of the oil, and it ends up way too subtle.

The next time, I will make fabric stowage using green stuff.  The plastic bedrolls don't conform to the model, and making them with 2-part putty solves that issue. 

This is my second 1/35 scale armor model, and I really enjoyed this one.  I have a Tamiya 1/35 KV-1 in the stash, and that will likely be my next armor project.

Check, I like the last photo, the 3/4 view, even with the shoe in the background.  LOL

Thanks for looking.  Looking forward to seeing more work in the GB.

D

Looks great Eric. Are you going to add an interior?

Looking really good there, Eric.  You may want to thin the fender sections where they have been damaged, just to give the illusion that it is thin sheet metal. 

Most, if not all model kits, have the fender and it's lip along the outer edge molded as a solid thickness.

regards,

Jack

Real world has been getting in the way of styrene world - bad priorities. Anyway, I've been plugging away. Do recall I'm aiming to come up with a knocked out Panzer IV that met fate during the very ugly Soviet Rzhev Offensive - let's say late February 42. Winter is fading away, but the full thaw hasn't arrived. (Surprisingly the Reds continued the push during the "rasputitsa" in that sector no doubt adding to the huge butcher bill paid as Stalin pushed the counter-attack too far.)My tank, as you can see, has picked up a couple of AP rounds and ignited some ammunition. (I found a nice illustration of a Panzer IV interior and ammo storeage is found just below the fender and at the rear of the turret - I'll put in a closeup later to show where the holes are courtesy of my ever useful hot knife.) I do like the rust itself - but it needs some real inspiration to look like battledamage.

Mike Rinaldi says that a kit can look like a disastor but brought together in the last 10% of the project: let's hope he's right - that's about where I am. We'll be needing some snow for the ground - standard sculptamold hopefully. The tank needs a black glaze, black pigments, properly busted up left track and general tidy. Then everything gets a dusting of Kyrocell snow - incredible stuff if I do it right and can figure out how to photograph it. Wish me luck - I may need it.  

Eric

rust1 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

Thank you Dwayne, Check, and Tony.

Shot some primer on today, and there are a few tiny spots that need levelling out with Mr.Dissolved putty.  Will be sanding those areas tomorrow.

regards,

Jack