Ships of the American Flag GB 2019 -2021

goldhammer

Went back and looked at the pic of the box.  1991 version.  Two twin 5" mounts for sure in the artwork that I could see.  Probably not going to have all 10 of them

If there are options the instructions should point them out.

 

Sorry to say there is only one option that the kit offers and that is if you want waterline or not. I read somewhere that the kit is definitely post ww2.

Here is a review of the kit...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8nrDPhRV6fQ

Went back and looked at the pic of the box.  1991 version.  Two twin 5" mounts for sure in the artwork that I could see.  Probably not going to have all 10 of them

If there are options the instructions should point them out.

goldhammer

If yours still has 5, 5"/38 twin turrets on each side between the main batteries, then that is what she had originally.  Then just a matter of losing the missles and beehives then throwing some AA at her.  In that scale they shouldn't be real noticeable except to a rivet counter at a show.

 

Wrath of Khan: He tasks me. He tasks me, and I shall have him. I'll chase him to the moons of Nibia and round the Antares maelstrom and round the Perditions flames...

If yours still has 5, 5"/38 twin turrets on each side between the main batteries, then that is what she had originally.  Then just a matter of losing the missles and beehives then throwing some AA at her.  In that scale they shouldn't be real noticeable except to a rivet counter at a show.

goldhammer

If your kit is post 90's refit, for a WWII version the harpoon launchers and cwis beehives have to go.  Don't remember if any of the 5"/38 mounts went away then or not but think at least 2 per side did.  Then need to put back all the 20 and 40 mounts.

 

Yeah, sounds like a lot of work. I think I'll pass. Thanks though!

Almost wonder if it wouldn't be easier to buy a Missouri and convert to WW2 Wisky.

If your kit is post 90's refit, for a WWII version the harpoon launchers and cwis beehives have to go.  Don't remember if any of the 5"/38 mounts went away then or not but think at least 2 per side did.  Then need to put back all the 20 and 40 mounts.

goldhammer

At that scale I'd probably call it good with railings, but maybe radar antennas if available.  But those are going to be a bear if your fingers, eyes and coordination is anything like mine...blind as a bat and 15 thumbs in place of fingers.  

Tweezers will be your best buddy in either case

 

modelcrazy

PE really makes a 1/700 pop, but like GH said at that scale they do get tiny. If you go with it, railing would be the least. Radars, ladders and even wood decks can really make a diffrence. If your intrested I'd look for the Missouri, Iowa etc for PE sets or they make generic rails, US radars and such.

Good input Steve. I will do this.

modelcrazy

BTW, I measured the ohms on a 1/350 5" barrel. Not the same as a 1/700 16" but it mightgive an idea. It ohmed out at .4 ohms. I think GM's idea of using the barrels as a conductor is certantly worth a try.

Very interesting and good to know! I will keep this in mind as I move forward.

My plan is to make the barrels using brass tubing. I ordered three sizes that should allow me to closely mimic the guns as depicted in the kit. With them being tubes, I ought be able to run a small wire through them. Building the barrels will probaly be more work, but I do enjoy fabricating things. And if running wires does not work, I can do other options that Bill mentioned.

I am eager to test it, just waiting on the shipment. 

GMorrison

See what comes in your kit. Reviews suggest there is no PE in the kit, which is a little unusual but it's an older kit.

I had already checked that, nothing came with. 

GMorrison

Probably any set for Iowas will be fine. The thing would be WW2 era versus modern refit, there's a lot of difference of course in the electronics. If you are building the "1991" kit, it can't easily be backdated ot earlier period as the weapons other than the big rifles are all pretty different. So look for what you need in terms of era.

That makes sence. I wish that I had the patience, and more than that the knowledge base to know what needs changing to make it WW2 era. WW2 would be my preference, but as is is fine too. No way I want to spin my wheels trying to figure all that out. Maybe someday I will brave something like that. 

GMorrison

always like Gold Medal sets for their workability or Tom's for the price.

Good to know. I wondered about what is good.

See what comes in your kit. Reviews suggest there is no PE in the kit, which is a little unusual but it's an older kit.

Yes, it's important to consider adding.

Probably any set for Iowas will be fine. The thing would be WW2 era versus modern refit, there's a lot of difference of course in the electronics. If you are building the "1991" kit, it can't easily be backdated ot earlier period as the weapons other than the big rifles are all pretty different. So look for what you need in terms of era.

I'm no expert let alone knowledgable about the Iowas. I built a bunch of them as a kid, the old Revell kit. 

But I always like Gold Medal sets for their workability or Tom's for the price.

It would seem (pun intended) that decks are available too.

Mach71, that sounds great. Your Hunley turned out great and was a fun entry to the sub build.

I got you down for a scratchbuild.

I does look like most of the Space Race GB is over here now.

PE really makes a 1/700 pop, but like GH said at that scale they do get tiny. If you go with it, railing would be the least. Radars, ladders and even wood decks can really make a diffrence. If your intrested I'd look for the Missouri, Iowa etc for PE sets or they make generic rails, US radars and such.

BTW, I measured the ohms on a 1/350 5" barrel. Not the same as a 1/700 16" but it might give an idea. It ohmed out at .4 ohms. I think GM's idea of using the barrels as a conductor is certantly worth a try.

At that scale I'd probably call it good with railings, but maybe radar antennas if available.  But those are going to be a bear if your fingers, eyes and coordination is anything like mine...blind as a bat and 15 thumbs in place of fingers.  

Tweezers will be your best buddy in either case

Gentlemen, help a novice ship builder out. What PE would you recommend i get for my USS Wisconsin 1:700? At this scale, what would make sense to get? If anything, or is it not worth the effort?

modelcrazy

Speaking of changing the first kit, I have decided to swith from the NC to the 1/350 Dragon Spruance. I have PE for it and it shouldn't take too long, realtively speaking, to complete.

It's actually a replacement for a kit I started 20 years ago but didn't have the skillset to complete.

And yes, it will have a water base.

 

Hmm, I don't build ship models. Well except for the H.L. Hunley I built for the submarine GB, but that could hardly be called a ship.

A friend sent me a hat from the USS Blueback, SS-581 from the '60s and I've been doing some reading about her. But there is no kit of the Barbel class. 

Then I got to thinking, Never a good idea, It's a contemporary of the USS Skipjack. Both hulls are based on the USS Albercor reaserch submarine.

So I posed the question over at the ship section.

Could the Blueback be bashed from a Skipjack kit? The consensus was yes! 

If I start with the old Aurora 1/230 scale Skipjack (13in) It will scale out very close to a 1/200 Blueback. The sail and tailfins will need to be reworked, but it might be doable. 

So all this is a longwinded way of asking. Please sir, may I join the group build?

I thought of building the same kit as Mach1, but thats probably putting too much strain on the space/time contimuum. 

Speaking of changing the first kit, I have decided to swith from the NC to the 1/350 Dragon Spruance. I have PE for it and it shouldn't take too long, realtively speaking, to complete.

It's actually a replacement for a kit I started 20 years ago but didn't have the skillset to complete.

And yes, it will have a water base.

GMorrison

A glue bomb  from eBay, Revell kit of a supercarrier hull.

A Revell flatbottom carrier from the mid fifties (both the kit and the ship).

What could he have in mind?

 

Umm, Star Blazers: Space Carrier Midway 2199?  

GMorrison

I'm adding a model which will come first. Details to follow.

 

So what's here? Morrison's Third Law of Modeling:

"No matter the size of the bench, the available work space will always be exactly two square feet"

Beyond that, and ignoring the CL hull at the top;

A glue bomb  from eBay, Revell kit of a supercarrier hull.

A Revell flatbottom carrier from the mid fifties (both the kit and the ship).

What could he have in mind?

goldhammer

Hoping to do that, just to see if it's possible.  Besides, old fumble fingers will prob break 2 of them getting the shields off.   Going on a week's trip today so will have to wait till I get back.  My lady's buss driver retirees bunch do a 10 day RV campout every year.  Taking the coach this time around.  

Taking the Santa and Airfix GB projects with me to fill in dead time.

 

Hoping to do that, just to see if it's possible.  Besides, old fumble fingers will prob break 2 of them getting the shields off.   Going on a week's trip today so will have to wait till I get back.  My lady's buss driver retirees bunch do a 10 day RV campout every year.  Taking the coach this time around.  

Taking the Santa and Airfix GB projects with me to fill in dead time.

goldhammer

Heard back from the man who makes the 20's.  He didn't give any suggestions for trying to straighten.  Said to send pics to Shapeways service center and they would send replacements.

Now that's taking care of his buyers!!

 

 

I'm adding a model which will come first. Details to follow.

Heard back from the man who makes the 20's.  He didn't give any suggestions for trying to straighten.  Said to send pics to Shapeways service center and they would send replacements.

Now that's taking care of his buyers!!

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/171539.aspx

Thank you, Goldhammer. I just remembered that I have the Trumpeter 1/144 Gato kit from the build which I never got around to. I had lost track of all of the research that was done. I look forward to your BIG build.

GM:  look on page 3 of the GB's...official submarine warfare GB.

HF: no idea what he uses for material...kind of looks like a nylon type stuff.  Going to message him and see what he suggests.

GH,

Those guns look fantastic! Do you know what plastic Shapeway uses for their prints? PLA? ABS? PLA can warp when it's printed at too high a temperature, so I imagine it can be reshaped by heating it up. 

I bought a 3D printer, so, I'm going to be doing more experimenting soon!