AIRCRAFT, ARMOR, FIGURES, SHIPS - D-Day Group Build, 5-8 June 1944

QUOTE: Originally posted by rebelreenactor Thats great, Id like to see a dio. I'm already working on a different one though so i cant really do one.... or maybe..........

Come on, there's always room for another diorama!!

QUOTE: LOL in case you didn't pick it up, Iam joking.

lol, no really? Please don't, I need this, I really do

Thats great, Id like to see a dio. I'm already working on a different one though so i cant really do one.... or maybe..........

Zokissima, i'm going to kick you out of the build!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






STOP MAKING ME SO JEALOUS!!!!!!!

LOL
in case you didn't pick it up, Iam joking.

I'm going to be building a simple diorama showing a Canadian M-7 Priest moving inland from Juno beach. It will be either June 6th or 7th, I just have to finish researching to see which units came on when.

Hey Joe, Don't say I didn't warn you . Good luck on the coming build. With those woofers under your belt you may find the Dragon P-38 an easy build.

rjk, i am at the point of no return on this kit so i am going to do the dragon. besides i have already done the revell f4f and have completed everything on the revell p40b except a lone decal. i am a glutton for punishment.

joe

Yeah, I was quite surprised that it came it. The whole thing, I'm not kidding, seems to be about D-Day, with literally a cr**load of all sorts of useful things. There's a roundup of all the armor used, in all of the sides involved, there's a wingy thingy kit roundup of all aircraft involved, a detailing feature, history lesson...hehe it really is a great issue.

QUOTE: Whats every one building For this build? I'm building a 1/72 c-47 Skytrain and Glider and maybe a 1/35 LVCP I'm still looking for some armor so dont worry

Man, I've been trying ot figure THAT out since I wanted to be in this build. Gotta finish reading this FSM, and after that I should have an idea of what I want to do. Maybe a Marder...

Bummer, haven't got my issue yet. It usually comes Saturdays.

No way!! I'm so jelous of you Zokissima!!!

I want mine guess i'll have to wait!

to the Captain. The group builds usually get enough posts to keep them afloat on page 1 or 2. A non-sticky GB thread would still be easy to find...Heck, the Sherman and Panther threads have been resurrected more times than Gilligan's Island has and are still there. Let's not sticky anymore.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't get enough time to read every topic (wish I could) so I troll through the pages looking for what seems to be interesting or a topic I might help in. I have not the time to join this one, but I enjoy reading it anyway. But, to add my 2 cents worth on the way things have been going.....let's all chill out. Usually a GB is thrown around a bit before some rules are settled on. Most guys are happy to have as many people participate as possible, so initial discussions are fluid and guidelines change to account for this. However, I agree that once specific rules are established they should be set in cement, particularly for the younger guys and those on a budget.

The ideal of the Group build is friendly forum to encourage other's to construct and finish a model within the alotted time frame, and share the experience of building on a theme; for those with knowledge of a particular aspect to share that with others. Starting the build a week or so early is no biggie, and in all honesty if someone was to start and say nothing, who would know? That said, a model that is fully completed well before the official start date does not encourage that person to build a model, just present one they have already done for viewing.

Let's just keep it all friendly and stick by the rules established. As long as the GB initiator's don't change the basic rules once set, let's just accept that 'the judge's decision is final'

fightnjoe, do yourself a favor and get the new Academy 1/72 P-38J kit. It is very superior to the 1/72 Dragon kit, which is a to build.

well folks the decals are here. i will be doing a p-38j from the 393rd fs. the plane is named "curly six" piloted by capt. jack reed. out of ibsley airdrome, hants, uk. it will be nmf (tinfoil method) and is the 1/72 dragon kit.

joe

I just got the June issue of FSM in the mail yesterday. I'm stoked. The coverage for D-Day is absolutely INSANE. Practically the whole mag seems to be dedicated to it. I've only brienfly leaved through it, but in the next few days as I read it, I should get a good idea of what I want to build. Hope all of you got yours

Ghettochild,, I am building the IV J as well and have a couple books with photos of J's in them. I will have to check dates in them but I will see if I can at least come up with something close to whats on the decal sheet with the model or something that can be atleast hand painted.

I think ill let the general kit decals go through, maybe, it just doesnt seem right if you had a german tank from russia for the build.

A rather easy build, a Tamiya 1/48 P-51B " Berlin Express". Would like to do something more challenging, but it's golf & gardening season and the build window is relatively short.

well i am planning on doing the tamiya panzer 4 j. not sure if the kit decals are correct. i really cant find any reference to this tank anywhere. still looking at a couple hours a night.

Right now im not sure at the moment, What do you guys think, Specific D-Day Decals or not?

Tamiya's Marder III M. Which brings up a point. I'm not sure the kit comes with the proper D-Day decals. Do I have to buy some that qualify?

I'll let one person slide (EasyCo) on building the model early. NO MORE BUILDING BEFORE June 6!!!!! Dont want another problem. ArmorMaster, I apologize for the mis hap. you are welcome to post progress reports here. But personally, I think your Normandy GB is a good idea. If i wasn't committed to this, i would join that. Good luck on it.

Now changing subjects

Whats every one building For this build?
I'm building a 1/72 c-47 Skytrain and Glider
and maybe a 1/35 LVCP
I'm still looking for some armor so dont worry!

I think I have the right to ask rebel if he could extend the dates and he did, so I thought it was %100 percent ok with him. After buying the model then he finally tells me the truth. I'm not so mad that I can't do a tiger, what makes me mad is that it took me $30 and a month to figure out that he really didn't like the idea all along. If I can't do a tiger, then fine I'll go on to seek out something in the time frame. If you didn't like the idea of extending the dates on the GB, then you should have firmly told us tiger fans no and that would be the end of it.

QUOTE: Originally posted by rjkplasticmod Then one of the airheads decided to build an AC way before the start date which to me is a lone build with no Group interaction. Then just to prove that no good deed goes unpunished, rebel bent the original rules to accomodate the few and has been hammered for it. So he changed the rules back and gets hammered again, mainly by the guys who it up in the first place. When the GB and guidelines were spelled out, we all had 2 choices, In or Out. Not, I want in but only if I can do it my way and to with every one else. Now edog is trying to make decisions that rightfully belong to rebel, the originator & moderator of the GB. Just my.

I feel that the originator of the thread should more or less have the final say. I'm not going to say I'll agree, but he started it, therefore, it's more or less his game.

I feel that the starting date should be firm. I mean everyone wants to start early. But then what is the purpose of having a start and end date if everyone makes up there own rules?

I said this in another build, you should have to finish the entire build before you earn your patch. Just my strong opinion.

Finally, The whole purpose is to have fun and share information. This is a unique build in that there could be many forums involved. Members not familiar with one another may get to know one another better. Heck, some of us may be influenced seek out new frontiers, by building things that we don't normally build. I think some members need to lighten up and let rebel reestablish himself as the leader of this thread. Come on, this is an important event we are recognizing in our own special way. Let's pay a memorable tribute to our fine vet's sacrifices that made that day so endearing to so many.

Wow, what a lot of angst. I've been a contributor to the Forum for a while, but never participated in any of the group builds. When rebelreenactor suggested the D-Day GB, it caught my interest and I had the time so I signed on. I always thought GB's were for modelers with common interests building similar or related models during the same time frame. Seemed like a great way to share research, learn from others, share in solving modeling problems, meet some new friends on-line, and most important having fun. Then some of the armor modelers realized that their favorite Nazi wasn't qualified to the original guidelines and lobbied for rules changes that totally lost sight of the GB premise. Then one of the airheads decided to build an AC way before the start date which to me is a lone build with no Group interaction. Then just to prove that no good deed goes unpunished, rebel bent the original rules to accomodate the few and has been hammered for it. So he changed the rules back and gets hammered again, mainly by the guys who it up in the first place. When the GB and guidelines were spelled out, we all had 2 choices, In or Out. Not, I want in but only if I can do it my way and to with every one else. Now edog is trying to make decisions that rightfully belong to rebel, the originator & moderator of the GB.

Iv'e researched my build, bought the kit, decals, some PE & resin, have about $60.00 committed. Doesn't matter to me, I'd have bought them sooner or later anyway. I still hope to see this GB through, if not I'll just do another lone build, same as I've been doing for the last 50 years or so.

Just my.

Ok, I am going to say a quick word here.

The whole reason for group builds is to be able to share information while building a common topic. Having said that, I personally think of the GB “rules” as more of a set of guidelines. And trust me; none of you are going to “make” me do anything, but some common sense might be appropriate. Ok, this discussion has been going on for way too long, lets stop pointing fingers, wrap it up and get to building…


ArmorMaster, if you want to build a Tiger 1, then build one!!! I’m not sure if it will fit in the group timeline, but hey, they are guidelines anyway and we would all love to see pics of your Tiger whether it is in the group or not.

EasyCo, great looking bird you have there, keep up the good work and I think your model is a great way to kick off the D-Day build. I am sorry if your first impression of the armor forum has not been a good one.

Group builds are for FUN and fun only
theres no Disqualification
if there going to be loads more GBs lets make them Non Stickys
3 or 4 Stickys and the rest can sink or float

I didn't want to make all that anger directed towards you easyco. After reading the message again it almost sounds like everythings put on you. But I'm trying to help you. I don't want you to get dissapointed if you fw190 will be disqualified. You don't have to quit the GB unless that was your only model and it will take a while to get another. And capt, I'm making a normandy GB just for the occasion-see you there.

ArmourMaster....I dont get it......

Be nice for rebelreanctor(John) He tryed to make me happy. So be nice!!

Im sorry then. OK...IM OUT THEN....Its not a big deal...I thought..but i guess it is a big deal!

ArmorMaster why dont you start a Normandy group build
i want to make a Tiger 1 soon im sure there are others

That blows, I'm out. I'm mad because rebel keeps changing all these rules and I'm also mad that easyco (Nice Fw190!!!) gets to be in the build when he didn't even start the build during the time frame. It's like me grabing a model off my shelf and saying "oh, I built this a while ago, but it fits with the d-day rules, so can it be in?" And let me ask you a question rebel. So it's ok for easyco to be outside the start-finish dates, but it's not ok for me to be out of the june 5-6 dates? I'm out because the rules were extended for a long time and finally when I bought the model it got changed back and now I see the same exception with easyco. I'm also out because the GB host is unstable and keeps changing everything with a hidious exception thats totally not fair. And BTW easyco, I wouldn't think that fw190 (although nice!) will be in the GB because it's only a matter of time before rebel gets hit with complainers like me and decides to take your 190 out. I want to be part of the GB, especialy since it's the 60th anniversary, but I don't have enough money to keep buying models and then seeing the rules getting stricter which makes the model I just bought not valid. TAKE ME OFF THE LIST, I'M OUT FOR GOOD!

WoW! Got a little emotion flowing! Ok fellas lets take a step back, take a deep breath and think about what we are saying here. I think what Jratz is trying to say is : EasyCo has a nice build, but he did not meet the guidelines established for the group build. Afterall I have numerous kits that are of the type this group is about on the shelf, but I can't submit them because the GB starts on 6 Jun. While the tone of his post was a little angry I do think he rasies a good point.

I think everyone that is involved with this GB should consider what this all about. It is a tribute to the Heros (both sides) involved in the initial phases of the liberation of France.

Stick with the original rules, with no "free passes" and do your own research as to what is in and out. We are putting too much pressure on rebelreenactor, and not being fair to him.