AIRCRAFT, ARMOR, FIGURES, SHIPS - D-Day Group Build, 5-8 June 1944 - FineScale Modeler - Essential magazine for scale model builders, model kit reviews, how-to scale modeling, and scale modeling products

Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:44 AM

June 6 is pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenty of time. Looks like it will be a sherman what german armor was there on D day? Panther s, stugs.?

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:55 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by M1abramsRules

agreed. that would definately put me in for it. 1/72 still. I don't know but I am having a lot of fun in 1/72 lately, I think its my main scale.

what he said !
LOL !
ok, even tho' i was thinking about not signing on 4 any more group builds rite now...
this one is just 2 good 2 pass up !
i'll b thinking about a project that will fit the bill, but with the wealth of possibilities,
i'm sure i'll come up w/ something !

frosty Smile [:)]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:10 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by M1abramsRules

well, I know I want to try building a DD shermie in 1/72. guess I'll have to get the Italeri/Esci kit for the starting point.

u'll love it !
just watch out 4 part # 19, the transmission cover .
it won't fit rite if u install it the way the instructions say...
but it fits perfectly if u turn it upside down.
go figure...
r u going 2 do a wading trunk shermie ?
(that was my other choice 4 the Sherman GB, but i went with the m32 instead)
this looks like it's going 2 b a fun build !

frosty Smile [:)]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:18 AM

I think I'm going to scratchbuild a tiger for mine. Maybe 1/70 scale? Either that or my DML tiger 2.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:30 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by ArmorMaster

I think I'm going to scratchbuild a tiger for mine. Maybe 1/70 scale? Either that or my DML tiger 2.

ArmorMaster:
scratchbuilding a tiger in 1/70 ?
maybe u should consider the Revell Tiger in 1/72 instead, i hear it's a very nice kit .
it would certainly save u a lot of time & energy ! Tongue [:P]

but i like scratchbuilding myself, so i can understand the "can it b done?" factor.
good luck w/ ur project, whatever u choose !

frosty Smile [:)]

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M1abramsRules

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Posted by M1abramsRules on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:39 AM

Thanks for the tipoff frosty!! I'll have to beef up my styrene collection a bit to scratchbuild everything for it.

jump on in on this GB, frosty. I love seeing your works in 72. your ersatz panther and your m32 are both amazing!!

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:45 AM

I think it'll be DML's tiger 2. Cant make a very convincing muzzle break in 1/70.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:05 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by M1abramsRules

Thanks for the tipoff frosty!! I'll have to beef up my styrene collection a bit to scratchbuild everything for it.
jump on in on this GB, frosty. I love seeing your works in 72. your ersatz panther and your m32 are both amazing!!

Chris:
ur welcome !
if u flip the part, u may want 2 move the towing eyes a bit lower on the tranny cover...
(but that's an easier fix IMO)
got 2 have a good supply of styrene sheet, strip, rod & tube...
AM parts r just 2 expensive in general !

re: the ersatz & m32... Blush [:I]

u r 2 kind, mon ami !
i think sometimes things look better in pix than they really r... Wink [;)]

all i can say is i'm always willing 2 try hard !

thanx again !

frosty Smile [:)]

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M1abramsRules

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Posted by M1abramsRules on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:26 PM

AM parts are bascally non-existant in 1/72 as well.

QUOTE: all i can say is i'm always willing 2 try hard !

it shows!!!

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:14 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by thundergod

June 6 is pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenty of time. Looks like it will be a sherman what german armor was there on D day? Panther s, stugs.?

Yup, Panthers and Stugs were in action within a day or so of the landings. You could also look at PzIVs and PzIIIs, although I'm not sure off the top of my head with which units.

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tigerman

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:21 PM

Still no reply to wether any Marder III M's were hovering around the area. I assume they were, if not it will be a Stug III for me.

Eric

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:32 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

Still no reply to wether any Marder III M's were hovering around the area. I assume they were, if not it will be a Stug III for me.

1./SS.Pz.Jäg.Abt. 2 of the 2nd SS Panzer Division, 'Das Reich', is listed as having 10 Marder IIIs on it's order of battle during action in Normandy. I don't know when or if 1./SS.Pz.Jäg.Abt. 2 went into action, but I'm sure it did at some point (whether it was in the GB timeframe I don't know).

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rebelreenactor

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From: Clovis, Calif

Posted by rebelreenactor on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:08 PM

Frosty, Does this mean u r in??

Also to all of u thanks for the support!!!! Bow [bow]

Bad news forr Armor fans- Even though i hardly ever build aircraft and ships, I think i am going to for the build Disapprove [V]

I will probably be doing Italerie's C-47 and Glider in 1/72.
then maybe Lindenburgs Landingcraft.
Then, if i Have some time, a willys, or 2 1/2 ton cargo truck.

John

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:58 PM

Hey wrbridge: Do you have a book of what vehicals were where on what dates? If so, would you be able to see if there was any tiger 2's in any panzer division around normandy during or close to D-day? That would help a lot. Thanks

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:58 PM

This website has a lot of information about D-Day AFVs. I found in very interesting. It should be pretty usefull for this Group Build.

http://www.d-daytanks.org.uk/

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tigerman

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:08 PM

Thank you Warren and you answered my next question about known units too.

Eric

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:46 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman

Thank you Warren and you answered my next question about known units too.

No worries, glad to help.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:58 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by ArmorMaster

Hey wrbridge: Do you have a book of what vehicals were where on what dates? If so, would you be able to see if there was any tiger 2's in any panzer division around normandy during or close to D-day? That would help a lot. Thanks

No, I don't have a book that has that detailed information, wish I did though! Wink [;)]

The information on the Marder III I got from a website on the 'Das Reich' division. But from what I can find out from the books I do have it appears that the Tiger 2 was first deployed to the Eastern Front in May of 1944, and the Western Front in August 1944 (heavy tank battalion 501 I believe).

It's not much, but I hope it helps some. Smile [:)]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:08 PM

Looks like I need a new model! Thanks wrbridge! Does anybody have any sites where I can find out what divisions were where at certain times? I'll keep looking...

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:52 AM

Huuuuummmmm may have to do a jagdpanther seems either way I go I will be buying a kit for this build.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:20 AM

Count me in please, I will be doing Academy's Mid Pro TIger (Full Interior) I will either do one from the 12th SS Panzer or 21st Panzer. I am still in the research phase.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:11 AM

Not sure how accurate it is but I found this list on a website, although it does not list variants.

Allocation tables, men and equipment

PzKpfw IV
PzKpfw V PANTHER
PzKpfw VI TIGER AUSF E
PzKpfw VI TIGER AUSF B
STURMGESCHÜTZ
JAGDPANZER IV
JAGDPANTHER
MOBILE FLAK

Also found this website, again note sure how accurate it is:

http://w1.183.telia.com/~u18313395/normandy/articles/gerafvtemp.html

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:31 AM

Ok, so I did a little research…

Apparently, Tiger IIs didn’t arrive in Normandy until Mid July with the 503rd, so they are out. Everything I have read so far states that the first Tiger Is in combat in Normandy were with the 101SS on the 12th of June. I am not sure if the JagdPz IVs from Pz Lehr made it into combat before the 9th.

As far as tanks that were in Normandy before the 9th, there were Panthers, Pz IVs, and Pz IIIs. Now as far as SP guns, Hummels, Stug IIIs, and Wespes were there too. AND the 12th SS (HJ) had 12 Marders attached to a Battalion that participated in the fighting outside of Caen on the 8th. These were probably the 7.5 cm Marders.

This info is assuming that the only Panzer divisions to make it to the front before the 9th were the 12ss Pz, the 21st Pz, and the Pz Lehr. (I am pretty sure that this is the case)

If you guys want to learn more, start with this page, its SICK!!! and it matches pretty well with all the onther info I have seen.

http://w1.183.telia.com/~u18313395/normandy/index.html

Hope this helps Cool [8D]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:24 AM

I know the PC game call of duty has Tiger 1's and pzrkmwgn 4's on d-day, but maybe that was an inaccuracy. Saving PVt. Ryan had tigers in it on normandy though, so I'll probably end up doing a tiger 1. Would anyone know if there are any aftermarket kits for pzkmpwgn 4 side and turret armor skurts? I'll look into it.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:28 AM

Nice webpage, edog. Thanks for sharing!

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:30 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by rebelreenactor

Frosty, Does this mean u r in??

rebelreenactor:
that's affirmative, General ! i'm in...
now all i have 2 do is figure out what 2 build 4 this project ! Big Smile [:D]

frosty

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zokissima

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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Posted by zokissima on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:32 AM

Hehehe, good, I was actually looking for a reason to build a panther, since mine's been sitting around for a while gathering dust. As far as this build goes, if I'm still in it come June, I'll probably end up doing a panther.

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tigerman

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:38 AM

Great info Richard and Eric, thanks.

Eric

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nmayhew

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Posted by nmayhew on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:33 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by ArmorMaster

I know the PC game call of duty has Tiger 1's and pzrkmwgn 4's on d-day, but maybe that was an inaccuracy. Saving PVt. Ryan had tigers in it on normandy though, so I'll probably end up doing a tiger 1. Would anyone know if there are any aftermarket kits for pzkmpwgn 4 side and turret armor skurts? I'll look into it.

there's loads of aftermarket stuff for your panzer IV, although i only know UK outlets...if you get stuck i can let you know at least what i think is out there.
your pic is of an eastern front IV, right? as that's t-34 extra track links i can see stuck all over it?
regards,
nick

Kind regards, Nicholas

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zokissima

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Posted by zokissima on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:30 PM

I'm just curous, were any Russian vehicles involved in this?

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AIRCRAFT, ARMOR, FIGURES, SHIPS - D-Day Group Build, 5-8 June 1944