AIRCRAFT, ARMOR, FIGURES, SHIPS - D-Day Group Build, 5-8 June 1944

What can I say armormaster the king rules to bad they wernt around on d-day plus 60 something hehehe or is it armorhamsster Im joking I get this with my last name all the time either its spelled wrong or pronouced wrong so what can I say hehehe

QUOTE: Originally posted by jratz We started this at 5-8 June, which I thought was great -- focus on D-Day itself. Then the Tiger folks started complaining so we ran out to 5-13 June, although why I don't know -- it's D-Day & they weren't there -- it's a fact, sorry about that. But now you say D-Day + 12 ?? meaning 5-18 June ?? Your lead post isn't updated to say that. Could we get all these things locked own ? date, geography, forces, etc. Thanks

You hit the nail on the head.

My friend Wes wants to know how to build the D-Day thing him self I send it will be to hard but I dont know.

John - Hope you all don't mind me throwing my 2 cents into your build.

I've been following along as your D-Day Group Build gathers speed and members, but I have also noticed that it has drifted away from being a D-Day build. I wasn't going to say anything, but I notice some of your members are becoming a little disillusioned.

You started out with a D-Day build. Fine, D-Day is June 6th, 1944 on the beaches of Normandy. Can't change history, that's when it was, that's where it happened, and only
X-number and type of equipment was used there. Nothing more, nothing less.

Soon you expanded the dates to include post D-Day battles such as Villers Bocage. An important battle in it's own right, but not truly D-Day.

In your initial post for this build, you encourage people to build as close to D-Day as possible. For a true D-Day build why not limit it to D-Day. If not that, then rename your thread to "The Normandy Campaign" and expand your build that way.

Just my 2 cents ..... it's your call as facilitor of this build.

I am getting a little confused with all of the rules changes being made to accomodate Armor that wasn't there on D-Day. Are we doing a D-Day build or a month of June build? One of the AC builders was told that any aircraft not over the beach on D-Day was ineligible, even if it was deployed in homeland defense, so what exactly are the rules, as of today at least.

Allright, I'm out. Looks like I'm cornered here. If you change the date back to June 6, then I'm out. But if you keep the dates I'm still in. I might be able to dig something up, but I spent my money on the tiger, so thats all I got. Sorry, too many people hate the idea...

QUOTE: One of the AC builders was told that any aircraft not over the beach on D-Day was ineligible, even if it was deployed in homeland defense, so what exactly are the rules, as of today at least

Thats me... Im doing that Priller..
What is the rules then??????????????????????//

Shoot if you go like Rob said and do a "Normandy GB" then thereis a ton of things to do,but if going back and forth on dates and such alot of us are getting so I say either go with what you wanted togo with in the first place or make it the Normandy campaign and leave it alone thats my

Here is what I propose:

Limit it to a types of vehicles that were very important (ie Sherman, Panzer IV, M10, Jeep, Halftrack etc.)
Limit the aircraft to what was important (C47, P51, ME109 not sure of what others)
Limit the ships to what was there (LST etc)
Obvious limits on the figures.

I feel limiting it to D-Day (6 June) only is too restrictive. Not much came on the beach, except some tanks and a view jeeps, halftracks and a whole lot of heros. As I have said since this GB inception we need to set some parameters, or it could (and has) get out of hand. Maybe a vote is in order?

We still have time to do this right. We need to make this worthy of the respect these heros deserve.

I can understand your points hattals, the only problem I can see is how do we determine what vehicle or plane or ship was 'impotant' or not? That gets into a subjective decision and there's always going to be differing opinions. I think the easiest way is to limit it to what was used on 'x' date, that way there's not room for confusion.

As far was what date to pick? That's more challenging. Some find June 6th alone too restrictive, okay, fair enough. But on the other hand the further away from June 6th we go the less the build has to do with D-Day and the more we get into the larger Normandy Campaign. Obviously one led to the other, but, they aren't the same thing.

Might I suggest going with June 6th, 7th and 8th? That gives people a little more flexability for subjects, but at the same time is D-Day specific. I think something along these lines was tossed around early on, maybe we should go back to that?

I think Sherm, Hattals and Warren have separate good points. But the bottom line is I think we need to decide on the exact period of time.

I think we SHOULD NOT do what was "important" and only important. There were some little known vehicals or small amounts of vehicals used on D-day that were still important to D-day. I believe that all WWII veterans are heros, no matter if they were a supply truck driver or a fighting front-line soldier. To only model what was popular on D-day would forget those soldiers that drove the least-know vehicals on D-day but still were there. Because they were devoting part of their lives, and even risking their lives too, I think even though they were least know vehicals in scarces situations-it still happened and they still gave their lives despite their (or their vehical's) popularity. I think every participant on the D-day invasion, popular or not, should be modeled at the modelers own will. They still gave their lives for the operation and just because not many people know about them doesn't mean we should forget them. In fact I believe it is an oppurtunity to show people every aspect of D-day, whether it's the well known beach-landings or paratrooper jumps, or the little know DD tanks and stuff like that.

D-day is more that June 6th. It marked the begining of the end of the Nazis. The only major thing that happened on June 6th was the beach landings and the paratrooper jumps the night before. It's a great idea to honor those heros, but when the invasion of fortress Europe really started and our troops were moving inland as results of D-day, fighting happened and men lost lives as result to d-day. So we can show d-day, but not show d-day when men were losing their lives inland as result of d-day? Ludicrus! Every hero should be honored, not just the popular divisions and vehicals!

Now I'm not saying that we should have like D-day plus 100 or something that far, just a 2 week or less time frame before/after the invasion. The D-day invasion was the climax. Maybe if we have a week or so after the invasion we can show D-day after the beach as it was constantly unfolding. I might be alone on this one, but I think we owe it to the veterans to not only model the well-known divisions and events, but also model the little-know events/vehicals after the beaches. Because the people driving the little know vehicals and participating in the little known battles or events matter to me. Even if they didn't hit the beach I still se them as veterans because they were putting there lives on the line. If we model ONLY June 6th, we are only modeling a select few of people that risked there lives for this operation. But if we can open up the rules to still focus on d-day but show the select few on June 6th and the majority of the troops which were not the select few, that weren't on the beaches or weren't in the C-47's on June 5th then I believe we honored the veterans in a way unimaginable.

Just a very long thought....

Im with Robert on this one keep it D Day 6th of june or change it to Normandy Campaign
lets not bother with D Week or D Month

Plus, if we kept it to June 6th, there wouldn't be a lot of viarety and the guys in the armor forum would be kinda left out, because as wrbridge pointed out, there wasn't much armor-related stuff on June 6th. The GB would be pretty much in the Ship/AC forum.

Alright, tired of gettin pushed around here I'm going to BACK TO THE ORIGINAL RULES, MY RULES,NO ONE ELSES, JUNE 5-8 1944(that was the origianal idea)
ArmorMaster sorry but it looks like your out. I have been quietly agreeing with the complaints but didn't want to change the rules. I apologize to all of you guys, for the confusion and bad rules etc. Next time i wont get my self pushed around by the experts. Sorry. I guess it pretty much means notigers used, then no tigers in the build.
This thing got way out of hand and i apologize.
if i forgot something let me know.

Yeah, I'm out. Nice being here-dang my first GB-I only lasted 14 pages! Now what am I gonna do with this tiger I bought? You could of stayed by your original dates rebel and I would have bought a model in that time frame. Now I'm stuck with a tiger (which isn't bad) but I was looking forward to this build after school gets out. Guess I'll build it solo then. Nice being here and being a part of this though, even if it was, well short.
PS: Next time anybody throws a GB, be firm with what you do and if you allow something, don't change it back. You might end up waisting somebody's money and time. I don't want this to sound mean, but I'm kinda angry after this... Good luck with the GB everyone!

John,

Well, with that clarification being issued, I think it is the right time to ask my question.

I am planning to make a model of a mock sherman from what supposed to be the Phantom Army of Patton used to deceive the Germans. I have no exact dates on this but I know that the allied made it looked that there was a build up of equipment in an area in Dover, England, opposite the beaches of Pas-des-Calais. I presume that this build up started weeks before D-Day.

So, my question is...am I qualified for this build if I am doing a mock Sherman?

It is OK if I can't be included...because we have to be fair to everybody.

Thanks.