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  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Nashotah, WI
Posted by Glamdring on Tuesday, November 9, 2021 9:19 PM

Brilliant work on all the Spits.  I don't believe I have ever built one, even in my younger years of assembling an entire kit and then slosh some paint on it.  Or just skip the paint altogether because it was my least favorite part. 

Something new for the bucket list I guess!

The Invincible has moved forward and the initial paint coats laid down, all hand brushed.

Just had some minor bleeding along the black waterline, I must remask those spots and touch up.

I need to do something about the monotone gray flight deck, I am not terribly pleased with the way it looks.  Some subtle gray washes or dot filters should help make it look a little more visually stimulating, but depending on the reference photo the deck doesn't seem to need much added to the neutral gray.

Robert 

"I can't get ahead no matter how hard I try, I'm gettin' really good at barely gettin' by"

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, November 10, 2021 2:28 PM

Hull looks good Robert. Those big flat decks would deffinetly look better with some variation.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, November 10, 2021 4:49 PM

Harold: She's lookin' great!!! Always good to get the fuselage sealed up and the wings ready to add. 

Robert: Looks good! The bootstripping looks good from here. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    September 2018
  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Thursday, November 11, 2021 6:19 AM

Gamera
Harold: She's lookin' great!!! Always good to get the fuselage sealed up and the wings ready to add.

Thank you, Cliff, it did feel good to close the fuselage. This is my first aircraft model in a very long time, so I am taking it slow.

I worked on the wings last night and ready to start the landing gear next.

Harold

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, November 12, 2021 4:45 PM

Looks sharp Harold, almost ready for paint! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, November 13, 2021 2:37 PM

That is looking good Harold. Doesn't look like you had any fit issues.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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    September 2018
  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Sunday, November 14, 2021 1:36 PM

Bish

That is looking good Harold. Doesn't look like you had any fit issues.

 

Thank you, Cliff, and Bish. The Eduard kit is well engineered, so there are no major problems. I think that may be the reason Jack Geratic suggested Eduards to me. Originally, I was planning to purchase Tamiya or AirFix, but now I really like the way Eduard kits are made.

Bish I have taken some closeup photographs so you and Cliff can see the seams with my first coat of primer. I had a few places along seam lines where melted plastic from the Tamiya glue had to be removed with a hobby knife. And a few places that I filled with putty, but nothing major.

I am also trying a new technique with my air brush by using the needle limit to prevent me from getting to much paint in one spot. This forces me to spray a very light coat of paint which is what Vallejo recommends (several light coats) to achieve the desired color. It takes more time, but hopefuly more detail will be visable when I'm finished.

I used the closed canopy to protect the cockpit from overspray since I intend to have the canopy opened when I'm finish. I glued the closed canopy to the fuselage with a special glue from VMS in Poland. It can easily be removed, and the surface cleaned with another VMS product called Universal Weathering Carrier without damaging the paint.

I used these VMS products on my Matador windows with no issues. The glue remains soft for several days, but is strong enough to keep the canopy in place until I finish the exterior painting.

Harold

  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Nashotah, WI
Posted by Glamdring on Sunday, November 14, 2021 8:18 PM

I spent my weekend modeling time masking and painting deck lines, how about you?  Big Smile

Horizontals were on Saturday and lengthwise lines were on Sunday.  I used about a quarter of a roll of Tamiya tape masking and remasking this project thusfar.  

The end approaches though:

Not sure how well it shows given my arm shadow, but I added some neutral gray to the deck in some spots to give a mildly weathered appearance.  It's more apparent in person, and looks quite nice in person if I do say so myself.  It still needs some more tweaking though.

Robert 

"I can't get ahead no matter how hard I try, I'm gettin' really good at barely gettin' by"

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, November 15, 2021 9:30 AM

Robert, the effort has paid off. The amrkings look really nice and i do like how you have weathered the deck.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, November 15, 2021 9:35 AM

Those seams look good even in close. I always struggle and there is always at least one spot on an aircraft i have missed. Thats the good thing about armour.

I've built one Eduard 72nd Aircraft and it was amazing, a nice liitle Hellcat. They have earnt and very nice reputation.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, November 15, 2021 5:29 PM

Robert: That looks great! I know what you mean about driving yourself crazy masking but the results look fantastic! 

Harold: I don't see any seams on the nose just a small one on the lower tail. You're going better than I was. I had to putty and sand the krap outta my Hasegawa Spit. I think I assembled something the wrong way, I've built the kit before and didn't have the same problem. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Nashotah, WI
Posted by Glamdring on Monday, November 15, 2021 5:53 PM

Thanks guys, it was well worth the effort.  The kit used raised lines for it rather than decals.  A more dedicated person would have shaved them off before painting, but that isn't me!

Robert 

"I can't get ahead no matter how hard I try, I'm gettin' really good at barely gettin' by"

GAF
  • Member since
    June 2012
  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Monday, November 15, 2021 9:05 PM

Robert and Harold,

Great work, both of you!

Gary

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    September 2018
  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Monday, November 15, 2021 9:21 PM

Gamera
Harold: I don't see any seams on the nose just a small one on the lower tail. You're going better than I was. I had to putty and sand the krap outta my Hasegawa Spit. I think I assembled something the wrong way, I've built the kit before and didn't have the same problem.

Thank you, Bish, Cliff and Gary. Gary, how are you doing health wise?

Cliff You're right there is a small seam that needs attention on the lower side of the tail. I didn't think it would show, but it does.

I applied two coats of Vallejo #71.302 Sky Type S to the lower surface of wings and fuselage, and it came out ok, but in the process of removing the masking tape I peeled off a little surface primer that will need to be touch up.

I gave the Vallejo #73.601 Grey Surface Primer 12-hours to dry, and I cleaned the plastic with 70% Isopropyl Alcohol before primer, but I think the primer needed more time to harden. My studio seems very humid today and we had a lot of warm rain the past few days, so that might have affected the drying time.

One afterthought is maybe I should have painted the entire airplane with Sky colour, then earth brown rather than masking off sections, but I have been trying to keep the paint buildup to a minimum to preserve as much detail as possible.

Harold

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, November 15, 2021 10:09 PM

Looks good Harold, at least the chipped area is somewhere it isn't terribly visible. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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    December 2002
  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, November 17, 2021 10:14 PM

Seargeant, I usually paint the bottom of the airplane last, as it is is easier to have a loose mask at the edge when I paint the bottom so I get a soft demarcation between the colors.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

  • Member since
    September 2018
  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Wednesday, November 17, 2021 11:11 PM

jeaton01

Seargeant, I usually paint the bottom of the airplane last, as it is is easier to have a loose mask at the edge when I paint the bottom so I get a soft demarcation between the colors.

 

Thank you Cliff, I am working on that lower tail seam.

John, I should have asked before going ahead with the Sky colour, but I remembered someone saying to paint the lightest colors first, so my lightest colour was Sky and then Dark Brown and Dark Green.

I do understand what you are saying about a soft demarcation between upper and lower surface colours, so at this point I will see what happens by simply masking the Sky colour when applying the Dark Brown and Dark Green. If necessary I can create a softer demarcation after the darker paint is on by very lightly sanding the demarcation with 1,000 grit sand paper and then apply an addition coat of Sky if necessary.

The satin varnish I apply to seal the paint and decals may also help to soften that transition. Another idea that was given to me is to apply a small line of masking putty to the edge of the Sky colour areas. The painted edge created by masking putty tends to be softer than masking tape.

Thanks for your suggestion John, as I mentioned before this is my first aircraft model in a very long time.

Harold

 

GAF
  • Member since
    June 2012
  • From: Anniston, AL
Posted by GAF on Thursday, November 18, 2021 10:47 AM

Harold> Good idea about the putty.  I've used it to soften the demarcation line and it works.

As for me, I'm doing fine.  I'm taking 3 blood thinners so I have to watch an accidental cut.  It's amazing how much blood a small cut can leak out, which mean being careful about the x-acto!  Thanks for asking!

Gary

  • Member since
    September 2018
  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Thursday, November 18, 2021 6:32 PM

GAF

Harold> Good idea about the putty.  I've used it to soften the demarcation line and it works.

As for me, I'm doing fine.  I'm taking 3 blood thinners so I have to watch an accidental cut.  It's amazing how much blood a small cut can leak out, which mean being careful about the x-acto!  Thanks for asking!

Gary

Good to hear you're doing fine Gary. Better to be on blood thinners than dealing with the alternative. Stay safe.

Cliff, I worked on the lower tail section, but depending on the lighting the seam still shows a little. I will let the paint dry overnight and decide in the morning if I want to keep working on the seam. Sometimes I can do more harm than good if I keep messing with a painted area.

Harold

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Friday, November 19, 2021 2:17 AM

Harold, i know what you mean, sometimes its better just to leave as is. I know if that was me, i would leave that seam, especially given where it is. The colour looks reall nice.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

  • Member since
    April 2014
  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Saturday, November 20, 2021 3:22 AM

 

Harold, the cockpit of your Mk II looks super, and thanks for all the research on the colours – that will be a great reference for my RAF builds coming up. The Eduard kit certainly comes together well. And the sky underside looks great to me. Yeah, I have a habit of trying to fix them up one time too many.

 

Cliff, the Mk VIII change of colour was quite marked, I think the colours in the matt/after picture are better than the original.

 

Andy, great result with the paintwork on the Mk 1a – the one shot primer seems to work really well. And those decals look fantastic.

 

Robert, you have got a bit of work done there straightening out the Invincible. And I am amazed by the great results you have achieved with hand painting.

 

Gary, nice work on your Mk Ia, really like the display base and hope you are going well.

 

Doing a bit more on the S.5 now that the RAAF Hawk is finished. I got the nose put together, and filled in and sanded down. Then I got the wings together and patched the poor moulding on the wing

 

  

 

Got the fuselage and wings together, the persuasion required broke open the nose again, so reglued before filling and sanding.

 

  • Member since
    April 2005
  • From: Australia
Posted by taxtp on Sunday, November 21, 2021 4:08 PM

Hi Bish,

I'd like to enter with an Airfix 1/72 Spitfire Mk 1a please.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

  • Member since
    April 2005
  • From: Australia
Posted by taxtp on Sunday, November 21, 2021 11:02 PM

Today's progress.

I have to get cracking as I would like to finish it by 31 December.

I have the intention of building a collection of RAF and RN types that were piloted by Australians. 

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Monday, November 22, 2021 3:40 AM

Got you added Tony.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, November 22, 2021 11:36 AM

Harold: That looks good! As the guys said, not sure I'd try to fiddle with that or not since it's not really visible.

Piers: Sure you don't need to invest in more clamps? All joking aside she's lookin' good. And probablyworking better than the jury-rigged stuff I've done with rubber bands, clothes pins, and tape.

Tony: You're making great progress, sure you'll have her done by the end of the year.

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    April 2020
  • From: West Texas
Posted by JBRaider on Thursday, November 25, 2021 11:00 AM

alot of impessive builds going on. I didn't realize that I haven't visited this GB in almost 2 months, I have got to do better about posting.

Anyway I was able to get started on my Mk IX.

The cockpit went together well but some of the PE is ridiculously small so I opted to skip alot of it.

Shot the primer this morning but don't have any pics for that yet.

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Thursday, November 25, 2021 2:57 PM

Nice progress there JB. I do like Eduard aircraft kits.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Nashotah, WI
Posted by Glamdring on Friday, November 26, 2021 8:10 PM

Given that everyone in my family was working on Thanksgiving, it gave me some uninterrupted model time.  

 

 

 

 

And it is currently setting up on the stand. 

 

 

Construction is mostly wrapped up now, just a couple small bits I was holding until it was on the stand.  The Harriers and choppers of course need to be added, as the last step.  Hoping to seal it tomorrow and start decaling on Sunday.

Robert 

"I can't get ahead no matter how hard I try, I'm gettin' really good at barely gettin' by"

  • Member since
    September 2018
  • From: Vancouver, Washington USA
Posted by Sergeant on Friday, November 26, 2021 8:19 PM

jeaton01

Seargeant, I usually paint the bottom of the airplane last, as it is is easier to have a loose mask at the edge when I paint the bottom so I get a soft demarcation between the colors.

 

Hello John, Bish, Gary, Lost, Robert, Tony, Cliff and JB. There is certainly a lot of activity on this GB. Robert your 'flattop' is looking great. I was a destroyer sailor during the Vietnam War but spent time on the USS Independence CV/CVA-62 during flight operations in the Mediterranean Sea. Love airplanes and aircraft carriers.

I wanted to show some progress I made the last few days. I would like any feedback on the transition between the Dark Earth Brown and Sky colour at the wings edge. Please see closeup picture below.

In an earlier post John mentioned softening the demarcation (transition) between the dark top colours and Sky colour underneath the wings. I have never done this before, so I would like some feed back on how it looks compared to other modeler's painting?

The next major step on this project is camouflage paint with Dark Green. I have the colour tested and ready, but the camouflage design will be my real test. The few times I have tried to paint camouflage have not gone very well. This time I will use a combination of small masking putty strings about the diameter of a pencil and masking fluid to fill the Dark Earth Brown spaces. The masking putty creates a softer line between the two colors compared to masking tape and that is the look I am trying to achieve.

Harold

 

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Friday, November 26, 2021 11:48 PM

For the question on demarcation lines between colours (concerning Spitfires), will start with a quote from Edgar Brooks and his research:

Supermarine used "stencil mats" from 1937, right through the war, so hard-edged, but not every M.U., or C.R.O. company had them, so camo, from them, could have been soft-edged. Anecdotal evidence gives a maximum of .5"-1" permissible overspray on top colours, with a maximum of 2" between upper and lower.

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234940809-spitfire-camo-demarcation-question/page/2/

So generally at 1/48 scale,  2 inch overspray is 1mm and half that for top surfaces.  There could be variations due to some circumstances as mentioned, but note too that early war tend to be very hard edge.  I'd suggest looking at photos from the squadron being represented in (1941?) for more definite idea.

Not sure the year of this photo, but Harold, looks close to what you have done on the leading edge;

 

regards,

Jack

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