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Formula One Group Build 2022 - CLOSED

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Posted by wpwar11 on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 6:45 PM

Hey Greg that's really nice of you to say.  Three years into my modleing journey I'm just trying to learn and make the next one better than the last model.  Over those three years you and so many other modelers have really helped me develop my skills.  I'm thrilled that I can give back and provide anyone with inspiration.   As modelers, isn't  inspiration the greatest gift we can give?  
You're right about those pointed swabs.  They stay tight way better than typical Q-tips.  I watched the video you posted above.  That's freaking amazing!  What a clever idea to use that as a guide for the model.  Bravo my friend.

Good luck the rest of the way.  

Paul 

 

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 6:13 PM

Paul,

Incidentally, if you can take one more comment after my long-winded essay above, I've been meaning to pass this along to you....

My comment on your finished build left me wishing I'd said more. I was in a rare, non-rambling mood that day.

Not only did you do a great job on your Lotus, and IMO you underestimate your accomplishment, you have no idea how much your work pushed me to do things with my Lotus that I hadn't really planned on.

When you commented that yours was your first racing engine plumbing job, that had a big impact on me and pushed me forward.

A sincere thank you for nudge. I've always wanted to detail an engine but never had the guts to try. Even if I mess up the rest of my build (which is quite possible), I still accomplished something new.

 

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 5:54 PM

John, thanks again for your ongoing support and encouragement!

wpwar11

How did you handle the raised "FORD" lettering on the engine?  It looks so clean and perfect.

 

Paul, thanks so much and I'm really glad you asked. I had never done that before and at the risk of not sounding very modest, I was stunned at how they turned out.

Trying to figure out how to do it, I found this youtube video of a 1:1 engine rebuilder/customer showing how he does it with the real ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA8MoBq1K1E

I simplified his process a bit for my model. I started by painting the valve covers with white 2k clear that I had just happened to buy. Then I sprayed the covers with MRP black. I don't remember if it was flat black or if I sprayed MRP flat clear over it.

The tricky part was how to wipe off the black? I used (see link below) tamiya triangular q-tip things (I love them, they come in so handy). I believe I used 91% iso on the cotton swabs and carefully wiped away the black to reveal the white lettering. But I think just about any solvent would have worked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA8MoBq1K1E

I especially liked that the black covers are flat, but the raised FORD lettering is gloss white.

The credit, far as I'm concerned, goes to the Tamiya cotton swabs. They are firm and hold their shape, unlike a Qtip. I can't recommend these things enough. I'm always using them for one thing or another. (great for aircraft canapy masking boo boo touchups, too).

In hindsight the 2k white may have been overkill, the standard dis-similar paint types probably would have worked. If I was doing it again tomorrow, I'd do the same, though.

You made my day by asking, thanks again, Paul!

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Posted by wpwar11 on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 3:00 PM

How did you handle the raised "FORD" lettering on the engine?  It looks so clean and perfect.

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Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 1:14 PM

Fuel lines look awesome Greg.  All the plumbing adds so much

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 11:15 AM

Feeling a bit sheepish posting an update after Ben's finished pics. Hard act to follow.

I believe I've finally finished the rear end.

A special thank you to RealG re the fuel lines. I didn't even know what they were, let alone where to go to find the clear brown tubing. I honestly didn't plan to use them on this model, but I started messing around with the tubing and it fit so well and scale was so good before I know it I had them installed. Most odd for me, I'm more likely to ponder something new like that for days (or weeks).

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Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 2:26 PM

Fantastic Ben!   The model is a work of art and the scene you have created is just awesome.  I put the last pic on the front page, let me know if you prefer a different pic.

Thanks,

John

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Posted by wpwar11 on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 2:17 PM

Stunning!  I also like the pic with all the silver arrows.  Brilliant is right! 

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Posted by Real G on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:09 PM

OMG Ben, that is simply smashing! Indifferent  Wundebar!  Ausgeziechnet!

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 7:58 AM

Ben, once in a while an effort deserves to be called 'brilliant', and this is one of those times.

So glad to see your racer on that awesome display base, and to say the flag man sets it all off is an understatement.

I recall trying a die cast kit as a youngster and it was beyond over my head. I literally didn't know where to start. I don't think I'd do a whole lot better now, and I truly in awe of what you did with your kit.

Thanks so much for all of the inspiration, and thanks so much for being a part of this group build. We've both been around here a while, it's nice to finally get to 'know' you a little better.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, September 19, 2022 10:56 PM

Simply outstanding, Ben!

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Project510 on Monday, September 19, 2022 10:17 PM

DRUMS01

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Love this build, and the display makes it come to life!

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- James

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Monday, September 19, 2022 7:08 PM

This is what I'm talking about, wpwar11's real nice looking Camel Lotus!; Greg showing his stuff on F1 detailing, keep it commin Greg!; RealG's work on the  Brabham; and everyone else representing well in this GB.

It has been a long time coming (at least for me) but the 36 Auto Union is ready for her final reveal. I could continue to drag on in every minute detail about the flag man, the base, the final details of the build, why I chose the black # 4 versus the red #22 provided in the kit, or several other last step items within the build, but I will let the images do the talking this time.

Here is how the car looked after rubber was mounted on all four corners and final details added under the front bonnet.

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This gives a good view of the front suspension and grill.

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Here is the view that most every other racer saw when competing against it.

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In this photo you can see the determination on the drivers face, a man on a mission.

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This is the flag man who was once a modern F1 team manager. I think the rather easy conversion turned out really neat.

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And these are some neat photos at the family reunion, or should I say Family Auto-re-Union.

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The display base after the remaining layers and redtails were added then the routed edges painted black.

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And now, drum roll please, this is my completed 1/20 1936 Auto Union molded by Revival. If you have followed the whole thread you will know the amount of scratch building, modifying, and build issues associated with this kit. Because of the mixed media, fit issues, and in some cases extremely small parts, I would only recommend this kit to veteran builders experienced with older die-cast kits, that want to have a challenge. Nuff said, here it is: 

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Thanks to everyone who pushed and encouraged me through this build. Also, thanks to everyone who followed and commented during the process. I believe this is going to be my last Revival build, but at least it came out some what presentable. Now I'm excited that I get to participate in one or more new Group Builds.

Ben / DRUMS01 

"Everyones the normal until you get to know them" (Unknown)

PROJECTS:

1/25 MPC 4-4-0 Steam Locomotive (WIP)

1/16 Andy's Sherman M4A3E8 - DONE

1/32 Revell Arado Ar 196-B Seaplane - DONE - (GB)

1/350 Tamiya Yamato - DONE - (GB)

1/20 Revival Auto Union - DONE - (GB)

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Posted by wpwar11 on Monday, September 19, 2022 2:30 PM

Greg,

I'm pleased to have completed my F1 model.  Adding details like wire, hoses, connectors, etc. was a challenge and I'm happy it's over.  However, when I look at your work I'm excited to try it all again.  It really is very convincing.  Super job.
Good luck with the exhaust.  I always find that part of the build a little tricky.  Several pieces have to align with other assemblies that are tough to dry fit first.  I had some luck using PVA glue to hold some parts temporarily in place that may need adjusting.  Once I was happy with alignment I went back with thin CA or extra thin for a stronger bond.  

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Posted by Greg on Monday, September 19, 2022 2:01 PM

Project510

 @Greg Excellent! Did they (Spot Model) send you a shipping update email with tracking? I have yet to receive one.

 

They did not.

I paid via paypal, and got confirmation email from paypal. There was no tracking info. I can log in to Spot Model and see my order, but no tracking info.

Perhaps if I had used a different shipping method, I don't know.

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Posted by Project510 on Monday, September 19, 2022 1:43 PM

 @Greg Excellent! Did they (Spot Model) send you a shipping update email with tracking? I have yet to receive one.

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Posted by Greg on Monday, September 19, 2022 11:59 AM

SpotModel update for James:

Received my first order, placed 9-8, today (9-19). Nicely packaged, packing list double checked by a real person, with a nice welcome to SpotModel note. I'm very happy all around.

I should have ordered some cloth seat belts (for next year) as advised by Paul....I didn't think of it!!

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Posted by Greg on Monday, September 19, 2022 8:34 AM

Thanks so much, John.

The braided line and connectors from Detail Masters was a big step for me and my confidence. If I provided some incentive to you, that's a great start to my day for sure!

My three major lessons learned with the braided wire were:

1. Paint and slide BOTH connectors onto the braided line, secure in the middle with masking tape so they don't fall off. When you get to attaching the second end, you'll be glad that connector you are trying to connect is already slid onto the braided hose!!

2. Use extremely small amounts of extra thin CA and wicking action to secure the hose to the connectors and the assy to the model. On the second connection end, I wised up and used those tiny little fuzzy ended plastic sticks to apply the CA, what a diffence it made compared to the first end, where I used too much CA.....but luckily got away with it.

3. Use something more substantial for the mounting posts than styrene rod. (you actually alluded to that a couple months ago when I scratch built a hose connector I lost from music wire. I should have paid better attention!!!!

EDIT: to all of you reading this who are old hands at plumbing engines, I beg your forgiveness. I tried something new and made it more or less work and I'm all excited. I know this is all old news to you.

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Posted by keavdog on Monday, September 19, 2022 8:15 AM

Looks fantastic Greg.  Great details.  I have one failed experiment I tried with the braided fuel lines on a dragster a few years back.  Your work here is quite encouraging - I'll have to give it another go.

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Greg on Monday, September 19, 2022 8:09 AM

I finally got the rear end assy done, with my biggest hangup being what to do with the ends of the braided hoses I installed. Here's a refresher pic from a few weeks back...

As I mentioned before, no idea where the other ends would go. I don't like using another model for reference pics, but sometimes that's the best I can find. Below you can see a couple of pics from a Model Factory Hiro kit Lotus rear end I found, printed a couple 4x6's and put on the bench for guidance and incentive....

A couple pics of the finished rear end assy....

Installing the other end of the braided hose with the connectors was a different animal than the first end. Most of you following this thread have done it so you know what I mean. I was extremely happy to get those three lines attached last night. Actually tied up three loose ends, literally!!! Wink

I switched to copper wire instead of my .035" styrene rod for attaching the quick disconnect fittings to the model for strength as I broke one of the first 3 connections at the first end. I thought the unpainted copper added some interest so I took some artistic license and didn't paint it.

Next I have to install the exhaust, and test fitting is not going so well. Bang Head

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, September 18, 2022 3:54 PM

Project510
Greg, Because of the difficulty mentioned here, I ordeed 3 sets so I will have extra if any of us need it. But yea lets see what happens.

Now that's what I call planning ahead. Smart move, plus shipping from over yonder is expensive.

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Posted by Project510 on Sunday, September 18, 2022 3:47 PM

Greg

Thanks for the info, James. I had looked again later at SpotModel, saw the brown tubing back in stock, and placed my first order with them. Mine shipped 9-8, let's try to remember to keep each other updated on delivery.

I recieved my first order from Spain, from Gravity Colors a few weeks ago. I was amazed how fast my paint arrived from them. Don't recall the shipping method I chose, though.

 

 
Greg, Because of the difficulty mentioned here, I ordeed 3 sets so I will have extra if any of us need it. But yea lets see what happens.

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:39 AM

Ben, I almost had to laugh when you showed that you are on step 6. Your vintage racer is so full of intricate details, and complicated by design that it hit me as funny that all happened in 5 steps of directions. Smile

Your model is going to look very good on that dio base, I think. And definitely deserving of special display.

By the way, in an earlier post you mentioned exhausts being challenging to line up in open-engine style race cars. I just discovered that last night and I'm a little scared to go try to tackle the challenge this morning! With my last Formula I style model being the big scale Tamiya Lotus 49 in the late 60's, I suppose I dealt with it before, but I don't remember.

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:33 AM

Paul, way to go on your Lotus. I like everything about it, it's a very clean build filled with so many cool details. YesYesYes

I'm so glad to have been able to share your first GB here with you. I still have fond memories of my first GB here. Hope we are both able to do the next one, as planned.

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:27 AM

Project510

 

 
Greg

G,

Thanks for the info on the clear brown tubing. I'm having trouble with ordering it from SpotModel, and it is out of stock at HiroBoy. Where did you get yours?

I'll be back with a proper reply to other things later. Smile

 

 

I randomly tried to order this from SpotModel and it was listed as in Stock. I guess we will find out in 4-7 days. 

 

Thanks for the info, James. I had looked again later at SpotModel, saw the brown tubing back in stock, and placed my first order with them. Mine shipped 9-8, let's try to remember to keep each other updated on delivery.

I recieved my first order from Spain, from Gravity Colors a few weeks ago. I was amazed how fast my paint arrived from them. Don't recall the shipping method I chose, though.

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Posted by Project510 on Saturday, September 17, 2022 10:20 PM

Greg

G,

Thanks for the info on the clear brown tubing. I'm having trouble with ordering it from SpotModel, and it is out of stock at HiroBoy. Where did you get yours?

I'll be back with a proper reply to other things later. Smile

I randomly tried to order this from SpotModel and it was listed as in Stock. I guess we will find out in 4-7 days. 

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- James

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Posted by wpwar11 on Saturday, September 17, 2022 4:00 PM

No problem with the pic John.  I really enjoyed my first group build.  I would happily do another F1 or other car racing series.  I actually spent some of my afternoon researching car racing kits.  Any excuse to buy another model right?

The silver washers came with the Studio 27 set.  I also used a few other parts.  It also has seat belts but I prefer the fabric belts.  

 

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Posted by Real G on Saturday, September 17, 2022 2:33 PM

Wpwar11,

That's beautiful!  Congratulations on crossing the finish line!  How did you do the round washer thingies on the carbon fiber nose?

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, September 17, 2022 1:33 PM

Fantastic Paul!  That turned out great and the colors look awesome.  I put pic #2 on the front page, let me know if you want to use a different one.  

Thanks,

John

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Posted by wpwar11 on Saturday, September 17, 2022 9:19 AM

The Lotus has crossed the finish line.  It certainly won't be first among the the other builds here but I'm reasonably happy with the effort.  Studio 27 detail set, upgraded belts, added hoses, wires, etc.  MRP paints and Tamiya spray can Camel yellow for the body parts.  Criticism is certainly welcome.  Thanks for looking.  See you guys at the checkered flag.  

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