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HELICOPTERS - UH60 (Black)(Pave) Hawk (OPEN END)

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Posted by Trigger on Monday, November 8, 2004 11:34 AM
So I'm kinda curious - how's everyone else coming along with their kits?
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Posted by Trigger on Thursday, November 4, 2004 1:53 PM
Well, the design of my decals are 99.9% done; I'm just waiting for one final approval before I output them. Avus, I've started on yours.

Oh yeah, heh heh. No, I'm nowhere NEAR decaling right now...
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Posted by Mogwa on Saturday, October 30, 2004 10:06 PM
Hey, for all you MH guys out there heres a nice shot someone posted on ARC today.



Good one of a navy seahag, seahawg, errr whatever they call them over there Big Smile [:D] in the same post.
Anyways if anyone wants a detail pic of something UH-60 lemme know and I'll post it.
Mog
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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:54 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mogwa
How sad is it that I have pics of Blackhawk floors?....


I wouldn't mind seeing some interior shots

And having floor pix ain't nothin'. I'm just glad the Blackhawk doesn't have a toilet. Now those pix would be sad. Big Smile [:D]
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
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Posted by Mogwa on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:54 PM
Heres the deal for the floor as far as Ive ever seen. The floor gets masked off by the crewchief with regular old 3 inch masking tape and hes just eyeballing the interval. The walkway coumpound (anti skid) is black so he has a grey and black stripped floor. Eventually he'll panit the floor and just paint the whole thing grey as he wont have the time or inclination to remask it. Some guys hate the stipes and paint it as soon as the anti skid dries. Theres no standard. We just got a bird back from 'stan and the whole cabin was spray painted black, walls and all. So there ya go, army aviation maintenance secrets. Big Smile [:D] I have floor pics if you want I'll post one.
Mog
PS How sad is it that I have pics of Blackhawk floors?....
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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:37 PM
Thanks. Will those dimensions work in 1/35 scale? I'll probably just hit it all with gray and leave it there since I've seen Hawks with all gray floors and skid tape as well as black-tape-on-gray-floors.
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Posted by adrake2 on Monday, October 18, 2004 2:55 PM
I cut stripes of masking tape about .06 inches wide then spaced them apart .10 inches and brushed on a thick coat of black paint. After it dried, I remove the tape and dry brushed Dark Gull Gray, paying attention to heavy traveled areas (i.e. gunners' positions, spaces between the seats, etc.) so they would look worn down.
-Aaron
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Posted by Trigger on Monday, October 18, 2004 2:19 PM
I've given up on the DML crew. I'll try them out with those Eggs now. I started on the FRIES rig way back when...

Adrake, how are you handling the anti-skid strips? I'm thinking of just painting masking tape, trimming it to size and applying it. to the floor.
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Posted by adrake2 on Monday, October 18, 2004 2:13 PM
I've got most of the interior put together and painted (with the anti-skid stripes painted and worn down with some dry brushing). I'm trying to get the crew (DML US Helicopter Crew, Vietnam) to fit correctly but the door gunners are giving me a few problems. I've installed some structure below the gunner's windows. Finally, I scratch-built the FRIES gear and rapelling rings to busy up the cabin roof.
I really should invest in a digital camera! Blush [:I]
-Aaron
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Posted by Mogwa on Monday, October 18, 2004 12:30 PM
Thanks Trigg, I went ahead and just ordered the set. Theres is so much I'd like to change / modify / fix on this kit,but I will be lucky to just finish it. I spent all morning just looking at a pilots seat thats out on a bench getting rebuilt thinking, "yeah I could scratchbuild this...." I have some pics I will throw up here, maybe tonite when I get home.
Mog
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Posted by Trigger on Monday, October 18, 2004 6:39 AM
These are from his Pave Hawk set and some of the details will probably be different, but the level of quality should be the same. I'm very happy with these parts.




BTW - How's everyone else coming along with their Hawks?
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
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Posted by Mogwa on Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:00 PM
If anyone has the cobra UH-60 detail set, could you post a pic of the Instrument panel ( looking for detail shot of instruments, and the top or what would be seen from looking in through the windshield) or if you have the set with the inlets post a pic of those? It doesnt matter if its painted or installed or not, I'd just like to get a better look then I do from his website.
Thanks,
Mog
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Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:20 PM
I ordered my Cobra stuff directly from him. Sent him a money order and it arrived within a week or two. And don't worry about being busy. There's plenty of that going around!
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
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Posted by Mogwa on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:45 PM
Well, despite an redoubling my efforts to lay into my hawk, the real army's Blackhawks and school at night are winning the battle. The closest I've gotten in 4 days is seeing the box tonite from across the room. Oh well, theres always tommorow...
Anyway heres what I really wanted. Do you guys order your stuff direct from cobra or do you get it somewhere else? Instead of fixin some stuff by scratchbuilding, I might need to just let resin do the trick.
Lemme know
Mog
PS if anyone fixes 1/1 scale Blackhawks, I made up a set of plans for a tool to use in installing the T/R blades if anyones interested. Its probably not original but it helps speed up things when im T.I.-ing guys work
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Posted by Trigger on Monday, October 11, 2004 9:07 PM
For those building a Pave hawk and were't too crazy about reproducing the Air Force's new blue tiger-stripe camos for their PJs or ground crew...

Uniform board incorporates feedback, alters design
by Tech. Sgt. David A. Jablonski
Air Force Print News

10/8/2004 - WASHINGTON -- Based on feedback from the six-month wear test, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. John P. Jumper decided to expand the current test program to include a pixelated tiger-striped pattern in a new color scheme on the proposed utility uniform.

The expansion does not involve a full test; instead, there will be a limited production to test pattern and color, said Senior Master Sgt. Jacqueline Dean, the uniform board superintendent.

”The color scheme is only one of many improvements we are testing,” Sergeant Dean said.

A small, select group of testers will wear the newest pattern. The solid tiger-striped pattern with its dominant blue overtones is gone. The latest pixelated test pattern has a more subdued color scheme and is not nearly as distinctive as the one unveiled at the start in August 2003; yet it provides the distinctiveness Airmen have requested, officials said.

“We have sufficient input from Airmen throughout the Air Force to ensure that our uniform decisions are on target with regard to wear, ease of maintenance and fit,” Sergeant Dean said. “We kept hearing throughout the test that Airmen loved the wash-and-wear feature and the fit. The design of the uniform will essentially stay the same, with minor modifications based [on] the wear-testers’ recommendations.”

General Jumper will announce the final decisions regarding the new utility uniform once the test data are analyzed and presented. Determination is expected within the next two months, officials said.

The new design represents a uniform that could be universally worn in all environments, Sergeant Dean said. The unique fit and design will remain the same, as Air Force officials said they want a distinctive uniform for Airmen that fits better and is easier and less expensive to maintain.

“There really wasn’t much that Airmen didn’t like about the design of the uniform,” she said, basing her comment on the large volume of feedback the board received via e-mail, surveys, focus groups and online questionnaires. “We really did capture what they needed and what they wanted.

“The chief of staff listened to the Airmen,” Sergeant Dean said. “We asked what they wanted in a uniform, what they needed in a uniform and, as a result, this is exactly what we’re getting.”
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
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Posted by Avus on Monday, October 11, 2004 2:28 AM
That's perfect, Mogwa! Thanks a lot!
Welcome to this GB.
I am also pretty far behind so I'll have to catch up a lot on you guys!

I have the GB-badge on my own Image account so don't worry about me Trigger74.

Klaus

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Posted by Trigger on Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:16 PM
Hey everyone, it looks like I've got to do a little housecleaning on my image server soon. Reorganize, streamline and such. How many of ya'lls S-70 GB badges are linked to that page? They may need to be re-linked and I want to minimize the hassle.

BTW - welcome aboard Mogwa
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
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Posted by Mogwa on Sunday, October 10, 2004 12:39 PM
Ok here it is. Click the pic. It looks much better then it does in my post.




HTH
Mog
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Posted by Trigger on Sunday, October 10, 2004 8:43 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mogwa

Hey Trigger,
Just saw the post about the Antennae thing. The deal is Im talking only about regular old Army line unit 60s. The USAF is a different story. Guys like task force flying MH's could have anything on there acft, but the assualt batts get pretty much the same mods and need approval from way on high to have much else. Besides we're to poor for all that fancy stuff. hehe Anyway when is the end date for this GB ? Id like to get in, but im crunched for time at the moment. Will be better by the end of the month, so if theres enough time left I'll dive in.someone lemme know...

Thanks
Mog


Regarding the antennae thing: Yeah, that's what I figured. I only know more about the AF -60s than the Army's birds and I didn't want to sound like I was commenting about all S-70 models.

This GB ends 1 December 04. Check out my last in progress pic post, I haven't done a whole lot since then, so if you jump on board now, you won't be the only one here playing catch up. Big Smile [:D]

P.S. - Sad [:(] I still haven't found those 'nooga airshow pix from '92, but I know I snapped a few pix of that Dustoff and some of 'em had the flight crew milling about!
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Posted by Avus on Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:37 AM
Thanks a lot Mogwa!
One thing only: could you show us a bigger version of the main gear scheme. You can read "DIUS" on the left; I suppose it's "RADIUS" and that could be very helpful.

Actually I won't be using this information on this GB but for my BHD-Dio wich I will start, when ... the next year ?!

Klaus

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Posted by Mogwa on Saturday, October 9, 2004 8:42 PM
Hey Trigger,
Just saw the post about the Antennae thing. The deal is Im talking only about regular old Army line unit 60s. The USAF is a different story. Guys like task force flying MH's could have anything on there acft, but the assualt batts get pretty much the same mods and need approval from way on high to have much else. Besides we're to poor for all that fancy stuff. hehe Anyway when is the end date for this GB ? Id like to get in, but im crunched for time at the moment. Will be better by the end of the month, so if theres enough time left I'll dive in.someone lemme know...
BTW here is a pic or two showing the distance in inches that the gear can move during a high intensity landing (crash) and in flight. Any ?s lemme know. HTH everyone

MAIN GEAR





TAIL GEAR




Thanks
Mog
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Posted by Trigger on Friday, October 8, 2004 10:17 AM
Those are cool, they'd work better than the old DML Helicoptor crew. Have you ever bought from them before?
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
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Posted by Avus on Thursday, October 7, 2004 11:05 AM
Looking around i stumbled on a Blackhawk Crew (in 1/35):



It's made by a french company Nemrod; their page is here:
www.historex.com

Thought this might iterest some of you. With some modifications they coud fit my diorama.

Klaus

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Posted by Trigger on Thursday, September 30, 2004 6:10 PM
Thanks Avus

I was down in Atlanta this past weekend and I saw some of your unit-of-choice's herks and Hawks sitting out the latest hurricane on the Dobbins ramp. I couldn't tell the Hawk's colors from the angle and distance, but was still cool nontheless.

I finally found my resin front control panel, so that little delay can be overcome and I can get back in gear...
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Posted by Avus on Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:57 AM
Party [party] I'VE GOT THEM ... I'VE GOT THEM! Party [party]
Today I got my ammo chutes!!!
Now I'll have to catch up with you guys. Maybe this sunday I'll get the Pavehawk out of the box again and continue my work on it.
BTW nice work Trigger74 and balta1.

Klaus

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Posted by balta1 on Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:33 PM
Okay, I'm done with the cockpit now I just need to finish the rest. I just need to do some more drybrushing and I'll jump over to the rotors.

Stir not the bitterness in the cup I have mixed for myself!

 

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Posted by Avus on Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:47 AM
I know I said that I'd post some pics, but i'm trying to complete my Hind before starting on the Pavehawk. If all goes well i should be done this week-end.

BTW next week i should get those Censored [censored] ammo chutes I've been waiting for!
Keeping my fingers crossed!

Klaus

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Posted by Trigger on Monday, September 13, 2004 10:48 AM
I didn't get much work done last weekend since it was a holiday here in the States. Tried to make up for it this past weekend. Pix are a little poor since I was borrowing a new digital camera and trying to work out the bugs in it.


-Aft view of cockpit. Dry fitting the aft console and seats. Seats, center and aft console are from the Cobra Company Pave Hawk detail kit. I'm going to have some trouble fitting the right seat's collective. The black is Tamiya's NATO black, which while not as light as Aircraft Interior Black, has a slight off-black tint to it and is slightly faded. It looks great on my 1/72 MH-101's rotor blades There's going to be a lot of dry-brushing in here too.


- Forward view of the same. I'll paint/detail the seats, collective and consoles each individually before installing them. Space is tight and I'm wondering if my helicopter crew will fit inside. After I'm done up front, I'll finish up the aft cabin.


- Interior Ceiling. I've begun detailing it with sheet styrene, strip styrene and Eduard's photoetch details. Will cut out holes in some area of the top and box off those areas. Not sure if I'll install wire clusters or not. Very complex area that I'm not looking forward to detailing but hopefully should be worth the effort.
- Tail Rotor. Basically this is assembled. There may be a few Eduard's parts to install, but I'll probably paint it this week.
- Main Rotor Head. Dry fit here, most assembly and some detailing completed. This is more complex than the tail rotor, but hope to have this done within the next week or two, including painting.
- Cowling, fore and aft. Installed Eduard's details.


- Fuselage. Some photo-etched details


- Interior Fuel Tank. My first big mistake - the 210th RQS usually flies with only one of these installed, not both. Good news is, I can steal the parts from my DAP kit to make a single tank with.
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
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Posted by DanCooper on Monday, September 13, 2004 2:17 AM
To bad we don't have the discovery-channel here Sigh [sigh]

On the bench : Revell's 1/125 RV Calypso

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Posted by Trigger on Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:16 PM
FYI - The NYANG's 106th RQS will be featured on the Discovery Wings channel this week:

"Last Hope at Sea"
Tuesday, Sept. 14, at 9 p.m.
Repeat: Wednesday, Sept. 15 at 8 am

http://wings.discovery.com/tuneins/lasthope.html

Should get so see plenty of Pave Hawks, Herks and PJs in action
------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."
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