HELICOPTERS - UH60 (Black)(Pave) Hawk (OPEN END)

In the Block 152 USAF Pave Hawks, "The flush mounted VHF/FM antenna on the leading edge of the vertical tail was deleted along with the VHF/FM homing antennas located aft of the pilot and co-pilot's doors (black vertical towel rack looking antenna). These were deleted due to the instalation of a new VHF-AM/FM whip antenna on top of the vertical tail, and is easily distinguishable due to the lack of black paint on the forward leading edge of the vertical fin (even though some of the fin leading edges are still painted black even when the antenna has been removed)."

and...

"SATCOM was also added, and in future Pavehawks I'm told that the HF antenna along the left lower tail boom (long towel rack) will be removed due to SATCOM taking over the long range secure Comm role"

(Many thanks to Salbando for that info.)

That's why Mogwa's seeing somethine else on his Hawks. BTW - Mogwa, are you participating in this buid?

QUOTE: don't know if this is right for all the Hawk-variaties, but in the Academy-kit for the Pave-Hawk there are three antennas namely the vertical front of the gunners, the horizontal on the left tailboom, and the dish aft the rotor assembly. The instructions say to install all three of the antennas but only one should be installed because in reality, they are just improvements, when they installed a new type, the older one was removed

Dan, Im not sure this is correct, at least as far as US Army 60s go. Im a hawk fixer in the Army and heres what I know. The gunners window antennae is the DF ant. and is on all hawks. The ant running the length of the tail cone is the HF ant and is being installed as an MWO on all the fleet and the"dish" ant on the APU doors is installed on some birds as required, so they all have different purposes and arent removed.
Mog

QUOTE: Originally posted by DanCooper To the hawk-builders ...... I don't know if this is right for all the Hawk-variaties, but in the Academy-kit for the Pave-Hawk there are three antennas namely the vertical front of the gunners, the horizontal on the left tailboom, and the dish aft the rotor assembly. The instructions say to install all three of the antennas but only one should be installed because in reality, they are just improvements, when they installed a new type, the older one was removed

Yeah, I think that has something to do with the block standards, at least on the USAF's HH-60Gs doesn't it? I'll have to look thru my notes.

I picked up Squadron's UH-60 Walk Around yesterday, but haven't had a chance to go thru it. Also ya'll might want to look out for a book from Steve Tomajczyk simply titled "Black Hawk." It's pretty current and covers all of the American S-70 variants - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0760315914/qid=1094520262/sr=ka-2/ref=pd_ka_2/103-2513527-3964642

Well, here is my first pic. I haven't got much yet, but I'm always slow in the beginning

To the hawk-builders ......

I don't know if this is right for all the Hawk-variaties, but in the Academy-kit for the Pave-Hawk there are three antennas namely the vertical front of the gunners, the horizontal on the left tailboom, and the dish aft the rotor assembly.
The instructions say to install all three of the antennas but only one should be installed because in reality, they are just improvements, when they installed a new type, the older one was removed

And yes... the first pic has arrived, good start Albert, you're already a head of me , I hope to be able to post my first pic tomorrow...

Here's my first in-prog pic. I may remove the seat mounts and attempt to make new mounts from styrene rod, just have to get past my laziness. Seeing as the doors will be closed, I'm not sure if it will be worth it.



Cheers,
Albert

Yeah, but I guess that's because they can't print the instruction multi-layerd on the paper

QUOTE: Originally posted by DanCooper At the moment I haven't done as much as I would liked. I'm working in the cockpit, but I do not follow the same sequence as in the manual, so for me that is not step 4, but step 2. I'll post my first pics, somewhere during the weekend. btw, mine will be without AM.

There are steps and sequences?

At the moment I haven't done as much as I would liked. I'm working in the cockpit, but I do not follow the same sequence as in the manual, so for me that is not step 4, but step 2.
I'll post my first pics, somewhere during the weekend.

btw, mine will be without AM.

Yup, that's the shot I remember and that's pretty close to the cropping I would have used (I would have pulled back a little, but that's just me). Looks fine to me.

I sent you two psd files? Man, I need a vacation BAD!

I started on mine last night, applying Eduard and Cobra Co. details. There's not much I can do until I clean up my work bench. I'll post some pix up this weekend.

Thanks Trigger74!

As you can see I made my badge, but I don't know if I'll keep it because you can hardly see the helo.
On the other hand it is the picture that inspired the diorama I want to make (as you said before Trigger).
What do you guys think: is it appropriate as a GB badge?

Hi Trigger,
Great looking Yanshuf GB banner! Thank you!

Last night was spent adding some Eduard photo-etched goodies to the cockpit, I'll take a pic and post it later on today when I get home from work. I hope to have the cockpit and troop area ready for paint this weekend. My big query right now is finding out what type of gun(s) the Israelis arm their Blackhawks with. I'm not sure if they use the same type found on other H-60/S-70 variants or if they arm them with indegenious made weapons. I'm hoping they carry 7.62 M134 Miniguns, as that would look tough.

Cheers,
Albert

Avus
Hopefully that e-mailed .psd corrected my earlier oversight.

Adrake
I'll keep an eye out for a Grayhawk and if I find anything I'll share it.

Trigger,
There are six(?) pics of Prime Chance Greyhawks in the SEAL book, but they're all b&w. As for OPC Greyhawks, I couldn't find anything on them either. Even the reading material is vague at best.

Nevermind not thinking of me Trigger74.
Could you please send me the .psd file, so I can do what YOU should have done!!!Thanks!

albymoore welcome! If I guessed your quote right, you like Stagate SG-1.

Thanks guys, I appreciate it! Time to get busy.

Cheers,
Albert

Thanks Avus. D'OH! That's right, you're building a 301st bird and I know the photograph you're basing it off of too! I totally should have done a Pave Hawk badge with that image! The original file for these is a layered Photoshop 10 .psd. I can e-mail that to you if it's easier for you to modify. I had no idea there were going to be so many Pave Hawks! Do I need to post some more Pave badges?

Adrake - Buddy, I know you'd probably love to have a Grayhawk up there and I'd like for you to. That grainy image is all I could find online. If you know where a better shot can be found, let me know (I ordered a copy of the SEAL book from Amazon, but it's not scheduled to ship until later this week - are there Grayhawk pix in that?)

And Albymoore, if you'd rather use a different Yanshuf pic than what I've got now you can e-mail the image (or a link to it) you'd prefer. Welcome to the build.

And that goes for everyone else - if you've got a pic you'd rather have on yours, just let me know!

More than welcome albymoore, you can choose a badge from Trigger's site, or ask him for a specific one

Wow! Trigger74 that's a hell of a work! Well done!
I'll use your template for the MH-60G changing only the pic.

Hey Dan,

I know the GB starts tomorrow, but is it too late to join? I have a 1/48th scale Blackhawk I would like to contribute. It would be an Israeli UH-60L Yanshuf 3 using parts from the Italeri MH-60G and RoG MH-60L. Markings are from Isradecal. Please LMK.

Thanks,
Albert

Aaron


- That's the only pic of a Grayhawk I have. If you have a better shot, kick it over to me and I'll update this.


- Better Velcro hawk, but the wrong color

the rest of the icons are up at: http://homepage.mac.com/grant_little/PhotoAlbum5.html

Trigger,
I love the idea. I'd like a badge for the MH-60A that I'm building, but not only do I not have photo-editing software, but I don't even have a functional computer. A speaker landed on my laptop and crushed the screen , so I'd be very grateful if you could hook me up with one of them widescreen badges.
Once I get my computer back (not sure how when yet) I'll post some pics. Anyone know of a good yet low-cost digital camera?

Last bit of campaigning here then I'll shut up - I'm not too worried if someone doesn't have the software or knowledge to create their own. I can kick out a whole set to represent just about every member of the Hawk family and post them tonight.

"S-70/H-60" (using the Blue one as the image)
UH-60A/L (using the Blue one as the image)
UH-60Q "Dustoff"
MH-60A "Velcro Hawk"
MH-60L DAP
MH-60K "Kilo"
MH-/HH-60G "Pave Hawk"
HH-60J "Jayhawk"
SH-60B "Seahawk"
SH-60F "Seahawk"
SH-60J "Seahawk"
HH-60H "Seahawk"
VH-60 "Whitehawk"
MH-60S (Is anyone even building one of these?)
(Did I leave anyone out?)

If someone doesn't have an image or can't get one to me in time, I already have or can get pix of all the above. I usually have to crank out a lot more at work, so getting these done tonight won't be a big deal.

Dan, good question about modem use - the JPEG I have up right now is in the 35K neighborhood. That size can vary depending on the JPEG compression and the photograph used in the image.

Well, if the modular badge wins the vote, then "my" contribution would be the "blue" one that trigger made, if not, then blue one gets my vote.

Offcourse if another badge wins I'll be able to locate you all, and get in my personal Apache to get my revenge

I'm cool with what we already have

A modular group badge!
Sounds good to me, but maybe there are also persons who don't have the skills to make themselves a badge.
We could put Trigger74's idea to the votes; It definitively has mine!

Sounds like a brilliant idea, however, we have to think about the people that still use a classic modem instead of broadband.
And besides, we start building in two days remember.
Anyway I do like your idea

"Crappy little badges" ?!?! Heyyyy! ("Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!")

I originally thought there might have been some sort of size limitation on badges, but in snooping around the topics here, I see signature pix of all different sizes. I was a little bored sunday afternoon and I got to thinking (which is never a good thing) - why should GB badges be little squares? Why not "widescreen"? Why not circles? Etc...

- So what I'm thinking of is this - a template driven GB icon. Each member would have access to the layered file to customize their own. They would place an image of their particular type of Hawk (UH-, SH-, MH-, etc) in the center band. The top band (there would be different templates posted with the each of the various S-70 designations such as UH-60L, MH-60A, MH-60L, etc already in the top bar to get around font issues), bottom band, overall size, colors and typeface would remain the same. This way, everyone here would be able to have their own little input to the badge, be able to make it their own, if even a little bit while at the same time, keeping the overall S-70 GB branding consistant. It wouldn't take long for someone to customize their badge and post it and if someone out there doesn't have a photo editing program, they can just send me the pic they want to use and I can finish it for them. Other GBs may follow with larger badges, but that just it - they'll be following!

Hey it's not fair: first you post those crappy little badges and then you use that superduper-extra-deluxe one!

Now seriously: I think we should vote on one and all use that one, only to avoid confusion on our fellow forum members.