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AIRCRAFT - Mustang Ranch... P-51 Group Build--ends 12/31/04

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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Monday, August 9, 2004 3:03 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by newtothegame

I'm going to be trying to do Ridge Runner, but it is for a friend and I am letting him chose elements - he wants invasion stripes. I don't know if Ridge Runner had invasion stripes (not on the decal directions), so I don't know if my historical inaccuracy will cause (here's my poor attempt at the ranch humor) a posse to be round up and there might be a hangin'

Anyway, any pictures would be appreciated.
Leon


Well, pard'ner, if you wuz'nt doin' this 'fer a friend, I'd be first in line 'fer the lynchin' 'cuz this Stallion 'twern't no Zebra...

There were three different Stangs flown by Pierce McKennon that were named 'Ridge Runner' and the only one which MAY have had full invasion stripes was the first one, which was most likely a P-51B. That's just an educated guess on my part; I dunno if it really was a 'Baker' Stang or not or if it carried invasion stripes, but the aircraft was lost in August of 1944 which makes it a good bet that the ship was a P-51B. I'll dig some and see if I can find out fersher.

His second Mustang, a P-51D, could very well have carried partial invasion stripes but, again, I dunno fersher. The third aircraft, which you'll find a few photos of over in the Town Records, definitely did not have them.


MUSTANG RANCH GB - Town Records



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Posted by grenadierII on Monday, August 9, 2004 9:04 AM
it's always the obvious!

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Posted by gwaihir on Monday, August 9, 2004 11:16 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BlackWolf3945

QUOTE: Originally posted by newtothegame

I'm going to be trying to do Ridge Runner...Leon


Well, pard'ner, if you wuz'nt doin' this 'fer a friend, I'd be first in line 'fer the lynchin' 'cuz this Stallion 'twern't no Zebra...

There were three different Stangs flown by Pierce McKennon that were named 'Ridge Runner' and the only one which MAY have had full invasion stripes was the first one, which was most likely a P-51B. That's just an educated guess on my part; I dunno if it really was a 'Baker' Stang or not or if it carried invasion stripes, but the aircraft was lost in August of 1944 which makes it a good bet that the ship was a P-51B. I'll dig some and see if I can find out fersher.

His second Mustang, a P-51D, could very well have carried partial invasion stripes but, again, I dunno fersher. The third aircraft, which you'll find a few photos of over in the Town Records, definitely did not have them.


MUSTANG RANCH GB - Town Records



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BlackWolf,
You are an amazing resource! Thank you so much for the work you do for us. Maybe I'll try 1/2 invasion stripes halfway satisfy myself and my friend. Smile [:)]

Thanks again,
Leon
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Posted by therriman on Monday, August 9, 2004 6:02 PM
OK, here's the progress I've made so far:




I did start this one before the GB officially got going so I'm quite a bit along, that's why I'm thinking about doing the AM 1/48 P-51A too.
This kit is the Hasawega 1/32 P-51D I've used a resin cockpit and true details weighted wheels. And I'm using aeromaster decals.
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Monday, August 9, 2004 6:29 PM
Hey, good progress there Tim. Ahm still awaiten the Pony Express with mah box full a resin.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 9, 2004 6:47 PM
10-08-04
Building progresses! Airfix 1/48 Mustang P-51D.
I'm going to build this one OOB. No aftermarket stuff.
Cockpit is basic as is the engine. It's reasonably well moulded, but in two parts.

Got the fuselage halves joined together. This kit, I think and have been told , may be the old Arii or Otaki 1/48 Mustang. It must be Oriental in origin as all the sprues have "Made in Japan" stamped on them!!

There are some minor fit issues, a few small gaps but dychloromethane really seals those up!!
I'm gonna let her rest some fer a day or so an' ahm a-thunkin' I'll jest move aways along some fer a day or so, then round 'er up fer some hard work filin' an' sandin'.

See y'all later.
Begorragh.
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Monday, August 9, 2004 8:39 PM
Yessir, the Airfix 48th P-51D is, indeed, the Otaki/Arii kit. Airfix has released several of the Otaki/Arii kits beginning a few years back.

Not bad kits, but they're inconsistent; some of them fit very well, and some are for the circular file. Their Spitfire goes together not too badly, as does the P-40. There were minor fit issues, like what you've mentioned on the Stang, but they're quite buildable.

I think the P-51 is the only kit from that old Otaki line that I haven't built or started to build, so I'm actually kinda interested in hearing how it goes together...


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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 9, 2004 10:59 PM
well here is my test bed plane... I like Joes better.
I was learning how to mask over the Alclad.


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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:35 AM
Good to see some more progress shots; Jeff, that Stang looks pretty good, dude. How long did it take you to put that thing together?

Tim, lookin' good. You gonna have the gun bays open on that?


Mike, aka Butz, is here tonight for a build'n'bull and has his P-51B pretty much together and close to ready for paint. I just have to get my rear in gear and make a custom decal for the windscreen and he can button 'er up.



The kit is built pretty much SOB except tape seat belts and he also filled the cutouts on the inner edge of the flaps.


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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:39 AM
10-08-04
Hey, Blackwolf3945.
The 'Stang's exterior surface has plenty of lovely detail. It's very pretty looking.
The interior is sparse and the instrument panle is not very good. Very empty looking. I suppose I really should've gone for some aftermarket stuff, but I 'm heading to Duxford for the airshow in September and anticipate a melted credit card......

Anyways, the fuselage halves went together ok. The underneath where the vent goes (can't think of it's proper technical name..brain-freeze) is a bit rough but with sanding fits ok. The nose section directly behind the spinner is a separate piece which helps with any fancy painting, but doesn't quite line-up. It's only out by a fraction, but is noticeable. When you line up the panel lines, the top and sides of the piece are sitting jut proud of the engine cowling.

The wing-roots are a problem too. They don't fit and seem to be uneven. I solved this by cutting off the locator tabs and by lining up the "gun barrels". I glued the lower wing section in place first and then each of the top sections, dry-fitting, sanding and eventually gluing (with my trusty dychloromethane), bit by bit, each wing.
The dychloromethane is a kinda liquid glue that melts the palstic together almost immediately and is really strong once set.

Once the two sections of wings are together, you notice a gap about half a mil wide running along the wing root. Apply the Dy-methane, lift the wing in a bit and no more gap.This helps immensely when it comes to filling, filing and sanding later.

And so far, that's it.
Aword of caution...if using something like dy-methane, mind where you put your fingers. I made an ugly mess of hte 'Stangs tail, which I may doctor to look like battle damage
(any ref. pics??).

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Posted by fightnjoe on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:50 AM
excellent work all. great progress. going to be a little bit before i get into the second kit. but when i do. hahahahahahahahaha

joe

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Posted by therriman on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:24 AM
Steve, I thought about opening the gun bays (even painted and put guns in, but not the ammo belts). But decided to take the "easy out" and close them. I ALMOST dropped the flaps on her. But instead I just deeply grooved the flap and control grooves.
Buy the way, go ahead and add a "Filly" to me. I've decided to do the AM P-51A afterall.
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Posted by gwaihir on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:47 PM
Woodbeck, Did you make that just for testing? It takes me so long to complete anything that I doubt I would ever make something for testing. Anyway looks good. I'll bet you're excited to get going on the big whole project.

Anyway here is my post cockpit progress of the wheel wells. What I am curious about is how do you guys try to represent all of the wiring/tubing/whatever it is in there - There is tons of it! so I just did a couple and called it good, but am curious for future builds how others handle it.
Leon

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:53 PM
Great progress everyone. I'll get a goin as soon as I get my resin stuff from Ultracast.

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Posted by fightnjoe on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:30 PM
leon thats easy. i dont. havent had the guts to try them yet.

great progress by the way.

joe

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:16 PM
Blackwolf and Newtothegame - I've found a picture of Ridge Runner (can't see noseart due to glare off the bare metal) but the plane code is WD A. It has partial invasion stripes - black & white on the fuselage and it looks like black only on the wing. If you have the Squadron Signal P-51D walkaround the photo is on page 32. I don't have my scanner hooked up yet, but I'll try to get it working and scan the picture in.

Steve

 

 

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Posted by gwaihir on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by sanderson_91

Blackwolf and Newtothegame - I've found a picture of Ridge Runner (can't see noseart due to glare off the bare metal) but the plane code is WD A. It has partial invasion stripes - black & white on the fuselage and it looks like black only on the wing. If you have the Squadron Signal P-51D walkaround the photo is on page 32. I don't have my scanner hooked up yet, but I'll try to get it working and scan the picture in.

Steve


Thanks Steve. I don't have that book, so a scan would be VERY appreciated. Awesome!!
Leon
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Posted by saltydog on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:54 PM
great progess everyone!!

Newtothegame, i dont worry to much about the wheel wells, but thats me.

i still have to order the aires PE and resin cockpit for my builds. i'll be pokin' along soon i guess. later.
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Posted by darson on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:15 PM
OK, I'm in. Thumbs Up [tup]

Put me down for a Tamiya 1/48 P-51B.

Cheers
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Posted by sanderson_91 on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:36 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by newtothegame

QUOTE: Originally posted by sanderson_91

Blackwolf and Newtothegame - I've found a picture of Ridge Runner (can't see noseart due to glare off the bare metal) but the plane code is WD A. It has partial invasion stripes - black & white on the fuselage and it looks like black only on the wing. If you have the Squadron Signal P-51D walkaround the photo is on page 32. I don't have my scanner hooked up yet, but I'll try to get it working and scan the picture in.

Steve


Thanks Steve. I don't have that book, so a scan would be VERY appreciated. Awesome!!
Leon


I had to order a new driver in order to get my scanner running. It should be here by Friday so I'll try to get the Ridge Runner picture posted by the weekend.

Steve

 

 

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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:49 PM
Steve, this the photo?



I didn't post this shot before because even though I was pretty sure that it's McKennon, it does not have any nose art at all and I had not done a whole bunch of research on it until now. But after a bit of looking around, I've come to find that this is the aircraft in which 'Mac' was shot down on August 28th, 1944.

Here's the same ship leading a mixed formation of aircraft from all three 4th FG squadrons:



Whether this particular Mustang ever carried the name 'Ridge Runner' and any nose art, I dunno for sure, but I doubt it. If my information is correct, 'Mac' was assigned this particular ship less than a month before he was shot down in it. I suppose a month is enough time to paint a bit of nose art on a plane but that kinda stuff didn't take priority.

As a matter of interest, as far as I now know, the aircraft 'Mac' flew before this one was a P-51B named 'Yippee Joe'. Here's a page that I recently rediscovered which has some info on McKennon:

Pierce McKennon - The "Ridge Runner"

Be aware that the profile on that page showing this particular ship (44-13883) is incorrect in that it shows the aircraft as having a dorsal fin. This ship was an early P-51D without the fin; my point being: if that's incorrect, there may be other incorrect info on that page as well.

If the second P-51D that 'Mac' flew (and what I believe to be the first P-51D to carry the name 'Ridge Runner') carried invasion stripes, it most likely only had them on the undersurfaces, similar to what you see above, or it may have only carried them on the undersurface of the fuselage.


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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:41 AM
Darson, welcum t'the Ranch, pard. Nice't have'a wrustler from'a down under in town. We'll try'n show 'ya some Yankee hospitality and I'll go'in add 'yer name'ta that-thar list'a Ranchers after I'ma done lookin' at tha inside'a ma eyelids...


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Posted by wibhi2 on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:22 AM
WOW.....everyone is showing great progress so far. It's also nice to see Butz get some of his work posted again. Amazingly, all of this before the start date.

As for me (insert jepordy theme song - or "wait Mr. Postman" as sung by the beatles) waiting for roll and the AW PE set along with the Verliden Allison V1710 Enginge. Big question I am wrestlin' with is weather or not I should have gotten the flap set as well.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:08 PM
wild horses everywhere !
well, since i'm working on a p51d currently, it makes sense 2 join this GB...
if it's OK w/ the gang, i'll jump in w/ the airfix 1/72 p51d/k kit .
"i want the stallion !" 2 quote Apollo Creed...Big Smile [:D]
my plan is 2 finish a 'stang in Tuskeegee red tail markings,
but i mite end up doing something else w/ this one since i also
have the academy p51d Red Tails kit w/ the rite decals already included.
since i really need a deadline 2 finish anything, can my horsie play too ?

frostySmile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 2:20 PM
Thanks for the comments. Youll notice now there is a red x where my pic was before. Well I have gone past that point and dont some more work. I flat coated the od and now I am finishing her up....





Yep she was a test bed, for my NMF finish on my actual build for 'is here build, testing the painted on look over the NMF that is.
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:10 PM
Daaang, nice instruments on that-thar dashboard, woodbeck...

I NEED A BETTER CAMERA...


Frosty, a right pleasure havin' 'ya along 'fer'th ride. I'll go'n add 'yer name't'tha list, an' you'll'a be seein' 'yer name in print, real soon-like...


GLEN S, got your email. Looks like you're comin' along nicely. Here's the images you sent...








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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:26 PM
Jeff, real nice lookin for a test bed.

Glen, the pics are a little hard to make out, but looks like good progress.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 4:44 PM
jeff, kick booty job on the pit and the whole build friend. very impressive!! i love the instument panel!! want to share how you did it?LOL thanks for sharing.

well, i'm a waitin' on at' ar' pony spress meseff rick!! just sent a telegram to em' ar' folk at squadron for some resin saddle's for me stangs. the company what gonna make me saddles is True Details, a good choice fer any kind a tack fer a stang. just a matter o' time now. later. (salty spits and ya here the ring of the spit tune in the background, and he wipes the tabaco juice from his chin with his sleeve)LOL. later.
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Posted by sanderson_91 on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 7:00 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BlackWolf3945

Steve, this the photo?


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I didn't post this shot before because even though I was pretty sure that it's McKennon, it does not have any nose art at all and I had not done a whole bunch of research on it until now. But after a bit of looking around, I've come to find that this is the aircraft in which 'Mac' was shot down on August 28th, 1944.

Here's the same ship leading a mixed formation of aircraft from all three 4th FG squadrons:


Direct Link

Whether this particular Mustang ever carried the name 'Ridge Runner' and any nose art, I dunno for sure, but I doubt it. If my information is correct, 'Mac' was assigned this particular ship less than a month before he was shot down in it. I suppose a month is enough time to paint a bit of nose art on a plane but that kinda stuff didn't take priority.

As a matter of interest, as far as I now know, the aircraft 'Mac' flew before this one was a P-51B named 'Yippee Joe'. Here's a page that I recently rediscovered which has some info on McKennon:

Pierce McKennon - The "Ridge Runner"

Be aware that the profile on that page showing this particular ship (44-13883) is incorrect in that it shows the aircraft as having a dorsal fin. This ship was an early P-51D without the fin; my point being: if that's incorrect, there may be other incorrect info on that page as well.

If the second P-51D that 'Mac' flew (and what I believe to be the first P-51D to carry the name 'Ridge Runner') carried invasion stripes, it most likely only had them on the undersurfaces, similar to what you see above, or it may have only carried them on the undersurface of the fuselage.


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Blackwolf - that's the photo! You are the man!! I couldn't tell if the nose art was there or if it was just the glare off the metal. You wouldn't happen to have any shots of The Salem Representative, would you? I have the box cover of an old Monogram kit - P51B Mustang and Panther tank and it shows the 51 with OD tops and bare metal fuselage sides. I'm not sure if this is correct or not. I still have the decals from this kit and want to use them on the Tamiya B model. Thanks!!

Steve

 

 

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:24 PM
Well that thar Pony Express Rider rode up to mah gate today & dropped off a box just fulla that thar Resin. Came all the way from that thar upnorth Canadie. Bet that Pony is tired as all git out.



Anyhoo, now ah got no more excooses. Gotta start roundin up that thar Stallion.

Regards, Rick
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