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                        "What If" A-10 Group Build Idea

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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Thursday, August 4, 2005 10:40 AM
                        Two 20mm + the 30mm? Hmmm....What kind of recoil force would that produce? That Hog may need JATO bottles just to keep it in the air when the pilot squeezes the trigger!

                        Good news - I'll close on the house in a few weeks so the move IS happening and one of the benefits of the new place will be a dedicated workshop area for my models. Whoo-hoo!
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                        LemonJello
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                        Posted by LemonJello on Thursday, August 4, 2005 10:47 AM
                        I had been tossing the idea around of adding a couple of gunpods to my A-10, maybe not in the 20mm range...but it would make for a cool "What If" type of loadout. Guess it'd give a whole new meaning to the term "steel rain"!

                        Trigger, good to hear you'll be getting a space to yourself! I share my area with the kids' tv and computer, so I sometimes feel guilty if I want to work while they're watching cartoons (admittedly, there are some that I can watch, but some of them drive me from the room). But I'll be getting the decals on soon, then I'll post more photos.
                        A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.
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                        PanzerWulff
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                        Posted by PanzerWulff on Thursday, August 4, 2005 11:46 AM
                        actually the F-4 Chico the gunfighter added 2x 20 MM gun pods to the F-4E's internal 20MM. I was thinking of taking the concept to a rather RADICAL level with the what if Hog. By adding 2x20MM under EACH wing and another on the CENTERLINE hardpoint for a total of 5X20MM pods plus the Gau-8 30MM. i know such a loadout would be totally impossible BUT just think how fast the enemy would run away just from hearing that beast on a strafing runEvil [}:)]=Dead [xx(]Dead [xx(]Dead [xx(]badguys
                        ACE??? you were NEVER an ace AN ace HOLE maybe! (Lister to Rimmer on BBC's RED DWARF) Chris"Hey GRAVITY still works"Gray
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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Friday, August 5, 2005 7:15 AM
                        Thus redefining the term "gunship"
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                        LemonJello
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                        Posted by LemonJello on Friday, August 5, 2005 7:59 AM
                        I bet the ordies that have to load that beast would have some new names for it too...
                        A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.
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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Friday, August 5, 2005 8:12 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by LemonJello

                        I bet the ordies that have to load that beast would have some new names for it too...


                        Laugh [(-D]
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                        PanzerWulff
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                        Posted by PanzerWulff on Friday, August 5, 2005 8:45 AM
                        "Thus redefining the term "gunship" " Hmmmmm Gunship Big Smile [:D] thanx for the idea i think i'll paint her up in a gunship grey scheme, and add a FLIR pod hmmm anyone know if there is a kit of the A-10 2 seater? i know they evaluated a 2 seat trainer but i dont know if it went into production .Cool [8D]Thanx alot for the inspiration guysThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]
                        ACE??? you were NEVER an ace AN ace HOLE maybe! (Lister to Rimmer on BBC's RED DWARF) Chris"Hey GRAVITY still works"Gray
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                        PanzerWulff
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                        Posted by PanzerWulff on Friday, August 5, 2005 9:32 PM
                        HI guys i just got back from the hobby store with my academy 1/72 A-10/A it looks like a nice kit with realy good detail.i usually dont like to work in 1/72 but i wasnt gonna spend over $70.00 on 1/48 scale weapons sets to get the gunpods lol the 1/72 sets were far more affordableWink [;)] i hope to start workin on it this weekend i cant waot to see how my G/A-10A WRAITH-HOG comes out i figured all the gunships have had ghost related namesBig Smile [:D] oh btw my hobbyshop had an interesting A10 on display one done up i Su-27 cammo with the nose gun replaced with a soviet twin barrel 37MM and all soviet ordinance it was great lookin hmm maybe another challenge for the future lol
                        Seeya later chris the panzerwulff
                        ACE??? you were NEVER an ace AN ace HOLE maybe! (Lister to Rimmer on BBC's RED DWARF) Chris"Hey GRAVITY still works"Gray
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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Saturday, August 6, 2005 7:12 AM
                        Given the guns and that kind of straffing run it would produce, Steamroller's got a nice ring to it.
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                        LemonJello
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                        Posted by LemonJello on Saturday, August 6, 2005 7:58 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Trigger74

                        Given the guns and that kind of straffing run it would produce, Steamroller's got a nice ring to it.

                        Just like the ringing in the ears that anybody not shredded by that beast would be left with as it circled around for another pass...

                        I'll be looking forward to seeing this one when you get it done, PanzerWulff. Post some in progress photos if you can.
                        A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.
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                        PanzerWulff
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                        Posted by PanzerWulff on Monday, August 8, 2005 10:58 AM
                        well 1 look at the cockpit on this thing made me want to throw it in the can (the cockpit that is) i Evil [}:)]HATEEvil [}:)] flat panel with decal cockpits so i ordered a new one online the photos online look real nice i cant wait to get it. my weapon sets should arrive tomorrow so i can at least get the wings done up so i can figure how im gonna do the weapon loadout
                        ACE??? you were NEVER an ace AN ace HOLE maybe! (Lister to Rimmer on BBC's RED DWARF) Chris"Hey GRAVITY still works"Gray
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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Monday, August 8, 2005 4:18 PM
                        Hey PanzerWulff, who's the operator of the Wraithhog going to be?
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                        Cobrahistorian
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                        Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, August 8, 2005 8:38 PM
                        Hey Panzerwulff,

                        If you're interested in doing a 2-seater, the only kit available is the Trumpeter 1/32 A-10 N/AW. I'm workin on that one for the GB (although I don't think it'll ever be finished) and I'm doing it up as an Army A-10D attached to an Attack Aviation Battalion. Full loadout of rocket pods and 24 Hellfires is going to make it very interesting indeed!

                        "1-6 is in hot"
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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Monday, August 8, 2005 10:56 PM
                        Jon

                        I was thinking about it for my Tiltrotor COIN, but you ought to finish your A-10D in ACU an scheme!
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                        Cobrahistorian
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                        Posted by Cobrahistorian on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 12:02 AM
                        ACU scheme, huh? Hmmm..... I was hoping to stick with Helo Drab.... but then again....

                        I may look into the new ACU pattern. It seems that someone has finally wised up and put more GREEN in! They're gonna start being issued later this year. I may wait until they're available before buying new uniforms.
                        "1-6 is in hot"
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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 8:40 AM
                        More green huh? I've heard a rumor along those lines but I always figured "yeah, and that parrot is 'just resting'"
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                        LemonJello
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                        Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 10:15 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Trigger74

                        More green huh? I've heard a rumor along those lines but I always figured "yeah, and that parrot is 'just resting'"

                        "Beautiful bird, the Norweigian Blue...beautiful plummage."

                        Helo Drab or ACU, either one would make for a good looking warthog!

                        A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.
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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 10:38 AM
                        Agreed. Either Helo Drab or ACU would look good on the Hog. Helo Drab because it's well, Helo Drab Big Smile [:D] and ACU would look good because it'd be so damned ugly on a twin-tub Hawg.

                        "PININ' for the FJORDS?!?!?!? God bless Monty Pyton....those skits and songs got us thru many a frozen morning regattta!
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                        PanzerWulff
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                        Posted by PanzerWulff on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 11:41 AM
                        QUOTE: Hey PanzerWulff, who's the operator of the Wraithhog going to be?
                        probably the USAF there the ones who operate the AC-130 Spectere BTW does anyone know wether the AC-130 wears black or grey insignia? i'm still trying to decide what other ordinance to give the beast other than the gunpods i'm definatly adding a LANTIRN and a jammer pod any other suggestions would be welcomeEvil [}:)]Thumbs Up [tup]
                        ACE??? you were NEVER an ace AN ace HOLE maybe! (Lister to Rimmer on BBC's RED DWARF) Chris"Hey GRAVITY still works"Gray
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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 12:01 PM
                        Black markings if the airframe is overall Gunship Gray
                        http://www.ndu.edu/nwc/nwcCLIPART/US_AIR_FORCE/Equipment/Attack-Fighter_Aircraft/AC-130/usaf-ac130.htm



                        However, AFSOC these days tends to paint their Herks in a two-tone gray scheme with counter-shaded markings.


                        http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/201-300/walk208_AC-130H/part2/walk208b.htm
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                        PanzerWulff
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                        Posted by PanzerWulff on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 2:24 PM
                        BIG THANXBig Smile [:D]Yeah!! [yeah]Thumbs Up [tup]
                        ACE??? you were NEVER an ace AN ace HOLE maybe! (Lister to Rimmer on BBC's RED DWARF) Chris"Hey GRAVITY still works"Gray
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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 2:36 PM
                        No prob, that's what we're here for! Let me know if you've got any other questions.
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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 2:36 PM
                        duplicate post. oops.
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                        PanzerWulff
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                        Posted by PanzerWulff on Thursday, August 11, 2005 5:04 AM
                        HEH HEH HEH my weapon sets arrived and i have plenty of ordinance to spare lol . I'm still trying to figure out what to put on the last 4 hardpoints maybe a pair of droptanks to increase it's loiter time hope things are going good for you guys too Cool [8D]Thumbs Up [tup]Yeah!! [yeah]
                        ACE??? you were NEVER an ace AN ace HOLE maybe! (Lister to Rimmer on BBC's RED DWARF) Chris"Hey GRAVITY still works"Gray
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                        LemonJello
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                        Posted by LemonJello on Thursday, August 11, 2005 6:56 AM
                        I started putting the decals down on my A-10W, just the stencils so far, but I've run into an issue. I had planned originally to use some hi-vis F-4 markings for VMFA-333 on this one, but it was going to have a gloss grey over white paint job then. With the MARPAT I just don't think it'll work. So now I'm trying to come up with a way to paint on the tail codes and "MARINES" on the engines. Any suggestions? I've looked through my scrap decals and nothing really looks like it'll work.
                        A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.
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                        Trigger
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                        Posted by Trigger on Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:09 AM
                        Hmmm.. glancing at the pix of your A-10W, I would look at a strategic placement of black stencils on the tail. Treat the stencils like your name tape, where the black letters act as part of the MARPAT. Check your e-mail when you get a chance.
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                        LemonJello
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                        Posted by LemonJello on Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:37 AM
                        Thanks, Trigger, that's what I had in mind but just a bit bigger. I think I may have to nose around my wife's stamps, she has several alphabet ones, maybe I can use those to make some stencils and I'll just paint the markings on in flat black or maybe a lighter green? It'd be subdued, but wouldn't disappear into the black already on the airframe.

                        Funny thing about name tapes, the first ones had the black in them, but people had a hard time reading the name in black, it would blend into the woodland pattern! So now nametape materiel has no black in the digi pattern. Similar issue with enlisted rank on collars...you have to get close to see if it's a master sergeant or a first sergeant (BIG difference!) walking your way if you don't know them on sight.
                        A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.
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                        Posted by Trigger on Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:54 AM
                        Heh heh... you'd think someone would have noticed something like that during the wear tests

                        I'm prepping a sheet for Jon for some Apache markings and I'll have a ton of room left over. Say the word and the sizes, and I'll include as many markings as you like (as long as they're black!)

                        Hey Panzer! Thanks for bringing up the AC-130... now I'm scrolling thru eBay looking for one!Mischief [:-,]
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                        Posted by LemonJello on Friday, August 12, 2005 11:28 AM
                        Thanks for the offer, Trigger! I'm such a glutton for punishment that I think what I may try with this one is to trace onto the model the letters I want, then I'll mask them off and take a shot at hand painting the letters, using several colors to contrast with the background MARPAT...

                        Heck, I got the MARPAT to work, so maybe I'm overconfident in trying this method? Next time, I'll plan out the decals and make sure I don't lay any black paint in those areas, since one of my stars & bars looks like a big black circle now...oh, well, live and learn.

                        Added 8/13: Here is what I've gotten done today. Side note, I lost the HUD for my A-10, so I scratched one out of scrap styrene, and I think it'll work just fine. Here are the photos:

                        The Loadout:


                        My scratch stinger pod:


                        On its wheels:


                        And the HUD:


                        A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.
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                        Posted by Trigger on Sunday, August 14, 2005 3:15 AM
                        I was about to ask where the Stingers went, then I saw the second pic up close. Clever solution there LJ! I like the overall loadout too.

                        After looking at the last pic I do have one question though - air-to-air refueling will be accomplished by flying boom?
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