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                        AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

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                        KJ200
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Bicester, England
                        Posted by KJ200 on Thursday, March 3, 2005 1:59 AM
                        I always use Gunze acrylic silver, not because of adhesion problems, because I've never had any, but because it shows up blemishes like nothing else!!!

                        Speaking of which, I gave my Hurricane a coat of silver last night, and will probably spend the next few days sorting a few little problem areas here and there. That rear wing to fuselage seam is just not right!!!!!

                        Picked up my MS 406 for the NA GB as well yesterday.Big Smile [:D]

                        Karl

                        Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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                        cossack
                        • Member since
                          April 2004
                        • From: Sydney
                        Posted by cossack on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 10:56 PM
                        Thanks guys ... I almost always use acylics, and have never had adhesion problems. Although, Tom, as you said - I do see some value for whites and yellows.

                        I will have to give it a crack Wink [;)]

                        Paul

                         

                        http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af53/raiderpilot/smprop_gb.jpg

                         

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                        tho9900
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                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 7:34 PM
                        Jay - you can either use the manufacturers primer (not flat paint) like MM light grey primer, or Tamiya white primer... or Krylon primer or very fine auto primer to prime your models... I have used the MM and Krylon primers with success, my first chouce would be the MM or Tamiya primers (or any model paint manufacturer) then the auto "very fine" primer and Krylon last... but they all will work for you! with enamels it is not such a problem but now for acrylics it is a MUST for me!! and also when painting colors with poor coverage ability like White and Yellow...
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        jboutin
                        • Member since
                          December 2004
                        • From: 288921 E, 5659868 N UTMz12, NAD83
                        Posted by jboutin on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 6:13 PM
                        But can you use any flat paint (like a light grey or in my case for the Hurricane, sky) for primer or do you ave to use the manufacturers "primer".
                        JAY - fighting evil since 2:15pm, July 8,1976 -
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                        tho9900
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 5:51 PM
                        after my martlet I am dead sold on priming.. I did it as I was using Vallejo acrylic and I kept hearing horror stories about its' adhesion... that stuff went on smooth, and didn't come off... not even one flake!!! it also helped me spot a trouble section before I put the paint on where I needed to touch up some sanding a little before going that far...
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        darson
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Melbourne, Australia
                        Posted by darson on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 5:37 PM
                        Cossack I prime for basically the same reasons as the guys above ie checking seams, scratches, etc, etc. But I also find priming a must if I am spraying any kind of satin or gloss paint, as the primer gives the paint something to bite into and gives you a much better coverage IMHO. I find it not as vital when painting with matt finishes, but it still helps. Just my My 2 cents [2c]

                        Cheers
                        Darren
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                        Tankmaster7
                        • Member since
                          August 2004
                        • From: Nowhere. (Long Island)
                        Posted by Tankmaster7 on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 5:32 PM
                        darren, I know what major resin surgery is like. EWith my mig-29, aires cockpit was designed for the kit, but Even to get it to rudimentary fit, you have to razor saw off most of the kit front area, and then some MAJOR filing sanding and then filling to get a good fit. Thanks for the advice.
                        -Tanky Welcome to the United States of America, a subsidiary of Exxon Mobil Corporation, in partnership with Halliburton. Security for your constitutional rights provided by Blackwater International.
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                        rjkplasticmod
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                          February 2003
                        • From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State
                        Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 9:51 AM
                        I always prime my builds to make sure all seams or other blemishes are gone & to help with final paint adhesion. I only use Floquil grey primer applied with the AB.

                        Regards, Rick
                        RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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                        tweety1
                        • Member since
                          August 2003
                        • From: Alice Springs Australia
                        Posted by tweety1 on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 6:23 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

                        Tweety - keep the disks.. Kremps decided to give it one more go and moved back in over here... Wink [;)]



                        Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!Yuck [yuck]
                        The disks were bad enough!!

                        CossackSame as Pingy, I have never primed a model, except for Alclad(duh!).
                        I'm pretty fastidious about imperfections, and will spend an hour looking over the completed kit from every angle looking for the slightest blemish.
                        Then I give it a quick wash over with alcohol (1 for me, 1 for the kit, 1 for me...........)
                        and then start painting.
                        Have never had my acrylics lift off of the kit yet I might add.
                        --Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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                        pingtang
                        • Member since
                          April 2003
                        • From: NSW, Australia
                        Posted by pingtang on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 6:01 AM
                        I sprayed the interior of my spitfire with a home brew mix of interior green today. Not sure about the shade, but I think it's close enough. Now it's onto detail painting, washes and dry-brushing.

                        Cossack The main reason I prime is that it shows any defects in the surface. It's alot easier to see scratches, seams and blemishes when it has a coat of primer on it. It'll also help the paint make a strong bond with the model. It's not absolutely necessary to prime, but I always prime my models with Tamiya spray can grey primer.





                        -Daniel
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                        cossack
                        • Member since
                          April 2004
                        • From: Sydney
                        Posted by cossack on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 4:56 AM
                        Guys,

                        Sorry for not a lot of talk - flat out at work Sad [:(]

                        However, one comment in here has me intrigued ... Priming. I have not primed any of my models before - preferred to use multiple light coats. Can someone please explain the benefits of priming?

                        Paul

                         

                        http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af53/raiderpilot/smprop_gb.jpg

                         

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                        KJ200
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Bicester, England
                        Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, March 2, 2005 2:01 AM
                        Jay Just keep on practising. It's all you can do.

                        Can't see any pictures at the moment as I'm at work, just red crosses. Need to evict my other half from the Mac tonight and try and catch up on everyone's progress.

                        Also on the cards for tonight, is priming my Hurricane with a coat of Gunze silver. Hopefully it won't need too much in the way of corrections, though I'm worried as to how that rear wing to fuselage seam is going to look, especially after my rescribing efforts!

                        I'll post some pics soon.

                        Where are we with the NA GB? I'm looking at an MS406 in RAF markings with French camo based in Egypt at the end of 1940.

                        Karl

                        Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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                        darson
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Melbourne, Australia
                        Posted by darson on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 10:00 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Tankmaster7

                        http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TD49005 I'm thinking of this cockpit for the kit. How is True details usually?


                        Tanky, True Details make A1 quality stuff at a very reasonable price. Some of their older catalogue is ex KMC (their Beaufighter cockpit for instance) but still very good quality. The only word of caution I would give is make sure the resin cockpit you get is made to match your model/brand of kit, or you could have some major resin surgery ahead of you.

                        Cheers
                        Darren
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                        rjkplasticmod
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State
                        Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 7:32 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Tankmaster7

                        http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TD49005 I'm thinking of this cockpit for the kit. How is True details usually?


                        Usually pretty good. This set is fairly simple but does improve on the kit parts.

                        Regards, Rick
                        RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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                        tho9900
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 7:28 PM
                        Tanky you can also get it at www.greatmodels.com thats where I have been buying mine!
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        Tankmaster7
                        • Member since
                          August 2004
                        • From: Nowhere. (Long Island)
                        Posted by Tankmaster7 on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 7:04 PM
                        http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TD49005 I'm thinking of this cockpit for the kit. How is True details usually?
                        -Tanky Welcome to the United States of America, a subsidiary of Exxon Mobil Corporation, in partnership with Halliburton. Security for your constitutional rights provided by Blackwater International.
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                        rjkplasticmod
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State
                        Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 6:58 PM
                        Tanky, you can order direct from Ultracast @ http://www.ultracast.ca

                        Regards, Rick
                        RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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                        jboutin
                        • Member since
                          December 2004
                        • From: 288921 E, 5659868 N UTMz12, NAD83
                        Posted by jboutin on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 6:15 PM
                        Thanks, Darson, Tweety and Tom, I'll try again tonight, maybe. As for Primer I have only really used a base coat of a light grey in the past. That is what I was planning on doing in this case but I guess I need to practise some more Big Smile [:D]
                        JAY - fighting evil since 2:15pm, July 8,1976 -
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                        Tankmaster7
                        • Member since
                          August 2004
                        • From: Nowhere. (Long Island)
                        Posted by Tankmaster7 on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 5:56 PM
                        Where do you guys get ultracast stuff? I'm specifically looking for some stuff for my revell 109 e4/7.
                        -Tanky Welcome to the United States of America, a subsidiary of Exxon Mobil Corporation, in partnership with Halliburton. Security for your constitutional rights provided by Blackwater International.
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                        darson
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Melbourne, Australia
                        Posted by darson on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 5:22 PM
                        Sign - Welcome [#welcome] to the BoB GB Flyingraptor & dstrebe, I've updated the first page with your builds. Don't forget, this group likes lots of progress shots and plenty of yapping (the topic is not all that important Big Smile [:D]).

                        Jay I use MM and Humbrol emamels and the advice on thinning ratios and air pressure that razor gave you is spot on. The only things I would add are, if you find the paint is coming out too thin, then add a bit more paint to the mix (a little at a time) until you are happy with it. Are you priming your models, if not you should? A primer will give the paint something to bite in to. Also, don't forget to keep the ab moving over your model so that the paint doesn’t get a chance to puddle.

                        Cheers
                        Darren
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                        tho9900
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 5:10 PM
                        Tweety - keep the disks.. Kremps decided to give it one more go and moved back in over here... Wink [;)]

                        Jay - I use either MM or Vallejo (Color of Eagles) acrylics... on the MM I do thin mine a bit but thats just personal preference... I know lots of people that don't so it works that way as well... Tamiya you have to thin, but with their thinner.. others use alcohol etc... but if you are just getting back into airbrushing with the thinner it is much more forgiving... it has a retarder in it that helps the drying spped by allowing the time for the paint to settle...

                        Bob - no rush! and I know what you mean about the 11 yr old thing.. I am a network admin for a large school district here in TX and the kids keep me busy trying to block them from totally taking over the network!!! And there's countless times I have walked by a room at a school and see a 5th grader showing a teacher how to get into such and such program...
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        tweety1
                        • Member since
                          August 2003
                        • From: Alice Springs Australia
                        Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 4:43 PM
                        It is a good idea to thin your paints a little.
                        I use Tamiya and Gunze acrylics exclusively, and thin both of them.
                        Usually 2/1 paint/thinner ratio, through an Omni 4000 a/b.

                        I use a custom thinner mix to help minimize tip dry, which is the biggest pain with acrylics.
                        --Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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                        jboutin
                        • Member since
                          December 2004
                        • From: 288921 E, 5659868 N UTMz12, NAD83
                        Posted by jboutin on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 4:02 PM
                        Thanks Razor, I looked it up on the AB techniques area and that was the general consensus. I was getting the watery paint look, argh, I'll just have to paint over it. But does it work (not thinning) for different manufacuturers? I have tamya, MM and pollyS paints to work with.
                        JAY - fighting evil since 2:15pm, July 8,1976 -
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                        dstrebe
                        • Member since
                          August 2004
                        • From: Central TX
                        Posted by dstrebe on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 3:40 PM
                        Count me in with a 1/48 Bf 109e4.
                        Dave On the bench: 1/48 F-105D - a bird my friend's dad was shot down in - and survived.
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                        rjkplasticmod
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State
                        Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 2:32 PM
                        Darren, Thanks for the post of the P-40 review. Kinda surprized he didn't mention the multi insert fuselage. Might mean it wasn't much of a problem.

                        Regards, Rick
                        RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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                        razordws
                        • Member since
                          September 2004
                        • From: Vernon, BC, Canada
                        Posted by razordws on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 2:01 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by bobbaily



                        Tom-will break out the camera and play as time allows-may post additional pics when successful. Probably should just let my 11 yr. old read the manual and debrief me!



                        Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]

                        I laugh because I have an 11 yr old son and I have to do the same thing all the time!!! Glad I am not the only one.

                        Jay, If you are using acrylics you don't need to thin them at all. If you are using enamels then yes 2-1 or 3-1 depending on your paints. Keep your air pressure at about 15-20 psi (closer to 20 usually) and on the Paasche H close that nozzle until the paint is just barely coming out. Then open it more as you get familar with it.

                        Dave

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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 1:35 PM
                        Hi guys,

                        Can I join the group-build?
                        I still have a 1/72 Airfix Lysander half finished and a 1/72 Hurricane Mk I

                        Greetz
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                        jboutin
                        • Member since
                          December 2004
                        • From: 288921 E, 5659868 N UTMz12, NAD83
                        Posted by jboutin on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 1:31 PM
                        Whoa hold-o-stoppo. I think I gotta go to AB school again. I finally was able to bring it out and do some spraying with it. I have forgotten much! It's not like I was a wiz before anyway. What is a good mix, 3 parts paint to 1 part thinner right? I remembered to wipe down the model yes, but I got a little heavy on the spray ! I guess I'll just have to play with it some more to get the right feel. I think better light would help too in my AB work space. Dead [xx(]

                        oh well, "If at first you don't succeed, try and try again" right? or was it "If at first you don't succeed then get all mad and break your tool in half, throw it on the ground, stomp on it and give up"

                        I'll get it yet.Smile [:)]
                        JAY - fighting evil since 2:15pm, July 8,1976 -
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                        bobbaily
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                        • From: Nashville, TN area
                        Posted by bobbaily on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 1:16 PM
                        Jay-thanks for the comment.

                        Tom-will break out the camera and play as time allows-may post additional pics when successful. Probably should just let my 11 yr. old read the manual and debrief me!

                        The 'proposed' 109 GB has my interest-running out of room on my schedule though....just need to give up sleeping I guess.

                        Bob

                         

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                        tweety1
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                        • From: Alice Springs Australia
                        Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, March 1, 2005 6:42 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

                        Tweety - so YOU'RE the one who nabbed those disks of pics from my computer desk!! Wink [;)]


                        I didn't really nab them so to speak[:0]
                        Remember when I was reaching for the Tenax, and I said I kinda felt something kinda bump my armConfused [%-)]
                        When I got home, I looked in my bag, and kinda saw some discs, which I kinda intended to return, but kinda looked at em first...................................
                        Well, it kinda happened like that...................................kindaShy [8)]
                        --Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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