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                        AIRCRAFT - Battle of Britain Group Build (Jan 1st 2005 - May 31st 2005)

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                        madmike
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                        • From: Perth, Western Australia
                        Posted by madmike on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:47 AM
                        Darren

                        Aeromaster paints throughout. I preshaded (a rarity for me) and then applied the main colours. While they were still a tad wet, I sprayed lightened shades inside panels to represent fading. I also applied middlestone along panels lines inside the dark earth areas to represent more fading. After a Future coat, decals and a seal coat of Future, I used a raw sienna/burnt umber oil wash, to dirty up the ressessed panel lines.

                        Once I sprayed a flat coat, humbrol Steel and flat alumimium were used to add the paint chips. Pastels did the rest of the weathering.

                        I tried a whole heap of different techniques which seemed to come together really well in the end! Here are some more pics.





                        Hmmm, I have the Arii and Monogram 1:48 P-40E's. The Arii one comes with RAF mid east markings but I have the most excellent Aeromaster RAF Sharkmouth Sqn sheet which covers heaps of P-40's based in the Middle East . I have heard some good reports about the Trumpeter kit.
                        "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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                        tweety1
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                          August 2003
                        • From: Alice Springs Australia
                        Posted by tweety1 on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:32 AM
                        Thanks for the site Tom!

                        Mike, yet another nice build with that Hurricane.
                        --Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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                        tho9900
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                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:04 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by darson
                        [brThe only thing was that it had no detail at all on the instrument faces and there is no decal to stick on the back.

                        Cheers
                        Darren



                        thats wierd... I had another kit a little while back that was alike that... I forgot which... but I was extremely puzzled by the lack of ANYTHING...

                        ---edit---

                        I am sure you've een or done this, but what was suggested to me was to paint the panel white enamel, then go over it in flat black acrylic... after cured, with a very fine pin or needle make your needles etc.. mine actually came out resembling an instrument panel somewhat....
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        darson
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Melbourne, Australia
                        Posted by darson on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:22 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by madmike

                        I might build a RAF P-40 to partner my Hobbycraft 1:48 Hurricane IIC



                        Then again, perhaps a trop Bf109E-4 would be nice as well!

                        cheers

                        Mike


                        Nice Hurricane Mike Thumbs Up [tup]

                        What sort of weathering did you do on it, it certainly looks effective?

                        Also, if you are talking about the 1/48 Trumpeter P-40 I checked it out at the LHS the other day and it doesn't look too bad. The one thing that I did notice was that the instrument panel was clear (like Accurate Miniatures). The only thing was that it had no detail at all on the instrument faces and there is no decal to stick on the back.

                        Cheers
                        Darren
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                        KJ200
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Bicester, England
                        Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:20 AM
                        If you're looking at a tropical 109 E, the Revell kit in 1/48 is worth a look.

                        It is actually a rebox of the Hasegawa kit, so comes with separate slats & flaps.

                        Oh, and it is way cheaper than the Hasegawa kit, in the UK at least!

                        Karl

                        Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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                        madmike
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Perth, Western Australia
                        Posted by madmike on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:16 PM
                        I might build a RAF P-40 to partner my Hobbycraft 1:48 Hurricane IIC



                        Then again, perhaps a trop Bf109E-4 would be nice as well!

                        cheers

                        Mike
                        "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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                        tho9900
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                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:13 PM
                        tweety I found this for ya... it's not much but exterior shots, but there's a link there to a guy who review his build of the kit which might give you some tips...

                        http://www.aircraftscalemodeling.com/ASM%20sections/Frames%20Pages/C%20-%20Aircraft%20Walkarounds%20F.htm
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        darson
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Melbourne, Australia
                        Posted by darson on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:47 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

                        As far as Emils goes i'll be building the Tamiya E 4/7 trop as an E3, this kit also gives you the markings for Black 8 JG 27 in North African markings, which IMHO is a must have, the only thing thats stopping me are those green spots"THEY WORRY ME"



                        Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D] OMG, I am the same. I have that kit waiting to build but the green spots scare the c**p out of me. What I need is a North African GB (hint hint) so that I can bite the bullet.

                        Cheers
                        Darren
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                        nmayhew
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                          July 2003
                        • From: Kent, England
                        Posted by nmayhew on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:30 PM
                        i'm in!!Wink [;)]Big Smile [:D]
                        Kind regards, Nicholas
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                        madmike
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Perth, Western Australia
                        Posted by madmike on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:04 AM
                        count me in on that one as well!

                        cheers

                        Mike
                        "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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                        darson
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Melbourne, Australia
                        Posted by darson on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:56 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by nmayhew

                        QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

                        Interesting.

                        That wash would look sensational on a North African GB Emil (nudge nudgeWink [;)]Wink [;)])


                        is there one?![:0]Cool [8D]Smile [:)]


                        Nicholas, J.S Harrison has said that he is thinking of putting up a North African GB mid way through next year. I think he is going to have quite a few starters on that one (me for instance).

                        Darren
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                        Anonymous
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                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:26 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by nmayhew

                        QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

                        Interesting.

                        That wash would look sensational on a North African GB Emil (nudge nudgeWink [;)]Wink [;)])


                        is there one?![:0]Cool [8D]Smile [:)]

                        We've been talking about it a little in this thread but i'ts not an official Gb yet...

                        Razordws i didn't know you were the only one doing a twin engined bomber, i'll have a little ol look at the LHS and see if they have a Ju88 in thereThumbs Up [tup]

                        Tweety1 it's in the mail mate, you should get it in a couple of days.......
                        BTW i stuck some barrels in too, they may fit your guns, if not i'm sure you'll find a use for them........jules.......
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                        tweety1
                        • Member since
                          August 2003
                        • From: Alice Springs Australia
                        Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:09 AM
                        Thanks for the H/C info guys, I'll stash that in the back of my mind for later use.

                        Like I said Jules, any pics would be sensational, may be able to pick up an odd detail or something. You never know.
                        One things for certain, I couldn't have been the gunner in a Defiant.
                        No way I would trust someone else to dodge bullets coming from my six!!!

                        Stop by and check our progress Jeeves, dont be a strangerBig Smile [:D]
                        --Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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                        nmayhew
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Kent, England
                        Posted by nmayhew on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:05 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

                        Interesting.

                        That wash would look sensational on a North African GB Emil (nudge nudgeWink [;)]Wink [;)])


                        is there one?![:0]Cool [8D]Smile [:)]
                        Kind regards, Nicholas
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                        darson
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Melbourne, Australia
                        Posted by darson on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:04 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeeves

                        Sorry to bow out, but I am getting a little burned out on the GBs......need to do something on my own for a change....please remove my name from the list.


                        Not a problem Mike. Feel free to drop in and say hi from time to time so you can check on the progress of the build.

                        Cheers
                        Darren
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                        Jeeves
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
                        Posted by Jeeves on Monday, November 22, 2004 8:47 PM
                        Sorry to bow out, but I am getting a little burned out on the GBs......need to do something on my own for a change....please remove my name from the list.
                        Mike
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                        razordws
                        • Member since
                          September 2004
                        • From: Vernon, BC, Canada
                        Posted by razordws on Monday, November 22, 2004 8:24 PM
                        Speaking of live bait, I just looked at the front page and I seem to be the only one still doing a bomber (or a twin engine for that matter). He's going to be awfully lonely up there with all those fighters buzzing around. Hopefully some of those still sitting on the fence will consider joining the bomber fleet.

                        I recieved my Hasegawa He 111 last week along with the hot off the press Eduard PE set. Looks like a good challenge and can hardly wait.

                        Dave

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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 22, 2004 7:55 PM
                        I have a hobbycraft 109 G series i think it goes from G1 to G14 with the extra larger wooden tail and Galland hood, it's certainly not as good as the Has offering but it should build up OK......
                        As far as Emils goes i'll be building the Tamiya E 4/7 trop as an E3, this kit also gives you the markings for Black 8 JG 27 in North African markings, which IMHO is a must have, the only thing thats stopping me are those green spots"THEY WORRY ME"

                        Tweets i'll photocopy what i have and send em to you through the post, i'm not sure if it will be of much use, the B/W pic of the turret is blocked by the gunner, one thing that i did notice is if the gunner had to bail out he would have to turn his guns to full lock to get out of the back, almost impossible if the A/C was going down.....
                        Those Defiants were like the Stukas "LIVE BAIT"
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                        tho9900
                        • Member since
                          July 2004
                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Monday, November 22, 2004 5:14 PM
                        yeah I've heard their kits have really improved with time... I have a 1/24 Spit MkV in the build line... really interested in it as it comes with some resin and PE in the box...
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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                        madmike
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Perth, Western Australia
                        Posted by madmike on Monday, November 22, 2004 4:13 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

                        Hobbycraft eh?

                        Have never even seen one of their kits before.

                        Does the E look like a fall together item?
                        There's so much swapping of molds in this hobby, it's near impossible to tell who has what.


                        They need more work than the Tamigawa Emils but they do build up well. Hobbycraft offer up virtually the whole line of Me109's from B - K. I am building a Ha1112 Buchon (Bf109E with a RR Merlin - CASA built by spain) as a Civilschmitt BoB movie bird. There are even decals in the kit for the BoB movie!

                        I would still stick with a Tamigawa offering but the HC kit is a good fall back choice!

                        cheers

                        Mike
                        "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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                        fighterguru
                        • Member since
                          February 2003
                        • From: north carolina
                        Posted by fighterguru on Monday, November 22, 2004 2:21 PM
                        I haven't been on the forum for about a week so im a litle behind the 8 ball.How is everyone doing on there pre build planing?
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                        tweety1
                        • Member since
                          August 2003
                        • From: Alice Springs Australia
                        Posted by tweety1 on Monday, November 22, 2004 9:09 AM
                        Hobbycraft eh?

                        Have never even seen one of their kits before.

                        Does the E look like a fall together item?
                        There's so much swapping of molds in this hobby, it's near impossible to tell who has what.
                        --Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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                        madmike
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Perth, Western Australia
                        Posted by madmike on Monday, November 22, 2004 7:08 AM
                        Tweety

                        Oh yes, I need to build one of them!!

                        I will probably get the Tamiya offering one of these days, although I have a Hobbycraft Me109E with the tropical filter included in the box.....

                        cheers

                        Mike
                        "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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                        tweety1
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                        • From: Alice Springs Australia
                        Posted by tweety1 on Monday, November 22, 2004 6:07 AM
                        Interesting.

                        That wash would look sensational on a North African GB Emil (nudge nudgeWink [;)]Wink [;)])
                        --Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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                        madmike
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Perth, Western Australia
                        Posted by madmike on Monday, November 22, 2004 2:48 AM
                        Tweety

                        I used an oil wash (mix of raw sienna and burnt umber) over Aermaster acrylics. Darkens the area around the panel line and gives that "grimy" look!

                        thanks and cheers

                        Mike

                        "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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                        tweety1
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                          August 2003
                        • From: Alice Springs Australia
                        Posted by tweety1 on Monday, November 22, 2004 2:31 AM
                        Darren, you continuely out do yourself.
                        Have to get into those pics on ebay, they would be very useful.

                        That Defiant article is great.

                        Mike, I like the light weathering on the Emil.
                        Is it a wash you put on, or a preshade, 'cause it looks fantastic!
                        Well done
                        --Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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                        darson
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                          February 2003
                        • From: Melbourne, Australia
                        Posted by darson on Sunday, November 21, 2004 9:23 PM
                        wooverstone8. You're in, welcome to the GB, feel free to join in the pre-build chat and grab a copy of the tag.

                        tweets, here are a couple of items you may be interested in that are currently on eBay
                        http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5936178434
                        http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2287524922#ebayphotohosting

                        Also, I stubbled across this, which is a modeling, article on the Defiant which might be of some help.
                        http://www.mousematsystems.com/modelling/model_site/pages/defiant/page2.html

                        On the Defiant turret issue it looks Mike and Tom were correct. I have done some more research and it appears that Boulton Paul submitted the design incorporating a the French SAMM turret, but the production machines used the A. Mk IID turret.

                        Thanks all for all the info on 109 noses and Mike that's a fine looking Emil.

                        Cheers
                        Darren
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                        madmike
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Perth, Western Australia
                        Posted by madmike on Sunday, November 21, 2004 6:47 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

                        Would have helped if I'd read he post, of course Darren has the kit, he is building it!!Tongue [:P]Ashamed [*^_^*]

                        Anyway, here is another really decent referance site for those of us building 109's
                        http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index1024.htm

                        Pretty good pics, and some nice models.

                        Should make life a little easier for usApprove [^]


                        Here is a few pics of my 1:48 Hasegawa Me109E-4.

                        Hope they can help with the nose issue!






                        cheers

                        Mike

                        "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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                        wooverstone8
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                        • From: Olympia, WA
                        Posted by wooverstone8 on Sunday, November 21, 2004 6:20 PM
                        Count me in. I’ll be doing Academy’s 1/72 BF 109E Emil.
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                        • From: SETX. USA
                        Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:04 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by madmike

                        Darren

                        I was under the impression that Boulton Paul manufactured their own turrent?


                        that was my impression when I was reading about the B-24's.. it listed the RAF B-24's as Boulton Paul quad .303's in the tail and midsection. Later they converted to the consolidated and martin .50 cals.... and other variations but always had the boulton paul turret in the tail
                        ---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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