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nicholma

Member since
September 2003
From: New Zealand

Posted by nicholma on Monday, January 17, 2005 12:41 AM

QUOTE: [i]
The build starts on 26 Jan 05 (Australia Day) and finishes on 30 Jun 05.

291 make it 292 posts now and we haven't even started on the GB yet Big Smile [:D]

Kia ora, Mark "Time flies like the wind, fruit flies like bananas"

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:40 AM

Wayne,
I confirm that I will be building the BAe Hawk 100 Trainer in RAAF colors, and trying to do a scratchbuilt BA Falcon. I have made a start on it already, however at the time it was going to be an AU Falcon, but the AU was such a lemon I can't bring myself around to finishing it as an AU and want to do the BA and all it's beautiful colors. After the road car is completed, I will recast a body and modify it into the V8 Supercar. Party [party]

Nenad

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:38 AM

Good on ya Nenad, I have not forgotten the article. I will get some colour photocopies for you!

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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South Aussie

Member since
August 2003
From: South Australia

Posted by South Aussie on Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:35 AM

Nenad,

the group build, can you confirm that you will be building both the Hawk and car and I will add your name to the list.

The build starts on 26 Jan 05 (Australia Day) and finishes on 30 Jun 05.

Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:35 AM

Tweets glad they arrived safely, all in all a pack of 6 Luftwaffe belts from Eduard cost me about $15:00 AU, money well spent IMO......
Oh yeah, sorry mate but i took the liberty of bending a couple of the buckles over because i was a little worried that they might have been damaged via post.......

And don't worry i already have a couple of questions but they can wait until i take a pic Thumbs Up [tup]

Big Shiny Spitfire eh Laugh [(-D]

That works for me Big Smile [:D]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:23 AM

Hi I am Nenad Mitrovic, I have joined the Aussie Modelling Forum a couple of weeks ago now. I want to enter a BAE Hawk 100 Trainer and I am scratchbuilding a 1/24th scale BA Falcon (Road car and V8 Supercar.) Hopefully I can get this completed by the deadline.

When is it BTW?

Cheers
Nenad

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South Aussie

Member since
August 2003
From: South Australia

Posted by South Aussie on Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:04 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by harvs73

Hmmmm, is it Australia day yet? I want to start but i'm being good for once!

Also getting this topic back to the top.

Getting close - 10 days to go

Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.

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harvs73

Member since
March 2003
From: Melbourne, Victoria

Posted by harvs73 on Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:10 PM

Hmmmm, is it Australia day yet? I want to start but i'm being good for once! Angel [angel]

Also getting this topic back to the top.

Dave Harvey

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Bandha Boy

Member since
September 2004
From: Australia

Posted by Bandha Boy on Friday, January 14, 2005 7:44 AM

Just a word on the pre-painted PE from recent experience. It's fairly delicate so be careful when cutting it etc. I turned some upside down to cut it (on a piece of acrylic) & rubbed off some of the paintwork. You also need to be cautious of things like Zap remover & some glues (G-A) etc as they'll loosen the paint enough to shift it if you accidentally rub it before it dries out.

Carl

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Friday, January 14, 2005 7:31 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Carl, yeah mate the intake on the CAC Sabre is a little bigger in fact the whole fueselage is bigger, it had to be to get the Rolls Royce engine to fit in
Also the CAC Sabre carried 2 cannons instead of the 6 50 cals used in the US machines.....
You do use the Academy or Hasegawa F-86 as a base but you have to order a new resin Fueselage from Highplanes Models to convert the F-86 into the CAC Sabre....
It's going to be a very challenging model for me to make but thankfully i can draw on Sean's experience in making it

The fuselage is wider, longer (fractionally), and deeper, mostly noticeable under the wings where it mates to the fuselage.
The American Sabre is all skinny and girlish with peashooters up front Tongue [:P]

Usual Aussie manner really.
We take a perfectly good mode of transportation, and wack a dirty big donk in it!!!!!!!!!!!
The CAC Sabre was claimed by some to be one of, if not the, best fighter jet of it's time.
Bit of a shame it never saw any decent combat to base the stats on.

JulesGot the seat belts today Thumbs Up [tup]

Thanks heaps for that. Never used pre painted PE before, seems like it is worth the extra couple of bucks IMO.
And I'll be glad to help you out if you get any problems with that Sabre, but I reckon you'll be able to get it out in no time.
Just think of it as a big shiny Spitfire Smile [:)]

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 14, 2005 7:00 AM

Carl, yeah mate the intake on the CAC Sabre is a little bigger in fact the whole fueselage is bigger, it had to be to get the Rolls Royce engine to fit in Thumbs Up [tup]

Also the CAC Sabre carried 2 cannons instead of the 6 50 cals used in the US machines.....
You do use the Academy or Hasegawa F-86 as a base but you have to order a new resin Fueselage from Highplanes Models to convert the F-86 into the CAC Sabre....
It's going to be a very challenging model for me to make but thankfully i can draw on Sean's experience in making it Thumbs Up [tup]

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Bandha Boy

Member since
September 2004
From: Australia

Posted by Bandha Boy on Friday, January 14, 2005 5:21 AM

Question for the Sabre-Tarts: I read that the CAC Sabre had a larger intake than the overseas versions. Is this a significant difference, ie do you have to measure & carve away if using a generic US-type model as your base, or is it only a trivial difference?

Carl

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South Aussie

Member since
August 2003
From: South Australia

Posted by South Aussie on Friday, January 14, 2005 2:32 AM

Tweety if you check the follow website it will give info on the bell 47 that were in service with the Army. It has the full list of the bell 47 that were in service plus photos.

Check out A1 - 402 photo 4 it shows a black roo without the roundel with the word Army in black - I must have been colour Blindfold [X-)]

and thought I saw white when I saw this type of marking in the 60s or I had a seniors moment the other day.

http://www.adf-serials.com/army.shtml

Your sabre looks very good regardless of your problems in building it, the red intake guard makes it look very prototypical as it was very rare that the guards were not fitted when the aircraft was on the ground.

Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 14, 2005 12:16 AM

Tweety sorry mate i wouldn't have a clue about whether the armed forces used the D or not, i don't even have a clue about the difference between models Dunce [D)]

Thanks for the heads up with the Sabre Thumbs Up [tup]

you can expect a few questions coming your way while i'm building it Wink [;)]

What i might try and do is build the intake minus it's pit (because the resin pit will be seperate) and attach the nose peice and try to get the nosewheel and nose to line up at the same time Confused [%-)]

or i could ditch the intake completly and add a cover like you have that way i only have to worry about the nosewheel......

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, January 13, 2005 4:45 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

This is true Jules.
I'm glad you took on the Sabre!

This way, I get the chance to build the easy one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah and i get the nightmare!!!!!!!!!!I was looking at it today, all those big gaps along the fueselage halves, GREAT[/b}the fact that i'm gonna have to hack away about a quarter of the air intake to get it to fit into the fues with the resin pit attached, Fantastic And then there's the wings
should be fun

Madmike, agree with you totally about the Pollyscale flat clear, my LHS ran out of Gunze and Tamiya Flat clear so i ordered some pollyscale up fro Vic, i was a little hesitant about useing it because it's kinda white so i tried it on an old junker model first, after that i've always kept a 2nd bottle spare just to make sure i have enough to last

Jules, your going to have a hell of a time trying to get the nose piece to line up with the intake tunnel.
It just doesn't fit!!!!!!

I did alot of work getting the intake nice and smooth, filling it with styrene and filler so it looked sweet.

Then I had to grind out the marked areas to get all the inside stuff to fit. ([b]ALOT of grinding!!!!)

After all that, the intake sat around1.5 mm above the bottom of the resin nose piece!!!
There was no way I could fix it, everything was assembled.
But knowing in advance would have let me space the intake to suit the nose piece.

Thats why my Sabre has an intake cover on it )the red thing in the front)

If you have any questions lemme know. I hated the fact I couldn't do better on this kit, it would have looked beautiful if there was some forwarning on certain things Sad [:(]

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Weather

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:12 PM

Quote:
Hiya Michael to the Aussie GB.

I like your idea for the M113 FSV, I’ve always liked that vehicle and it only seems like a few years ago I was driving around the country side in one of those things.

Tell me what is the weather like in Southern California at the moment? Over here in Aus it's getting a little warm at the moment, I think tomorrow is going to be something like 99 degrees Fahrenheit.

Cheers
Darren

It must have been very exciting driving a m113 around. The model caught my eye at the shop when I purchased it.

The weather in Southern California has been terrible. It has been raining at least one inch an day for 15 days straight. Floods and mudslides have made the national news. It has just recently improved to the sunny days and 70 degree weather we are used to.

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Bandha Boy

Member since
September 2004
From: Australia

Posted by Bandha Boy on Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:35 AM

Frontline have the Hasegawa RAAF Beaufighter on special, albeit in baby scale, for anyone still looking for ideas.

http://www.frontlinehobbies.com/Shop/productDetails.aspx?productID=0093666

Carl

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:35 AM

Ok, guys, seems the Polly flat is pretty common.
Personally I use Microscale's Micro Flat atm.
In a pinch I mix up some Pledge with Tamiya base. You have to get this spot on otherwise you wind up with white build up in places. On the good side, it looks like weathering.

Did the Australian services ever use Bell 47 D's at any point?????????????

--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???

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South Aussie

Member since
August 2003
From: South Australia

Posted by South Aussie on Thursday, January 13, 2005 4:40 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

Yeah Darson i've heard many good things about the Vallego range but i havn't come across any either......But if i get the oppurtunity i'll certainly give it a go

Sounds like Im lucky in regards to Vallejo as one of the LHS in Adelaide stocks it. I've tried both their normal colour and Airbrush types and have been extremely happy with them. They are really worth a try if you can get them.

Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.

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South Aussie

Member since
August 2003
From: South Australia

Posted by South Aussie on Thursday, January 13, 2005 4:33 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by darson

Wayne, here is a link to some walkaround shots of an RAAF Bell 47G. They show where and what colors the roo was painted.

Darren thanks for the link, looks like I might have been wrong about the roundels( Bow [bow]

Sorry Tweety), the bell 47 in the photo was owned by the army as indicated by the ARMY marking. It was one of a very limited number of aircraft that the Army owned at that time. It wasn't until around the time that Blackhawk came into service that the ownership of the chopper fleet was transferred from airforce to army.

Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 13, 2005 4:04 AM

Yeah Darson i've heard many good things about the Vallego range but i havn't come across any either......But if i get the oppurtunity i'll certainly give it a go Thumbs Up [tup]

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:41 AM

I'm a little better of than Jules, I can get Tamiya & Gunze Acrylics and Humbrol, Model Master and Xtracolor enamels. My weapon of choice is usually MM for most things though.
I would love to try the Vallejo acryl range but I haven't found anybody close(ish) by that stocks them.

Darren

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:59 AM

Mike i wish my LHS carried the Pollyscale range, all thats readilly available to me is Gunze and Tamiya acrylics and enamels plus the Humbrol range of enamels, if i want anything else such as Pollyscale i have to order it from Interstate Disapprove [V]

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:50 AM

As my Aeromaster Warbird acrylics are used up, I will replace them with the Pollyscale range. I managed to talk the LHS into giving me a Pollyscale paint catalogue, so at least I can order in comfort Smile [:)]

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:27 AM

Yeah the next Aussie Spitfire's will have Pollyscale paints on them, the only coats that will not be Pollyscale is the pledge coats i put on between the colours Thumbs Up [tup]

Snowy Mtn Models seems to have a good range of these paints.......

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:54 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by j.s.harrison

QUOTE: Originally posted by tweety1

This is true Jules.
I'm glad you took on the Sabre!

This way, I get the chance to build the easy one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah and i get the nightmare!!!!!!!!!!I was looking at it today, all those big gaps along the fueselage halves, GREAT[/b}the fact that i'm gonna have to hack away about a quarter of the air intake to get it to fit into the fues with the resin pit attached, [b]Fantastic And then there's the wings
should be fun

Madmike, agree with you totally about the Pollyscale flat clear, my LHS ran out of Gunze and Tamiya Flat clear so i ordered some pollyscale up fro Vic, i was a little hesitant about useing it because it's kinda white so i tried it on an old junker model first, after that i've always kept a 2nd bottle spare just to make sure i have enough to last

I used up the last of my Aeromaster flat clear just before heading off to the US on holiday. On speaking with one of the blokes at Brookhurst Hobbies in LA, he confirmed that Aeromaster paints were made by Pollyscale and I walked out with two bottles of Pollyscale flat, low sheen, satin, semi gloss and gloss.

I use the flat the most and order a bottle every time I run out and break into one of my two reserves. Thinned out enough (airbrush thinness) they brush paint wonderfully on my 25mm and Battletech miniatures.

cheers

Mike

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

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Bandha Boy

Member since
September 2004
From: Australia

Posted by Bandha Boy on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:56 PM

QUOTE: male masculinity.!!

QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

Model Master here in the US (Testors) makes a flat clear that sounds a lot like the Polly Scale one yall use... same thing, almost a white color from the bottle but it gives great results!!! I'll not use that laquer stuff again! My decals don't like it without a LOT of future!

Polly Scale is made by Testors & I'm sure you can find it over there as well. It mystifies me what the exact differences are between all of these different lines that Testors make.

Future...Heard about that stuff, perhaps you could send a crate of it over so that we can stop dreaming about it.

Carl

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:40 PM

Wayne, gonna change that PV-1 to a tentative build, put me down for an AT-6 and ??? will let you know Sun...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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tho9900

Member since
July 2004
From: SETX. USA

Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:37 PM

Model Master here in the US (Testors) makes a flat clear that sounds a lot like the Polly Scale one yall use... same thing, almost a white color from the bottle but it gives great results!!! I'll not use that laquer stuff again! My decals don't like it without a LOT of future!

I have given myself a dealine to announce a second build for this... by this Sun I will have my second build...

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!

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darson

Member since
February 2003
From: Melbourne, Australia

Posted by darson on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:39 PM

Wayne, here is a link to some walkaround shots of an RAAF Bell 47G. They show where and what colors the roo was painted.

http://apma.org.au/reference/helicopter/bell47raaf/raafbell47.html

Jules, It's Pollyscale clear flat for me any day. As these paints are hard to come by regularly like you I have a few extra bottles on hand for a rainy day.

Gaoler, Sign - Welcome [#welcome]

to the Aussie GB, it's great to have some new and international faces joining the build. If either you or Michael needs a hand with references just ask, there are plenty of people here who can help.

Cheers
Darren

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