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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:01 PM
well guys I did some more on the Vals here are the engine cowlings and the wheels.














I'll have more pics later of the cowlings installed on the Vals.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:26 PM
Jay - bummer! I don't spray Tamiya anymore but what you have sounds like possible temperature... Also what could be happening is (perhaps again to temperature or whatever reason) the paint is drying quickly around the nozzle area where it comes up to be atomized from the paint jar.. this would be the little lumpy/grainy things you were talking about... a retarder would also help I would think, it slows the drying time of the paint. You can get it at most art stores under names like Goldens Airbrush Medium, Liquitex Airbrush Medium etc...

Also I have heard of people using alcohol (91%) for thinning the Tamiya and having good results... Not sure as I never got around to using that, I always used Tamiya thinner and still do for when I spray MM.. mostly I use Vallejo now and it just uses water to thin.. it's a bit different than the other acrylics.
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:54 PM
Matthew - that's the same look my dogs give me when I tall them that no... they CAN'T lay on my bed... just like the last time they asked... they get this look of not comprehending.

As far as the belly color... why not silver! I've seen myriad references to that too, and since no one else has built one like that... you'd be the first! I'd be interested in what that looked like.

I have also seen other resources from j-aircraft say the belly was a light grey with a bit of green to it.. an ash grey they called it.. the chip labeled 12 in the pic is a scaled shade of a Kate shot own at Pearl, the chip to the right of it labeled Kate is a match to the real thing that was shot down and crashed near the hospital at Pearl... that 12 chip should be a good go by if you go for the greenish color....

http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/gregspringer/wem-review/wem-review.htm

here's a good table for mixing the different colors yourself, if you use Gunze or Tamiya that is.. I am sure you could approximate it if using something else:

http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/jmixes.htm


---edit---
added a bit of clarity to where the chip labeled Kate came from
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Posted by fightnjoe on Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:36 PM
jay that would be no problem. he was part of the attack even though he did not participate in the bombing.



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Posted by jboutin on Friday, October 28, 2005 8:49 AM
Right on, Then Tetsuzo Iwamoto I'ma gonna build!
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, October 28, 2005 8:10 PM
ACK!!!! I was sure I posted this last night...

Mike - looking good!!! I was noticing how close the green you chose for your Vals matched the Kate paint chip on j-aircraft... sorry for the late reply but I was SURE I said something about it last night.. oh well old age is setting in early I am starting to think...

Can't wait to see them complete! who makes that kit? I am thinking of going more into the smaller stuff for lack of room for 1/32 and 148 stuff I have been building.. (I've been giving it away)
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, October 28, 2005 11:58 PM
they are 1/72 scale Fujimi Val Dive Bombers got em in the 50th anniversary box(50th anniversary of the end of the war in the Pacific which puts the manufacture of the kit in 1995.) though I am not sure if that kit is discontinued or not.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by scottrc on Saturday, October 29, 2005 8:34 AM
Arizona Update:

At approximately 7:55am on October 28, a lone, unidentified aircraft made its way through both the outer defenses and the secondary defenses set up to protect the dry-dock facilities at Scott's Shipyards. The attacker came in low under radar and was in stealth mode so that it could not be detected by audiophonic listening devises or the K9 Labrador early warning system. At about 8 am it made its attack on the Arizona, which was dry-docked and undergoing an extensive remodeling of its superstructure and armament. The attacker made one run on the Arizona and scored four hits on the defenseless ship. Damage was superficial on the forward superstructure; however, the rear observation tower and number three turret took a direct hit. This damage was severe in that the number three TMW PE catapult was about 90% complete and was completely destroyed. Also, a direct hit was placed on a lone WEM 02 observation plane which was completed and being fitted to the catapult. This aircraft was a total write-off.

Repairs to the ship may have set back the completion of the project at least two weeks, which is already experiencing both high cost over-runs and is at risk of missing a December 7th deployment.

The attacker was picked up on audiophonic listening after it was about to embark on a second attack and was subdued, after a long chase around the dockyard, by intercepting forces. The pilot was captured and is in lock down undergoing intelligence debriefing.

The attacker was described as being a very light and agile craft with black and white markings and had stealth capabilities. It had four primary defense mechanisms that would allow it to impose smashing effects on maritime and aviation structures and also create painful, searing abrasions on human flesh. Although it sounded like it was powered by an internal combustion engine, it seemed, after evaluating the odors of the exhaust, that it was powered by some organic method of fuel.

The pilot was described as behind 6" tall, 13 1/4 " long, is missing thumbs, wearing a fur flight suite, had yellow slanted eyes, speaks in code of high pitched consonants, and only responds when scratched behind the ears or offered small biscuits made of dried fish.

A Congressional investigation is being conducted as to why and how the primary defenses were left open to the shipyard and extensive training in shipyard security procedures will be conducted to all staff and family members of the shipyard.

Further training and evaluation will be conducted on the K9 Labrador early warning system because it failed to alert the where a bouts of the said attacker to dockyard officials.

The Senate has asked that a declaration of war be presented and that the attacker be deported to an isolated farm in Southwestern Kansas where it may end up being an evening meal for the resident coyotes, but this proposal was rejected by the House, who has strong, emotional ties to the attacker.

Pictures are still classified but may be posted when they become declassified.

Scott

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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:20 AM
lol Scott.. a day that will live in infamy... hopefully the attack was a single event and not the onslaught of new hostilities against you...
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:42 AM
sure beats the time I was at a model contest and a guy brought a 1/144 scale B-52 in and it had a hole in the right wing turns out his pet cat was part SA-2 SAM

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, October 29, 2005 8:23 PM
Well, so far Rudy, my "Bagel" (half beagle, half basset hound), has not made it into the modeling room. I have a baby gate up just in case... but he is the smartest out of my three dogs, and the more mischevious of the three... It's only a matter of time... Disapprove [V]

Maybe one of those electric fences with the shock collar activated by it is the road I need to go down... Wink [;)]

Of course it would slow down the rate of shoe replacement too if I extended it to the bedroom as well... Clown [:o)] I'm on my 4th pair of Timberland's ... all my fault because I left them low and within reach of him...
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Posted by jboutin on Monday, October 31, 2005 9:26 AM
Zero progress report: I sanded the bad spots down and repainted in the early evening when it was warmer and the paint went on much nicer. I think now that the cold is coming here in Canada I won't be able to paint in the mornings, I'll have to wait and do my air brushing when I first get home after work. Anyway, I was able to get the stripes masked and sprayed this weekend and it looks great! Future tonight and then decals probably wed or thurs as I printed off the correct aircraft codes on a custom decal sheet and I have to wait 3 days for it to set before I apply the decal sealer.

The only complaint I have is the Tamiya JN grey has a lot of green in it and it looks like green-grey and for some readon doesn't look "right". Not like any models I have seen from other people. Oh well, next time I'll try to mix some ameiro. It still looks good, just not correct. I guess we'll see when I get the decals on. Progress pics coming soon.Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 31, 2005 12:49 PM
Can we do planes and inland airfields?
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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, October 31, 2005 5:35 PM
Jay - for a long time Tamiya IJN grey was "The" color for IJN aircraft... unfortunately with more knowledge we are also faced with a measly assortment of research material available to get our paints on spot with. Sure j0aircraft is a wonderful place, but going on some of the desriptions (written word) it's hard to get a picture of the actual color...

The best I saw was the piece of Pearl Zero recovered a few yrs back with paint intact and not weathered badly. I'll see if I can find that link again. I'm basically going to wing it and to say the heck with the detractors as they can't prove me wrong any more than I can prove I am right. (Well unless it was one of those people who have SEEN the paint chips in real life and know what it looked like) but I douibt I get many of them ragging on my model haha..

On the home front things are going good. The F3F-2 Part 2 is going well, fuselage is closed, the insignia red is painted on (BEFORE the alclad haha) and after one more shot with the future tonight tomorrow or so I will alclad the exterior. I might trial the red first with some Tamiya masking tape to see if IT will lift... it shouldn't but better find out at this stage than AFTER the Alclad is on... it's a lot easier to strip a little acrylic off than the Alclad..

Should have some pics of the fuselage tomorrow... The fun part of painting the upper wing yellow is coming... I hate yellow.. Disapprove [V]
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Posted by jboutin on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 3:28 PM
To anyone who would know. Were the zero's at the time of the attack gloss, semi gloss or flat. I know the black engine cowlings was gloss but what about the wings and fuselage, would it look funny to apply a flatcoat to it. I just put some future on and am ready for the decals so I need to know kind of soon. Thanks!
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Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 5:37 PM
Jay - one of the more interesting reports I read on colors and gloss said that the front half of the fuselage was semi gloss, the rear half was flat. Jules and I are doing ours like that for the Midway GB. I'll see if I can find some ref's for you but otherwise I would either go a soft semi gloss overall or the half and half mixture.

here's a bunch of models on j-aircraft and most apprear to be either or (semi gloss or half and half), none of them look flat to me.

The tannish color is what some beleive was the right color, the grayish green the other side of the fence...

http://www.j-aircraft.com/gallery/navy/a6m2_gallery.htm
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Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 7:23 PM
Well I got some more done on the F3F... this time I did things in the correct order and got the red stripe on without the loss of life or limb (or aluminum paint)... there's a few things wrong with my build (*edit* all my fault) but I've had a lot of fun on it so far and wouldn't doubt if a couple more popped into my stash down the road... we'll see after I get to the rigging part... I should be there by Thurs I would think...

I still need to gloss the cowl more and buff out the alclad once it has dried more... (I know it is not a buffable paint but it seems to get any dusty metal flakes off the paint) also the wings aren't glued in yet, just stuck in the slots... I plan to build the upper and lower wings as one unit them slip it down over the fuselage and insert the lower wings into the slot when I do it for real.. (at the recommendation of the AM online build) it did look easier that way after thinking about it...





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Posted by scottrc on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:23 AM
Tom, that silver and red finish looks great.

Scott

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Posted by jboutin on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:49 AM
Tom, sweet looking F-3F, I love the little tubby fighter put out by grumman.

Well here is the progress as of Halloween night, it now has a coat of future and maybe tonight I'll get some decals on!:







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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 5:07 PM
Scott, Jay - thanks! I think it will really be set off by the chrome yellow upper wing surfaces when I get there... The plane really goes together easy and except for a big goof placing the upper nose onto the fuselage it went smooth.

Jay - looks good! did you paint those ID stripes or are they decals?
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Posted by jboutin on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 6:06 PM
Thanks Tom! The stripes were masked and painted. I think they turned out very nicely. I find white a little hard to paint (time consuming) as you need to have a light spray with many, many passes.

I actually found some decals for a zero from the Zuikaku but a few days later when I went back to the LHS, it was gone! Just goes to show you shouldn't wait - Carpe Diem! Angry [:(!]

For some reason I don't usually go with purely kit decals for most things. On this one I didn't want the Akagi zero that the Tamiya kit has so I went for one from the Zuikaku. When I found out Tetsuzo Iwamoto (some sources say he had over 100 but www.acesofww2.com lists his vistories at 80) flew during the PH battle, albeit only CAP over the Japanese carrier force, I just had to do his. Funny thing is I also have the Hasegawa Ki-43I Oscar but I'm settling on purely kit decals for that one as I wanted a JAAF ace but since I couldn't find any for Satoshi Anabuki - 39 victories ( I found some for his Ki-43II though), I am settling on Tateo Kato -19 victories, which are in the box. Go figure...Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 7:50 PM
Cool Jay! yeah I find most kit decals fairly dull... a drastic exception was the Bf110 in 1/48 by Fujumi... it has about 5 different planes you could build, most of them aces. My favorite was the "Wespen" markings. A wasp body down each side of the nose and the tip of the nose had a exagerated size head with huge eyes and antennae. Of course you had to paint the head on... and of course it was yellow so you know the story there...

This was my first try at masking my own stripes... I am planning on sticking with it as they look much more realistic! I may even buy the nat'l insignia masks if I get bold later down the line...
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:25 PM
Jay and Tom I may be wrong but wasn't JN Gray supposed to be a lighter shade of Gray versus dark?

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by fightnjoe on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 11:30 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Thanato

Can we do planes and inland airfields?


you are more than welcome to do them. there is a month to the finish.



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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, November 3, 2005 7:02 AM
Mike - right, it was more of a shade between light grey and nuetral grey.. ---edit--- in shade if not in hue

here are some pics from real Zero fragments recovered from wrecks at Pearl Harbor from the battle:

http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/jimlansdale/pearl/jimlpearl.htm
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 3, 2005 7:11 AM
Tom & Jay, Your builds are looking fantastic fellasThumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Tom you certainly have painting alcad all figured out eh...........

And looking at those pieces of wrecked A/C i'd have to say that i may not have that much of an accurate Zero seein as how i used a lightened Gunze IJN grey...Oh well i like the way it looks so "So be it"............
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Posted by jboutin on Thursday, November 3, 2005 10:46 AM
Thanks Jules.

To anyone, a question: what is the best way to remove overspray from clear canopies where the mask lifted a bit? I've heard a sharpened toothpick works. I ask cuz I just know that I'm going to need it on my zero's birdcage, there are a few spots where the mask is lifting.
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, November 3, 2005 3:21 PM
Tom it looks like the shade shown on the J-Aircraft siteis closer to the Japanese Army Gray I used on my Vals.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, November 3, 2005 5:50 PM
Mike - I had to go back and look at the pics again but actually you're right. It does sort of have that tinge to it. Maybe that might be a good way to go with trying to come up with a color. Which brand of paint did you use? I could go back and read again to see if you posted but I am lazy! Wink [;)]

Jules - actually there is a comparison on the major paints and how much the researcher thought they looked like the corresoinding paint chips... I'll see if I can dig it up. I know Gunze was on there. And you're right, beyond a few 60 yr old relics there's no clear definition on the colors. I'm just going to go with an interpretation of the colors I like and like you said... so be it! The only thing I feel is correct is that they weren't true grey... either a greenish grey or a caramel grey...

The sad thing is, in one of the articles I was reading there is some fellow in Japan with original manufacturer paint chips from Mitsubishi and Nakajima and he won't let anyone at them to compare... dang selfish!!! Angry [:(!]
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, November 3, 2005 7:18 PM
Tom I used Tamiya Japanese Army Gray

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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