Young Guns GB #2

My stuka's starting to take shape!
I've started building a new cockpit and have been dry fitting lots of parts to see if they require filling .

No no scer, I love america too. Seriously. I won't ghet into the curent president though. Matt, as far as India goes very technically sopeaking they were a non-aligned country. In reality, they were the Soviet Union's biggest non Eastern Bloc ally. After 1962 when the Chinese invaded India, India developed very very strong economic and military ties with the soviet union. One example is this- the ONLY non warsaw pact country the MiG-27 was exported to was India. The MiG-29 was exported to all other countries as a downgraded variant. Only India and the USSR operated full fledged versions. Modern Russia has only developed one plane specifically for a customer, and that is the SU-30MKI (Guess what "I" stand for) Ok sorry for the history lesson guys... Anyway, back on topic, I started my build and it is going rather well. Pics to come.

Okay, Just to clarify my own position on this:
The Soviet Union was not a communism after lenin. under stalin it was a dictatorship, and after him it was a corrupt beureucracy. I happen to Like the Soviet Union because it was so idealistic, had a large army (which is definitely not communist) and it's citizens were so fiercely patriotic (some of them anyway) (and, patriotism is uncommunist, but i just wont go there)
I support Marxist-Leninist Philosophy. Obviously, though, a revolutionary communist state cannot be set up in one day, but takes many decades, and possibly centuries (Communism isn't old enough yet). to keep the people working, a Lenin-like NEP must be used to provide monetary incentive to the people. however, the main thing is to have the people in control, not any bosses. Over time more communist methods will be used.
Also, a major myth of Communism is the myth that no-one owns anything. This is not true. You own your house. You own your car. you own your computer, books, you name it. What you can't own are the means of production. and i'm not talking about a basement workbench here. It's factories, farms, television studios, and textile mills that you can't own. These must be owned by the community so that they can be used by the community for the good of the Community. Selling homemade lemonade is still just fine.

But anyway, I don't really want to go down that road. In model building, the Worker's spirit and someone singing the Soviet National Anthem really gets me psyched up! not to mention a few propaganda poster scattered liberally around.

So, what I came here for was to ask: Does anyone have reference pics for a soviet BMP-2

Comrad,

In WWII the people Hated Stalin and Most civilians were Jumping into the arms of the Germans Unitl the SS came through and they were murdered. The army was Communists, what would they have been, fascist..? If Stalin was not a commie, why was he insistant on making buffer zones to stop the democracies that he said were coming to invade the Communist Russia?

In russia You can have a phone and a computer BUT - For a phone in could take 20 years just to get one installed. Computer, who knows!
Want to own a car? Hmmm, The Communist cars were 2 stroke engines and put out more pollution than god knows what. Heck, My dirtbike isnt even a 2 stoke, neither is our lawn mower.
My history teacher's wife is a Russian, When asked by a gov official "Why do you want to leave russia?" She replied "Because there is nothing here. And besides, most of the men are drinkers here."
And I keep hearing, "well if the people would work"
Why should they work! If their gov wont let them have quality goods. What do they get if they work? No bonus nothing. But if you give them a bonus, they will want more and more. This is what is happening with China. In the future (probably not too far away) China will become a democracy.
The people who want communism in places like russia have never reall y had freedom. When the Soviet Union Collapsed The russians had caos. There still is alot of that today. It will take a long time for Russia to see the free world.

If you support Communism, Something is seriously wrong with you.

Hmmm, well Communism is still a work in progress. It has never worked, but that deosn't mean it can't still work. But how much worse is it than living in a corrupt corporate-media controlled government beuracracy?

[#offtopic[#offtopic[#offtopic That goes for everyone. My build is coming along well- I have begun cockpit detail painting and still need to scratch some wires and handle for the cockpit.

Oh, BTW, reb, what sergei is referring to is that according to Marx a true communist state would not have an army. at all. period.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tankmaster7 Hmmm, well Communism is still a work in progress. It has never worked, but that deosn't mean it can't still work. But how much worse is it than living in a corrupt corporate-media controlled government beuracracy?

how much worse, OMG! Have you not seen pics of Russia, East Germany etc! They were living in some of the worst conditions I have ever seen! Its pretty sad that that is how you see america. Did you know under a communist gov you would have been locked up or killed because your neighbor was spying on you and turned you in?
I believe the media has a minor influence on the Public, The republicans are sticking to their side, and the democrats to theirs.

Comrade Sergi.
http://www.lexikon.fungamebtl.de/lexikon/land/bmp2/bmp2.html

Tanky's right.I strongly disagree, but I'll just stop arguing now. We can put aside our differences, for we are all comrades-in-arms in the World of plastic modeling.

Nice Pics, Ygmodeler. Too bad they didn't have too much of what I was looking for.
More specifically, I was looking for 2 things.
1: pics of the troop compartment interior. you had one of those, which has greatly discouraged me from attempting to scratchbuild an interior.
2: pics of the turret. My decal sheet is confusing me, and I want a clarification on what insignia are on the turret of a soviet BMP-2

Its very sad that you dont realize the effects of communism really sad.

Well, as far as models go, I have been in a slump or something, I cant seem to want to finish anything up.

More Bad news. The arrival of my Airbursh Compressor has been delayed once again. My Grandpa has my airbush, and has made it his quest to find a compressor that fits it. Unfourtunately, all the Compressors he sees always have a nasty habit of running only off 6V car batteries.
So, nothing will be happening to my kits for a while. So i guess i'll just have to look for reference pics while I'm waiting. Should i search google for BMP-2? No, that would never work...

This I found by searching googl....ov! Its...uh...a new russian search engine....yeah
Anyway:


and this one is pretty cool: http://www.supercable.es/~ptma/javelin.mpg

Wierd Nazi RC anti-tank tank: http://personales.ya.com/ptma/goliath.mpg

O, forget it. so many cool videos. it's at: http://www.portierramaryaire.com/pags/video.htm

QUOTE: Did you know under a communist gov you would have been locked up or killed because your neighbor was spying on you and turned you in?

Can we say PATRIOT Act?

No but seriously guys, let's stop arguing... No point in it really. I haven't been getting too much time to build- school is getting in the way as usual. But I might have the cokpit finished up by tonight. The resin cokpit is really nice- well detailed. And with the addition of a few wires and hydraulic lines, it looks even better.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tankmaster7 Can we say PATRIOT Act?

no comment.

The BMP looks like its actually a pretty rommy vehicle. I was expectim more cramped space.

Yeah, I know. The hatches on my kit are so small. My 1:35 tanker people don't fit through them. But the inside is great. and look at those padded seats!

QUOTE: Have you not seen pics of Russia, East Germany etc! They were living in some of the worst conditions I have ever seen!

Yeah I have seen pics and it is definitely much worse than living in America. That's not what my statement meant...

But I also know what it's like in modern day Russia- because, well, I've been there. And not much has changed. (Except for billboards. The only thing that's different is the billboards.) They're nto even living under a proper democracy- Putin's running the place like a dictatorship.

On the modeling front, cockpit detail painting is almost finsihed!! I shall post pics soon.

So I apologize if anyone thought I was insulting America. I would never do that. I only insult our president.

Whats wrong with the president? Did you really want John Kerry or even worse, Howard dean running the country! That sick!

About putin, If you have been to Russia, then you know that since the Soviet regime collapsed, Russia has been in complete coas. Nobody is folowing the laws etc. What putin is doing, is instating harsher laws which will eventually be released. With these laws Russia will slowy come out of the caos.
It is very hard for a country to move into a democracy when they have never had freedom. Many dislike it and want communism back in place. But with time the new generations will become used to democracy and the older generations will eventually die out.

QUOTE: Originally posted by rebelreenactor Whats wrong with the president? Did you really want John Kerry or even worse, Howard dean running the country! That sick!

Ummmmm... I won't even discuss that.

I'll try and post pics tomorrow. I migh have the fuselage closed up and the wings on by monday, which would be cool and make for one of my fastest builds ever.

Im not sure if Im going to do the wirbelwind, I may pick up an aircraft, but Ill let you know If I do.Im thinking about doing an A-10 or something.

QUOTE: About putin, If you have been to Russia, then you know that since the Soviet regime collapsed, Russia has been in complete coas. Nobody is folowing the laws etc. What putin is doing, is instating harsher laws which will eventually be released. With these laws Russia will slowy come out of the caos. It is very hard for a country to move into a democracy when they have never had freedom. Many dislike it and want communism back in place. But with time the new generations will become used to democracy and the older generations will eventually die out.

That's true enough, and I support a strong leadership in Russia right now. But did you know that 2 weeks ago, Putin stated that the greatest geo-political disaster of all time was the collapse of the Soviet Union?

I have finally started my sherman

good thing the deadline was extended
too lazy to paint my dingo, maybe in a little bit

Im gone for two days, everythings calm and peaceable when i leave. i come back and find an ongoing mud fest ragging here. this sux a s s g o d a m m i t. you guys should try just realxing and reading over the last page or so of dirt yu just threw at each other.

this thing has gone on too long all ready. if NEone posts up more crap about how they feel about politics or goernment, or media, or whatever, I AM GOING TO COMMUNICATE THE PROBLEM TO THE KOMMANDANTS AND ASK THEM TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM DIRECTLY. i just dont give a fuck

this is a group build, not a political debate. its a subject thats been banned from the forum NEway.

Yeah but Puti- just kidding .LOL. I have some pics for you guys, but my camera is out of batteries and I'm too lazy to replace them at the moment.

Oh, and by Kommandants, do you mean "moderators"?

I see you've got a new Muhammed quote, did he really say those things though? I have a hard time believing that anyone could say something so stupid.

QUOTE: Im gone for two days, everythings calm and peaceable when i leave. i come back and find an ongoing mud fest ragging here.

Yup, that's right. This thread can't survive without ya. You're god around here.

As for me, I say we leave all of this on unlucky page number 13.

yea i do mean moderators, or overseers or whoever has electronic control around here...

yea, actually theres a whole website devoted to the guy. theres a list of stuff he said, too long to have been concocted out of thin air. ive got like a hundred or so lines downloaded from the site, just for the hell of it....

im sorry if i sounded like some pompous ****** back there, but what was said had to be said, and i thot it was better if it came from a noncombatant.

so, yea lets just let it go there.

Tisn't hot air, it's called frustration. just move your @$$ to home depot and buy a frikkin compressor.

yea, man you can get one for like less than $100, and a hose attachment for it too

My first compressor was from home depot. I think it was 50 bucks, and it came with a hose. Then all you need to buy is an attachment to the hose that will trap water. No more than 10 bucks. The air cans are gonna cost you over time.

Don't you think I know that!!! UI considered air cans, but i've got only about 100 bucks, so I tried to go to home depot to get me a kompressor but my mom said i should wait for my grandpa to get hiome (he is perpetually in florida except for the times when he's not) cause he knows about kompressors and might have one and he has a home depot card so we waited for him and when he comes back, first he gives me this big paint gun that holds like a quart, and then he said he'd give me his compressor but then he siad it was too big so he'd find me a smaller one and he did exept it runs off of car batteries and so now he wants me to get a can of air like i had planned to a million years ago but now it's cost me so much time and i cant get anything done and i wish i could drive so i could just get the thing myself, so i'll have to wit till i'm 16 until i get an airbrush which isn't that far away but most of these GB will end before i get my license so that frikking sucks and i got a nice pretty badger sittignaround collecting dust along with my kits.

that does suck
when do you get your liscense?

I havbn't had any lessons yet. your guess is as good as mine.

In NY here no license until 17. Segei said he wasn't 16 yet so in some states he's got 2 years to go.