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North African GB "All Subjects" (Start NOW - Finish 31st of Oct)

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Posted by KJ200 on Monday, April 25, 2005 3:47 AM
Tanky I feel your pain, I did the same thing last week!

I do the panic thing as well when people start quoting RLM numbers, as I'm forever getting them mixed up!

Progress Report

Having said that I'd finished the cockpit on the MS406, I haven't. I was looking at some photos of the real thing, and realised that the head rest was too low on the kit item, and missing several support tubes and a headrest cushion.

After rooting around the spares box I came up the Hasa Hurri armoured head rest from the BoBGB, cut it down and installed it along with some brass wire bent at various angles to represent the frame work behind the pilot's perch.

I also drilled out the air scoops either side of the engine, as well as removing the tail plane strut mounts from the tail plane.

Why remove the strut mounts? because if I built them as per the kit, the struts would have been attached to the elevator and not the stabiliser itself!!!!!!!

All in all slow progress, but it's getting there, and I'm enjoying it too.

I'll post some pics later this week.

Karl

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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:32 PM
haha hard to move your lips like that when they are curled in agony maybe? I've been fortunate, my Xacto rolls off the desk once a day at least... never had a problem... of course I am usually wearing boots...

Got the underside of the stuka painted RLM 79 and waiting till tomorrow to do some more small assembly and put the topcoat on.

Here's some shots I have been looking at for the scheme, of course the plain RLM 79 scheme would work well for early campaign... but I was thinking a litlle more elaborate... my AB could do most of these:

here is where I got them: http://www.afwing.com/gallery/ju87.htm

and here are the ones I like:

The first two are a tie for first place:



I like the next one because of the subtle tan over a splinter scheme.



This one is a close second, easily masked off... undercoat of green then mask and spray the tan//





---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:24 PM
Darren Yeah mate i've changed my photobucket account, gotta go to work in a minute so i'll fix it up this arvo........

Tanky Hmmm stabbed yourself eh, Kremps Sticks a cork on the end of Toms knife and fork whenever he eats to stop himself accidentaly poking his eye out, maybe we could get her to put one on your modelling knifeThumbs Up [tup]

Progress report::::: To start with i'm changing the livery on my 109, instead of a 109F/4 in JG 27 livery i'm going for a 109 G2/R1 Trop in the markings of JG 77, i just figured that JG 27 was pretty well covered already.....
Anyway i had 2 hours of uninterupted airbrushing time last night and managed to get the preshade in RLM 66 on all three of the 109's i'm currently working on, the plan for tonight is to paint all the underside colours on the three Messerschmitts, gonna start with RLM 76 for the red nosed F/4 then rinse and RLM 78 for the G/2 and then the RLM 65 for the Emil..........
BTW i've taken some pics but i have to wait until i finish the film, i've started using the Pentax cause the digi cam is broken.....

Edit:::::: forgot forward slash in bold
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:22 PM
Tanky, I've done the same a couple of times. Most modelers have a few scars from their labors.

Tom, Looking forward to seeing the Stuka.

Regards, Rick
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by darson on Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:19 PM
Ouch [:0] sorry to hear about your wound there Tanky. I hope you didn't get blood all over your models.

Darren
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:33 PM
In case you haven't noticed Tom, the excruciating pain in my leg has made me drop the accent.Wink [;)] And as to your comments in the AB forum, I didn't get the part, and I wish it was the second reason...
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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:11 PM
OUT! OUT! Damn knife! sorry was waxing poetical and all...

Well I got my RLM 78... all ready to go... got some more small bits on the underside, one more check at the seams and glue spots and I am going to shoot my first coat tonight!!! looking forward to seeing a stuka on my shelf again...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:00 PM
YOOOOOOOWWWWWCH!!!! I just stabbed myself with my X-acto knife. I was masking away at a canopy, I put my knofe down, and it slowly rolled of my workbench, and well you can guess the rest. It didn't embedd itself too deeply in my led though... It's still bleeding though. Damn knife...
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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, April 24, 2005 2:18 PM
Tweets - I never said how old I was did I? hmmm... 4/22/1836... nope I was born at least a few yrs after that! Wink [;)]

would I have been around then I am sure that would have been the reason... once they found out I was born they'd know the worse was just around the corner... why not cut losses now? or umm... something like that Wink [;)]
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by tweety1 on Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:05 AM
Hmmmmmm.
Tom's born, and a country surrenders...................
Guess they knew there was no hope huh TomWink [;)]

Tell me Tom, did they surrender the SAME day you were born
Wink [;)]Wink [;)]Tongue [:P]Clown [:o)]
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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:30 AM
Rick - sorry, just a little Texas pride welling up... Wink [;)] I guess the fact that Mexico surrendered on my birthday was no accident right? Big Smile [:D]
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, April 23, 2005 9:55 PM
Tom.... Remember the Alamo Smile [:)].

Regards, Rick
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:22 PM
Darren I know the feeling... it's especially bad when the color call out says to use the wrong color... and then the NEXT one is closer but still wrong!!! I just knew something was odd about those RLM numbers!!! So tomorrow I go to get my RLM 78.

Today my wife and I went to a reenactment of the Battle of San Jacinto. It is the battle where Texas earned its independence from Mexico. about 900 Texians as they were called, defeated about 3000 Mexican troops in less than 20 minutes. The Texans lost 9, the Mexican Army lost near 630 troops dead, 208 wounded and 730 captured...

I know it is off topic but here is an account: something we Texans are very proud of... a bunch of farmers, businessmen and land owners defeating the army of a mighty nation at the time...

http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/batsanjacinto.htm
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by darson on Saturday, April 23, 2005 7:08 PM
Why is it when ever I read any of these "color should be" posts I instantly panic and head for my color references to triple check everything is ok. Well I have now been recalled from DEFCON 2 after I checked that the colors for my 109 are indeed RLM 79/80 over RLM 78. But thanks anyway Rick.
I've got to stop second guessing myself Tongue [:P]

Jules the GB badges seem to have disappeared from page one of the build.

Cheers
Darren
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Posted by tweety1 on Saturday, April 23, 2005 7:01 PM
Sad to hear Geoff.
I'm only in 2 at the moment, and am struggling to find time for even one of those.

I hate it when reality gets in the way of modelingAngry [:(!]

Who ever made the rule you have to work 5 days a week should be flogged!!
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:24 PM
Geoff - understandable. I've had to lay off on or two of the GB's I was in... Time is a commodity sometimes...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, April 23, 2005 9:33 AM
Sorry to hear that Geoff. Hope all is OK.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 22, 2005 10:36 PM
i have to bow out of this one guys. sorry
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Posted by pingtang on Friday, April 22, 2005 8:55 PM
Tanky I used RLM 78 on my 109. From the photos of the aircraft I'm doing, it looks to be accurate. And since you,re doing pretty much the same aircraft as me, I think RLM 78 underside and fuselage sides, RLM 79 uppers (the yellow version, not brown) and RLM 80 spots. Looks right to me anyway.
-Daniel
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, April 22, 2005 8:44 PM
Tanky, The standard Luftwaffe desert scheme was RLM 79/80 over RLM 78. Any aircraft repainted in desert scheme would most likely use those colors. But like a lot of war time rules, there were many exceptions. Many of the aircraft were transferred from the European theater and would be in either RLM 71/02/65 or RLM 74/75/76 schemes. Most of these were repainted, but many retained at least a portion of their original paint. So you could have aircraft with RLM 65 or 76 alongside aircraft with RLM 78 undersides. Just to make things even more fun, paint shortages often led the Luftwaffe to borrow Italian paint, so some aircraft had top sides in Italian Sand Yellow rather than RLM 79 & undersurfaces in Italian light grey. If you have a reference for your 109, use it. If not, the RLM 79/80/78 is the safest bet.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Friday, April 22, 2005 8:25 PM
damn, now you've got me worried... what color do you suppose should go on a bf-109 with the desert scheme /green mottle with the blue on the undersides and bottom of the sides of the fuselage?
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 22, 2005 7:47 PM
ahhh thanks Rick! I guess I should have asked you in the first place... the RLM 65 Hellblau looks more like sky or duck egg green than blue... what a dissapointing evening...

on a side note I did decide to break out the dark earth and freehand camo my Typhoon for the Aussie build... it's not bad but I can't wait for my gravity fed to come in!!!
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, April 22, 2005 7:30 PM
Tom, if you are going to portray the Stuka as repainted in desert color scheme, use RLM 78, not 76.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 22, 2005 5:33 PM
Tanky - yeah... but if you have the splinter camo on top thats the right color for it. the lichtblau RLM 76 is more common in the desert schemes...

Disapprove [V] but I wanna model tonight... and not start a new one.. I am too close to the end of this one... maybe I can try to mix it...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Friday, April 22, 2005 5:29 PM
Tom, my bf-109 is supposed to be hellblau also. The color looks fine to me. A bit more blue than lichtblau. RLM 65, right?
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, April 22, 2005 5:24 PM
well if this don't beat all... I am all ready to paint the underside of my Ju87... the directions call for Hellblau... I thought that sounded strange but didn't think about it... I get ready to paint and look at the color and I knew it had to be wrong.. Hellblau is actually closer to the RAF sky... this is a N>A> stuka with a light blue bottom... oh well back to the hobby shop... I almost picked a bottle up today too... thought I might need it one day...

::sigh:: I think I might go on a Fi56 marathon and build it all in.... Banged Head [banghead]Banged Head [banghead]Banged Head [banghead] nevermind it has a lichtblau underside too...

the Martlet is too complex to start just yet... I guess tonight goes wasted for me...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 22, 2005 5:06 PM
OK I'm in. The Pz II is getting its base coat tonight.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 22, 2005 4:28 PM
According to achtungpanzer.com, the Stug IVs were not made until December 1943. "In December of 1943, Stug IV was introduced, it was essentially a slightly modified Stug III superstructure (such as extended driver's compartment) mounted on Panzer IV chassis. "

For those who still need a model, Dragon is soon coming out with a 3 in 1 Pz I, with one of the variants being an African one.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 22, 2005 3:50 PM
would dragon's late version STUG IV work? I'm not sure if they were in Africa or came about later..
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 22, 2005 3:15 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

good job Quintin! how long did it take you to do that? I've never done a head before...


I painted the base coat of MM Light Tan and left it for 48 hours before adding the rest. So, all in all, about four days.

Quintin
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