1/72 scale Bi-Plane / Tri-Plane Group Build

hi everyone

This flu has been wicked !

Dont visit Australia at the moment, unless of course you have a cure
It is a lingerer and reflares up.

I have not done any work to my peice, but on the contrary, managed to drop my Shagbat, and smash a wing or two off Oh well, all fixable with a little patience and glue

I have just purchased a bristol F2b fighter, Arvo 504k and Sopwith Pup, still waiting to get my Fokker DR I's though.

Bought a Gotha GO 242/244 Glider kit off of EBAY for the b/f's WWII German troops. Hmmmmm VERY COOL

Anyway, for now I am off, but will ba back soon to update build lists, and web links.

Hope you are all doing well

Kaz

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rafael Pelote Thanks, frosty! That came out as great idea for my next D.VII!! And also nice touch on the Portuguese! Obrigado! If you are interested in WW1 subjects, perhaps you allready know the "WW1 List"? If not, it is THE meeting point for ww1 modelers, (with some girls-modelers there, by the way...): http://www.wwi-models.org/

Rafael:
i have spent some time researching various a/c at that site,
it is really good 4 reference info & 4 pics, models & prototype !
glad i could help w/ build info !

progress update:
nothing major 2 report, will b doing some rigging on the
horizontal tailpane this w/e if all goes according 2 plan !

omigosh, where's Kaz been ?
hope she's OK....

frosty

QUOTE: Originally posted by Simon U First pics of the Gotha. What have I done?!!

omigosh, that's a lot of little pieces 2 put together !
& then u'll need a big shelf 2 put it on, too !
i look forward 2 the vicarious thrill of watching u build it here,
no way i can find room 4 one of those rite now !

frosty

That is a lovely plane, Simon! I have it on my stash, but I didn't build it yet, mainly because at this point I don't have a place to securelly place it.

There he is, on the top left, next to some coleagues...



From what I know from other who have done it, it is not an easy build, due to the amount of rigging, but it delivers a most exciting a/c.

Here you have a couple of examples, although on the G.III version:

http://www.wwi-models.org/app/sbj/srch/Macn.php?action=uModelList&subjId=131

Now, what you will need, to help you out, is the Windsock Special "Gotha!!!". a little on the expensive side, but worthwhile every penny, as reference material...

regards,

First pics of the Gotha. I'm not at home so don't want to open the cellophane and inspect the sprues just in case I lose anything but will show all in due course. Anybody (Rafael) built one of these?




What have I done?!!

OK I just succumbed to that common modelling sin: Trip to the LHS for a couple tins of paint and some superglue. What do I see but one of those "I've been wanting one for a while now kits"!! Good news is it becomes my entry into this GB. I hope I haven't bitten off more than I can chew and thank heaven for the long time still left in this GB.
My choice is Rodens 1:72 Gotha GV "Night Raider". Don't you just love it!!!BABY!!

Thanks, frosty! That came out as great idea for my next D.VII!! And also nice touch on the Portuguese! Obrigado!

If you are interested in WW1 subjects, perhaps you allready know the "WW1 List"? If not, it is THE meeting point for ww1 modelers, (with some girls-modelers there, by the way...):

http://www.wwi-models.org/

Regards,

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rafael Pelote thanks for the nice words, guys. And great D.VI, frosty! I really like the rib tapes. it really adds to the model... Best regards,

Rafael:
obreigado !
i'm very much liking ur work as well, my friend !
as 4 ur earlier question about the fit of the lower wing, here goes:
this roden kit has the lower wing as two individual sections, there r
two tiny bumps on each wing, & 2 small molded dimples on each side
of the fuselage... but they don't really line up, so i cut off the bumps w/
the trusty exacto, then drilled holes where the bumps were & glued short
lengths of styrene rod in there. then i lined up the wing pc w/ the fuselage &
marked the spots where the rods touched the fuse, drilled holes, & voila!
i used the same technique 2 attach the ailerons 2 the upper wing, except
i used metal wire so i could deflect them...
drilling out the ailerons was a bit more tricky, because there isn't a lot of
room 4 error... of a job, lol !
hth w/ ur build of the D.VI when u get 2 it !

frosty

thanks for the nice words, guys. And great D.VI, frosty! I really like the rib tapes. it really adds to the model.

Simon, from the list you mention above, I have the DH2 in 1/72 and it is a super kit, but not really an easy one due to the rigging. The 1/48 version should be a little more easy, but still... now, for the new Bristol F.2B, i must say it is one of the most beautifull kits i´ve seen. Too petty it is the "wrong scale"....;-). as for Roden, I must say I have all the catalogue in 1/72, with the exception of the new Camel, which I could'nt find yet on the stores here. I like them all, although the D.VII has some problems in adjusting the bottom wing properly. But, overall, they are really great kits and Roden should receive a medal from what they are doing towards WW1 modelling!!

and, by the way, your Camel is UAU!!

Best regards,

QUOTE: Originally posted by Ga.modler ... for frost girl you got some great talent thier you need to tell my nice that building models isnt a stupid thing to do....

OK...
4 Ga.modler's niece: frosty says "Building models isn't a stupid thing to do !"
In fact, just about every full size vehicle started out as a model... so....

thanx 4 the kind comments !

frosty

QUOTE: Originally posted by frostygirl Rafael & Simon : great work, bravo ! Simon, r u going 2 b building a 1/72 a/c also ? Frosty

Thanks for the nice comments. I am definitely going to be doing a 1:72 aircraft for this GB. I am just waiting for the local model show (Sept 10&11) where I hope to pick up a bargin or two! The DVI is progressing well and the rib tapes definitely highlight the blue of the fuselage. Nice to see that you haven't extended them onto the ailerons - just as it should be WELL DONE. You should have this finished soon. The blue is on the Camel cowl also so tonight it's off with the masking and if all goes well a coat of future in readiness for the decals. Will continue to post pics as progress is made. Have any of you guys or girls seen the new Eduard 1:48 DVII, DH2 and Bristol F.2B or Rodens DVII, SE5A and 1:72 Camel in the flesh? I have seen pics of the Eduard models and I think I want (NO NEED - this is an addiction) these models.

Rafael & Simon :
great work, bravo !
Simon, r u going 2 b building a 1/72 a/c also ?

progress pix:

roden dvi w/ spandau lmgs fitted 2 cowl, n struts fitted 2 upper wing

the reason i'm not done yet... i decided 2 add rib tapes...
i think it picks up the lite blue of the fuselage nicely, no ?

frosty

Looks great Simon U. I really like the mini cockpit, you must have really good eyes!

Hi all! Wow! You've been a busy bunch around here! Nice work on the DVi, frosty. Rafael, you modeling maniac! Two bi-planes in short order! Very excellent work on both builds. I really like the paint scheme on the Pfalz. SimonU, yours is coming along nicely. Very nice detail work.

hi ladie and gents those are some great looking builds you got going on. just giving you a update on my 2 planes my soptwith camel is all done and i am ready to start the other one in a few days after i finish my stuga for the stuga gb. for frost girl you got some great talent thier you need to tell my nice that building models isnt a stupid thing to do. if i ever find my software for my kodak camera i will post some pics

Kudos to Simon U, Rafael and frostygirl. Great looking builds, thanks for sharing the pics.

Cheers
Thom

As promised in progress shots of the Camel. The main part of the airframe is all but painted not that it can be seen behind all that masking. A coat of future this evening on the aluminium and then hopefully Tuesday night mask off and spray the cowling (blue). 4 types of masking medium used - Tamiya tape and blue tack, Eduard vinyl mask (kit supplied) and Humbrol maskol. Should be able to reveal all on Wednesday.






The interior is an old pic (obviously it is now enclosed in the fuselage) and I have added fuse wire spokes to the inspection holes in the wheels. More soon.
Rafael great work especially love the Pfalz - BEAUTIFUL.
Regards to all
Simon

Hello Kaz,

I need to change the model I am building from the Boeing F4B-4 to a Hasegawa Curtiss SOC-3 Seagull.


Cheers,
Thom

Rafael Pelote: Both planes look absolutely beautiful!

frostygirl : looks like your D 7 coming together very well!

Another productive Saturday afternoon... The Martinsyde F.4 Buzzard is hereby declared oficially finished. A very interesting and not so difficult project. Only a few minor problems with rigging (one of the strings jumping off...)

Here it is, anyway:







And, by the way, I just finished also Roden's 1/72 Pfalz D.IIIa - Carl Degelow scheme, which was waiting on my table. So, a productive day, with 2 more on the collection. Here are a couple of photos (after all, this was "on-topic"):





Regards,

Rafael

Nice work, Frosty! I love those lozenge schemes.

Which remainds me... I have a Halberstadt on the way to place the lozenge....

Please let us know about the wing alignment! I have that bird on my to-do pile, as well!!

here r some updated pix of the DVi :


the pit w/ scratchbuilt instrument panel details


the upper surface lozenge & nat'l. markings added


underside lozenge done

if all goes according 2 plan, i will b doing final assembly this weekend.

hope u enjoy the pix...
frosty

Rafael:
looking great !
SimonU:
i certainly don't mind, i love seeing pix of these birds !

frosty

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jabbe You guys ever start working on a model, only to realize halfway through that it's looking like.....crap?

All the time - LOL!

On a different note would people be interested or mind if I posted my Sopwith Camel build which is progressing quite nicely in this thread? I don't want to include it as part of this GB (started prior and 1/48 scale) but it is a related topic and I thought you might be interested in seeing it. If you would I will post progress pics either during this w/end or early next week. Nice to see the good work being done here by all.

You guys ever start working on a model, only to realize halfway through that it's looking like.....crap?

That's what happened to me. Upon completion of my most recent 2 models, the only one left on the bench was my little, innocent looking biplane. Perhaps I was getting a little overconfident with my skill level. The red went on last week, and came out really nice. I bought a bottle of blue, and thinned it down. But I thinned it down waaaay too much. Not only that, since the LHS was out of "blue"....I got "light blue". Nevermind the fact that it's a GLOSS, I mixed in some FLAT black to darken it up. Needless to say, the color was not something you'd want to paint your house. So, I decided I'd try it again, not mixed. So I mixed it again with some thinner and started painting. Well, apparently I didn't do a good job taping up the white areas, and so the paint ran under the tape. So now I'll have to clean that up. And the blue just came out kinda "ehh". I spent a good part of the afternoon sanding it all off. I'm goign to go back and get the right blue, mix it properly, and tape everything up better. Live and learn I suppose.

Very impressive job on the rigging Rafael! Your method works very well.

Highly impressive Rafael! You've done excellent with the rigging! You've given me a new standard to reach once I decide to build one of those rigged biplanes.

This was one productive WE...

The a/c is practicaly fully assembled and painted and rigged...

A few pics.
1. the pinting was done using a mixture of silver and matt grey to replicate Silver dope. The cowling was painted Alclad dark aluminium. The black lines in the wings where painted using a black marker, in order to simulate the wing structure. This will be covered in a latter stage with silver dope and will barelly be visible, however adding depth to the painting job. The red band is an identification unit band. I've added photoethed stiching, as can bee seen in the following:


2. In here, the top wing is allready in place. I've started by gluing the cabane struts which were aligned using dividers. It is not complicated. If this was a more complicated cabane, i would be using a template (a piece of evergreen plastic with holes such as the top wing). Also, I've glued the wires to the fuselage.


3. The flying wires are all in place. 've used the method described above and the image shows how i keep the plane secured and the wires streched wile the glue is curing.


Finally, this is the status, as of yesterday evening. Flying wires are all in place, lacking the control wires, which I will add after the decals. It is nearly ready.


Regards,