The 2006 Patrol Torpedo Boat group build

Garth,

I sent you a pm and an email ( just in case you didn't recieve the pm )...Thanks

If you intend to build a model that even hints at accuracy, you have a major challenge ahead with the Lindberg kit.  The basic shapes are wrong and the details are mostly spurious.  Depending on your scratch-building skills and bank account, you could produce any of the 80' boats with any given kit of an ELCO 80.   Take a look at the photos and drawings in Garth's "PT Boats in Action",  John Lambert and my "Allied Coastal Forces of WWII, vol. 2", or any of the other standard references (Chun, Johnson, Polmar, etc.) and you'll see what I mean.

As for any of the RN boats, the 80' hull does not even vaguely correspond with any of them.   

Al Ross

PTConsultingNHR wrote:

Personally People,   In my opinion, ACF, Volume II and Friedman's SMALL COMBATANTS are the best sources.   Garth

alross2 wrote:

Jon, If you intend to build a model that even hints at accuracy, you have a major challenge ahead with the Lindberg kit.  The basic shapes are wrong and the details are mostly spurious.  Depending on your scratch-building skills and bank account, you could produce any of the 80' boats with any given kit of an ELCO 80.   Take a look at the photos and drawings in Garth's "PT Boats in Action",  John Lambert and my "Allied Coastal Forces of WWII, vol. 2", or any of the other standard references (Chun, Johnson, Polmar, etc.) and you'll see what I mean. As for any of the RN boats, the 80' hull does not even vaguely correspond with any of them.    Al Ross

al, that's interesting to know... I almost bought the Lindberg a few months back

After much deliberation, consideration of various options, weighing numerous possibilities and outcomes, consultations with learned people and considerable thought on my part, I intend building a Vosper 73' Type 2.

This should be a relatively easy conversion of the Airfix Vosper involving a bit of scratchbuilding and it has a fairly neat colour scheme (and I found an article in Airfix Magazine from October 1978 by John Lambert on the topic)

I really wanted to be a bit more ambitious but the time I have for modelling is limited and consequently trying to scrachbuilding the Fairmile 'D' within the timescale would be too optimistic.  I also fancied building a British Power Boat Co. MGB by converting the Airfix RAF Rescue Launch...I've not ruled that one out yet. So time permitting there may be two from me (he said...famous last words and all that!)

Al Gunthwaite wrote:

After much deliberation, consideration of various options, weighing numerous possibilities and outcomes, consultations with learned people and considerable thought on my part, I intend building a Vosper 73' Type 2. This should be a relatively easy conversion of the Airfix Vosper involving a bit of scratchbuilding and it has a fairly neat colour scheme (and I found an article in Airfix Magazine from October 1978 by John Lambert on the topic) I really wanted to be a bit more ambitious but the time I have for modelling is limited and consequently trying to scrachbuilding the Fairmile 'D' within the timescale would be too optimistic.  I also fancied building a British Power Boat Co. MGB by converting the Airfix RAF Rescue Launch...I've not ruled that one out yet. So time permitting there may be two from me (he said...famous last words and all that!)

Thanks for Info & advice on the Lindberg PT109 guys!

Since I have no time, (d-i-v-o-r-c-e, the final countdown!, so far the EX gets 50%, Both houses, the Chrysler Voyager AND MY OMEGA! & her lawyer gets the other 50%) ***

or money, (see above), I might just have to let this go back on e-bay for the r/c buffs, (& sneak Italeri's ELCO on the credit card they don't know about!)

1/32 HDML looks like fun, anybody?

Library Book references part3:

Fast Fighting Boats 1870 - 1945, Design, Construction & Use by Harald Fock (no kidding!) ISBN# 0-245.58633.6
English translation of german book by Maritime Press (i think!)

I really, really want to build a late ELCO with 40mm bofors.... I had a pic of a PT boat in one of the D-day ref books I can't find!

I will be watching keenly,

Jon UK
(UK - A place, not just A State Of Mind!)
*** And it wasn't my fault, next time I want Custody of the Divorce Lawyer!

PTConsultingNHR wrote:

Someone -   Please send me an email to  PTConsultingNHR@aol.com and TConnell@stpaultravelers.com and tell me exactly whose doing what kit and all that, OK?   Thanks,   Garth

PT,
I'm having a blast reading through the one I've just got for US $0.00 from the library....  
along with Hunnicuts' Sherman....
(UKP £350.00 on amazon for THAT!)

Under english law, we are permitted to copy up to 10% of single book, PROVIDED: academic research, or personal, non-commercial use only.

Of course, I buy the books I really really need, when available.... & that leaves me some money to spend on Italeri's vapour-ware ELCO!

I estimate, based on previous experience with Italeri, that with the given Release Date of October here in the UK,
I don't expect to see it generally available till after christmas holidays...

Jon UK

PTConsultingNHR wrote:

Well,   None of my state libraries have these types of books, so I need to buy them.    Garth

Hey Garth,

    The front page of this post should cover all of the options that people are doing, and I will do my best to keep track of everything...if you need me to, I can email you a list later on this week of what everyone who has joined is building.  People are going to join in as time goes by, so it will be a running total.

           Thanks again,

                         greg ewald

Hello.

I want to clarify the rule #7.

cthulhu77 wrote:

7. ...  We encourage you to have a "build thread" for your model (s) in the ship section, (don't post them here)  and hope to see a lot of work-in-progress pics.  ...

What is a best a way to use the threads? As I undrestand, the progress pictures & comments are posted under a "build thread", while research & building techniques questions can be posted here (to simplify discussion, if several participants build the same kit).

Is it correct?

Hippy-Ed wrote:

Man, I had to run outta town for a bit this afternoon & my hands actually thanked me I didn't realise there was this much sanding involved with  using the WEM PE sets!!

Sorry, I did not answer your question about the torpedo tubes, just because we must be careful, and I am still busy with the deck.  The WEM PE set looks pretty good, but they might have added a 1/72 scale plan of the deck.  Also, do not forget CA glue and accelerator, to add some depth to the PE parts.

michel.vrtg wrote:

Hippy-Ed wrote: Man, I had to run outta town for a bit this afternoon & my hands actually thanked me I didn't realise there was this much sanding involved with  using the WEM PE sets!!   Sorry, I did not answer your question about the torpedo tubes, just because we must be careful, and I am still busy with the deck.  The WEM PE set looks pretty good, but they might have added a 1/72 scale plan of the deck.  Also, do not forget CA glue and accelerator, to add some depth to the PE parts.

Mavrik wrote:

Hello. I want to clarify the rule #7.  cthulhu77 wrote:    7. ...  We encourage you to have a "build thread" for your model (s) in the ship section, (don't post them here)  and hope to see a lot of work-in-progress pics.  ... What is a best a way to use the threads? As I undrestand, the progress pictures & comments are posted under a "build thread", while research & building techniques questions can be posted here (to simplify discussion, if several participants build the same kit). Is it correct?

Thought I'd jump in and share some pics of projects I'm working on. All are 1/35th scale. As you can see, the Higgins PT is quite near done. The Elco is still in assembly stage, as is the BK1125. The Higgins and the BK1125 are scratch-built. The Elco is an old Viking USA resin kit that used to be available before Viking went belly-up.

If they don't show up, they're also in my gallery in Armorama.com under member DaveF, some also in Warships Discussion PT Boat

Hippy-Ed wrote:

Mavrik wrote: Hello. I want to clarify the rule #7.  cthulhu77 wrote:    7. ...  We encourage you to have a "build thread" for your model (s) in the ship section, (don't post them here)  and hope to see a lot of work-in-progress pics.  ... What is a best a way to use the threads? As I undrestand, the progress pictures & comments are posted under a "build thread", while research & building techniques questions can be posted here (to simplify discussion, if several participants build the same kit). Is it correct?   it is to my understanding as well but, what's the gouge on this Greg

   Exactly!  Questions here, or under the various departments in "ships"...each build should have it's own thread in "ships".  It's a good idea to post pics often, as the critics can chime in with advice prior to making a severe mistake...

cthulhu77 wrote:

Hippy-Ed wrote:  Mavrik wrote: Hello. I want to clarify the rule #7.  cthulhu77 wrote:    7. ...  We encourage you to have a "build thread" for your model (s) in the ship section, (don't post them here)  and hope to see a lot of work-in-progress pics.  ... What is a best a way to use the threads? As I undrestand, the progress pictures & comments are posted under a "build thread", while research & building techniques questions can be posted here (to simplify discussion, if several participants build the same kit). Is it correct?   it is to my understanding as well but, what's the gouge on this Greg      Exactly!  Questions here, or under the various departments in "ships"...each build should have it's own thread in "ships".  It's a good idea to post pics often, as the critics can chime in with advice prior to making a severe mistake...

Deck sanded (though, not finished yet) :

http://www.hmsvictoryscalemodels.be/PT117/photos/photo15.html

Compare to the deck before sanding :

http://www.hmsvictoryscalemodels.be/PT117/photos/photo3.html

Michel

I just re-discovered this on my favorites, these might provide some inspiration!

From the Great Little Ships, RN Costal Forces Range, with credit given for John Lambert's assistance...
(I have not dealt with these people, so am not giving any personal recommendation, nor am I getting Commision!)

http://www.djparkins.clara.net/gls/glsmast.htm

& an interesting modellers' site, by Joseph Neumeyer

covers:  PT157, very atmospheric, in 1/32.
A Duel at sea with a Flower Class & S100 Boot, 1/72
& an S100 Boot in 1/32
When a guy this good sets a bench mark, the onlything left to do is nick the Bench!