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The 2006 Patrol Torpedo Boat group build

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:06 PM
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Posted by Al Gunthwaite on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:41 PM

Some Royal Navy gear is at:

http://www.djparkins.clara.net/gls/glsmast.htm

 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:57 PM
Thanks for the link. I'll be checking out thoroughly  in a bit.
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Posted by cthulhu77 on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:29 PM

Wish they sold that stuff on this side of the pond...it sounds like the wait is tremendous!  Ed, why don't you open up your own PT boat store????  All of that stuff for the Flowers is intriguing...I have two review kits still in stash, and the temptation to order some things is almost overwhelming.  Has anyone bought from them before?

                  Greg

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:40 PM
Greg, I have thought of  opening up a shop of my own but, I know nothing of operating a business. I've been looking at them Corvette detail sets and I wonder what I could use for my PT BoatMischief [:-,] But, that's the problem. most of the detail sets are for the bigger ships.Sad [:(]
I have to ask, If a 1/72 Mine Sweeper/ Destroyer/ Corvette has similar items on them as a 1/72 PT Boat would they work on the PT?

I wont bother with HR Products. I do not like their "Cusstomer Service". Enuff said.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:40 PM
So how is everyone progressing on thier projects? I don't want to clog this thread up too much but I was just curious.

I a bit embarrased must admit, that I really haven't gotten much done. I've looked at some various materials ( reference ) and I've washed my parts, but that's really about it. Seems like when I think I have 10 minutes to get something done something comes up...

I'm really thinking about pushing the 109 to the back burner and switching to the VOSPER kit...of course that won't give me any more time to get anything done...

Hopefully after the new AB get's here and a few other things, life will settle down around here so I can get something done on this...

Does everyone have their own thread over in the ships section and that's why I'm missing the progress reports?
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:54 PM
 H2O_MARK wrote:
So how is everyone progressing on thier projects? I don't want to clog this thread up too much but I was just curious.

I a bit embarrased must admit, that I really haven't gotten much done. I've looked at some various materials ( reference ) and I've washed my parts, but that's really about it. Seems like when I think I have 10 minutes to get something done something comes up...

I'm really thinking about pushing the 109 to the back burner and switching to the VOSPER kit...of course that won't give me any more time to get anything done...

Hopefully after the new AB get's here and a few other things, life will settle down around here so I can get something done on this...

Does everyone have their own thread over in the ships section and that's why I'm missing the progress reports?


Don't feel bad, I seem to be in the same boatBanged Head [banghead] Seems that every time I sit down & pick up the model Somebody needs my attention. Whether it be my disabled g.f. (whom has a knack fer catching me at the wrong time) or my father whom is getting his new house set up so he can move outta town! (Hurry yer butt up pops!!) I had to go fix his G-5 Computer 3 times today.

There seems to be only 4 of us with our own threads so far... C'mon people, who's doing what???

Oh and Greg, DJ Parkins is pretty good from what I've been hearing
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Posted by cthulhu77 on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:51 PM

  Check the first page of this thread for the various links to different builds...I try to keep tabs on everyone! (just call me jeedubbya)  Mine is progressing slowly...most of the 109's sound like they have been sanded, and there is a Vosper that is well along the way.

                greg

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Posted by Al Gunthwaite on Thursday, June 1, 2006 2:19 AM

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
...DJ Parkins is pretty good from what I've been hearing

I've had two orders from them. The service has been very good. I've not actually built anything I have bought from them yet nor checked the accuracy but the quality is impresive. I've been trying to press them as to when the furture releases will be available - I've just had a dead bat reponse.

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Posted by Mavrik on Thursday, June 1, 2006 3:48 AM

 Hippy-Ed wrote:

There seems to be only 4 of us with our own threads so far... C'mon people, who's doing what???

I am still meditating over the torpedo tubes for Vosper MTB from Revell. I hope, I will be able to show some progress on them on Monday.

By the way, does anybody know where to find any information on these tubes? They look similar to ones used on Higgins boats, but the mount is diffirent and the gas-cylinder looks larger.

I have the following information:

  1. Vospers In action: photos of the torpedo tubes on page 19, a photo of MTB with these specific tubes on the last page.
  2. A photo of the builders model in the Mr. Chun's book.
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Thursday, June 1, 2006 4:23 AM
 Mavrik wrote:

 Hippy-Ed wrote:

There seems to be only 4 of us with our own threads so far... C'mon people, who's doing what???

I am still meditating over the torpedo tubes for Vosper MTB from Revell. I hope, I will be able to show some progress on them on Monday.

By the way, does anybody know where to find any information on these tubes? They look similar to ones used on Higgins boats, but the mount is diffirent and the gas-cylinder looks larger.

I have the following information:

  1. Vospers In action: photos of the torpedo tubes on page 19, a photo of MTB with these specific tubes on the last page.
  2. A photo of the builders model in the Mr. Chun's book.


I'll see what my books have to show Think ACF Vol.2 has some shots & info on the  Vosper. Have you tried Garth's site?
http://www.ptboatworld.com/models.htm
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Posted by Mavrik on Thursday, June 1, 2006 9:57 AM

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
I'll see what my books have to show Think ACF Vol.2 has some shots & info on the  Vosper. Have you tried Garth's site?
http://www.ptboatworld.com/models.htm

Yes. I have visited PTBoatWorld and found no photos/drawings of this torpedo tybe type.

Ed, I will wait for results. I do not have ACF book unfortunately. Sad [:(]

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Thursday, June 1, 2006 10:23 AM
Mavrik,
 
Those tubes were utilized on the early Higgins PTs, the Vosper MTBs built in the US for the Soviets as well on the later 80 foot Elco boats that were built for the Soviets.  They used compressed air instead of a flash charge ...
 
What is it you need to know?
 
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 1, 2006 10:35 AM

Well I am going to be one with my masking tape, or before I am done my wife's going to use it to mummify me and give me a sea burial! I figured out what paint scheme I'm going to do, it's gonna be pretty wild but I don't quite know how to pull it off yet...

I'm  a glutton for punishment, what can I say. But when I saw the picture in one of the Squadron books PTB's in Action a big light bulb went off in my head, then it quickly blew out.Dunce [D)]

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Thursday, June 1, 2006 10:58 AM
Gawd, not the Adaptor scheme............................................
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Posted by alross2 on Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:20 AM
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Go to www.coastalforcesplans.com and click on "W Series" in the sidebar. The drawing heading the Weapons page is the MK19 torpedo tube.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:41 AM

 PTConsultingNHR wrote:
Gawd, not the Adaptor scheme............................................

Is that what it's actually called? LOL

What I found amazing was the armament variations, boats outfitted with just about anything the crews could throw on it...Granted it was during wartime, but did these modifications get approval from elsewhere or did the crews just do it? Like cannibalizing crashed P-39's for cannons...

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Thursday, June 1, 2006 12:31 PM
the war in the south pacific was pretty much "catch as one can"...and the crews cannibalized all sorts of weird projectile weapons from burned out tanks and planes, or stole them from army bases, then fitted them onto their boats with tack welds and cut iron stands.  One of my favourites are the mortars that were fitted onto some PT's...that must have been something to see!
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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Thursday, June 1, 2006 1:13 PM
Yeah, the crews pretty much free reign to arm their boats - but the Ron C.O. had input too ... Admiral Harlee once told me that he didn't allow the 191 to get her 40mm until much later than the rest of Ron 12 because he didn't want to take her off the line to have the gun put on. 
 
To illustrate how resourceful the crews were in scrounging weaponry, the crew of the 190 had - early on - a 37mm from a P-39 mounted on a Mk.10 or a Mk.14 mount where the original 20mm was placed (the same place where the 40mm went).
 
That bit of data came from Alex Johnson who got it from a crewman of the 190.
 
Guys, you should see two of my models being worked on now, one of which Alex is doing ... both of them are heavily armed boats.
 
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Thursday, June 1, 2006 5:42 PM
 Mavrik wrote:

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
I'll see what my books have to show Think ACF Vol.2 has some shots & info on the  Vosper. Have you tried Garth's site?
http://www.ptboatworld.com/models.htm

Yes. I have visited PTBoatWorld and found no photos/drawings of this torpedo tybe type.

Ed, I will wait for results. I do not have ACF book unfortunately. Sad [:(]



I've skimmed thru ACF v.2 and did not see anything right off. I just got in from work & it's been a long day.  I see Al Ross made mention of a site & you may find what you're looking for there.Big Smile [:D] Let me know.
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Friday, June 2, 2006 8:09 AM
 PTConsultingNHR wrote:
Gawd, not the Adaptor scheme............................................


LoL... Good one!! Garth, yer just gonna go crazy over that aren't yaWink [;)]Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Friday, June 2, 2006 8:16 AM
Indeed .................................
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Posted by Mavrik on Friday, June 2, 2006 8:25 AM

 alross2 wrote:
Go to www.coastalforcesplans.com and click on "W Series" in the sidebar. The drawing heading the Weapons page is the MK19 torpedo tube. Al Ross

Actually, I saw this drawing, forgot to mention this. But if you look at photo on page 19 of Vospers In Action, there are more "devices" on the upper side of the tubes (additionally, for me it seems like these tubes have larger gas-cylinders than MK19 torpedo tubes).

Are any additional photos available? It would be great to find photos made not from the front, but from the side of tubes.

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Friday, June 2, 2006 8:32 AM
The only pic I've seen showing those loong tubes on top of the torp tubes is the one in the Chun's book of the completed model. I've been looking thru my references & that's all I could find.

**Edit**
Just did a goole Image search: Found this. HTH,  Eddie
http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/artikel.php?id=939
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, June 5, 2006 8:09 AM
 cthulhu77 wrote:

Must have missed that post...did a search with zero results, except a bit about Jeff Herne scratchbuilding some.  I wish WEM made more stuff for PT boats, the other company in Wales is nice, but the delivery time would be an issue...anyone out there have more information?

          greg



Greg, while going thru my old posts I found my answer. Garth had mentioned HR Productions has D/C Ash cans. See the thread on 1/72 toe railsBig Smile [:D]  Now HR Prod has been mentiond a few times in various threads. including mine. From what I've been hearing, their stuff is old & require alot of clean upSad [:(]
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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Monday, June 5, 2006 2:27 PM
Greg,
 
Yeah, HR's D/Cs are relatively good, despite their apparent age.  I've got them on one of the Revell PT kits that was built for me (in 1997) which is currently being rebuilt.  I'm quite sure that - thanks to modern technology could render better ones in resin.  But, they are "the only game in town" ..............
 
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Posted by Tachikaze on Monday, June 5, 2006 9:52 PM
Tachikaze: Revell S-100 Schnellboote.

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, June 5, 2006 9:55 PM
 Tachikaze wrote:
Tachikaze: Revell S-100 Schnellboote.


How's the build coming along?
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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 10:13 AM
Al,
 
What MTB would you like to do, sir?
 
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Posted by Al Gunthwaite on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 12:25 PM

Hi Garth

On the basis that your question is directed to me...

I have the hull of the Airfix BPB HSL assembled. I intend taking all the detailing off the deck and then building it probably as MASB37.

But then again...I have the deck of the Airfix Vosper sat in front on me, again with the intention of clearing all the detail off and building it as a Vosper Type 2. I have a bundle of goodies from Great Little Ships to fit it out, drawings of the QF 6pdr are all scaled to 1/72 ready to start scratchbuilding and I'm awaiting a parcel from John Lambert of plans with details of the Type 2.

As soon as I've made sensible progress and have something to show (on either) I shall start a thread.

I have to say I became a bit excited about the discussion in the Coastal Forces thread about RN Elco's and having spend a fair bit of time looking through ACF Vol 2, I set about seeing how easy it would be to convert the BPB HSL to a 70' Elco. Having scaled the plans of the Elco to 1/72, whilst the BPB and Elco appear very similar, the Elco is a much bigger boat in length and beam.  It would be easier to scratchbuild a hull for the Elco than convert the hull of the BPB.

Cheers

Al

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