Moto GP / GP bike enthusiasts

Hey Shane nice to see you back.

Has anyone bought and built one of these super detail chainsets?

http://www.hiroboy.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2360

They look superb but I am sure have been done by real experts in the pics, might prove a little frustrating in the wrong hands (such as mine where I have 10 thumbs for fingers!) and at $40 is a hell of a price to pay for a detail that most people probably would not notice.

Well blow mee  down  have finally remebered my password ,and solved SOME oof my commputer problems .

Not been around for a weeeeeeeeeee while with a combination of work ,com and not having anywhere to build

But have still been following you guys and the builds,there has been some pretty dandy handi work.

While of line I have stocked up on some kits - one that took some wheelin and dealin is a Protar

1/9 500 BMW sidecar a very old model , and another protar 1/9 yamaha YZR500 1988 metal kit with the baccy decals cool.

Hopefully I can find some time to make a portable workbench so that I can continue.

 

PS Joel congrats on your new addition to the family

Bushpig wrote:

the kawa seems to have takken a back seat!.

Well, there isn't much work left on it actually, so I might pull it out again soon.

Joel

Thanks. Fishing line is great. Available in many dimensions, just cut off the part pin, drill a hole and fix it with super glue. Back side is that the larger dimensions (e.g .4-.6 mm) don't bend to well att the fixing point.

Regarding cf on the hoses I saw a ref pic of a 99 yzr with a lot more structure than the ones I've seen before, the Hi Def fibre was perfect for the purpose.

/J

Joel,

 that's so cool! I really like the CF for the hoses....it looks amazing!

 

Me, I just started to convert my closet into my work area....59"x24" desk top, more than plenty to build bikes. I left the standard shelf in it so I can have my stock pile, reference books and stuff. A 180 degree turn and I'm on line and have a massive 8ftx3ft desk I built too....next, the paint booth by the window and my "shop" will be ready!

The compressor option got better, the Iwata is a great choice but I found the airbrush-depot TC20T (comp&tank) for $149.99. I read the comments here and they are good and read the Fine Scale Mag review of the Polar Bear set, which is exactly the same as the TC20T, and the comments are excellent.

I think I have a photobucket account so soon I'll upload stuff.

 

racer155

Looking good Joel, I tend to agree with you that the wire needs to be a bit finer. I love the idea with the fishing line, now why have I never thought of that! I assume you fix it in place with superglue? This is why I love this build, always something to learn.

Hi guys.

Started to wire the frame and different electronical boxes with fishing line in different diameters. They will be painted in appropriate colors.

For the cooling hoses I tried to put some High def CF on the hoses to give them a bit more texture. Think it turned out very well. I did some simple clamps by glueing a wire in a hole on the back and wrap it twice around the piece. Looks ok at least, perhaps a bit thick. I'll try a different diameter on the others.

/Joel

Sano: No sweat, my friend. Glad to be at service.

Bushpig; Thanks for coming back, I know that the site has been slow for the last year but I'll do better. The exhausts will definately be weathered further. Most likely with the Tamiya weathering box.

I did the brake discs with the recommended paints but sprayed a bit further away than ususal giving a slight more texture.

/Joel

thanks a million joel! thoose kanemoto engine & repsol rear muffler pics really gave me the picture on how they supposed to looked like

appreciate ur time and effort to update thoose pics (and u even put my name so i won't missed it! that's sweet )

about the race in assen, stoner seems to be back on track. the other teams better be really careful now too bad for kawasaki & suzuki who both loses their 1st rider though i wonder who would race in hokins place in sachsenring...

Joel. I had a look around your site again after a while, you are making nice progress on the YZR builds (the kawa seems to have takken a back seat!). I like your exhaust method, will have to give it a try myself at some stage. Will you add some heat staining or leave them as they are now? Maybe just a bit of x19 smoke to weather them off a bit.

I like the brake discs, what paint did you use. You have replicated the speckled carbon look very well. I always feel the X10 tamiya recommends looks a bit glossy and artificial.

Hmm, thought I had tons of pics of the 99 nsr, must check my back ups. Uploaded those I found on the harddrive for you Sano. At least there where some.

Joel

Sano thanks, the pics are great (already printed out and stuck on the cupboard above my work bench!). I am not one of those "rivet counters" who has to have every bolt and nut detail correct for a particular year, as long as the bikes looks sort of right but more importantly as long as I am happy all is good. I hope I can do justice to the full bike pic you posted as this will be the one I am doing, but will do the Camel branding.

Racer good on you Bro, making the decision is half the battle won. Now, once the bits arrive I would suggest a lot of practice before you attempt your first kit to avoid frustration creeping in. It takes a while to get used to pressure settings, dilution of paint to thinners, spraying distance from the model, spray volume etc etc Any advice you need just shout. I played around for ages when I got my first one just to get the basics right. There are some good general resources on the subject on the net as well. I assume you will have some sort of extraction device or well ventilated room, when you spray and especially when spraying thinners etc through the brush to clean it you generate a lot of toxic fumes. Somewhere in this build I have shared my home made extraction fan which works well for me.

 Must run to watch Holland Moto GP, always takes me by surprise by being on a Saturday!

This forum is a gold mine of resources and knowledge. well said racer155...!

that happened to me also when i bought my first motoGP bike kit also thanks to the research i've done here, i chat with the shopkeeper like an expert in building a bike, while both of us forget that i'm buying my first bike kit there God bless all of u guys here

@joel: loads of thanks! i'll visit ur site frequently to check it out

So after hours of research, comparisson, reading entire treads on the topic, etc....I think the best option for my needs and budget is the Iwata Revolution CR and the Iwata Studio Sprint Jet compressor.

This forum is a gold mine of resources and knowledge! I found so much info on the airbrush topic it's ridiculous! I'm almost an expert in the matter and I don't even have an airbrush...I even held a conversation with an airbrush expert/salesman and I was fine.... God bless the internet!

Anyway, while I wait for the goodies to arrive I need to finish my work area....

I'll keep you posted,

 

Thanks a million!

 

racer155

 

 

Sano, I'll update my site with a few more pics of the 99 version.

Heads up regarding the engine pics. Although both pics above seem to be from the 2006 bike, the site where you downloaded those images show the engine development from 2002 to 2006.

/Joel

@bushpig: i don't know if this could help any further, but here u go

edit: (tq joel for reminding me!) according to the site where i got them, these 2 pics supposed to came from 2 different year. but i think they're a good help as a ref.pics (for the 06.ver)

engines:





i'm sure u had plenty of this, but can't resist to post it, she's too beautiful whole bike:



and while i'm here, does anyone had ref.pics of the 99' NSR500? any pics would help, considering i won't do any superdetail work or anything -just to give me a picture of what am i doing here... most of my ref pics are someone else's kits (joel has done a lot of NSR500 and u're site has been a major help so far, thanks man )

Bushpig wrote:

Joel, if you mean the hose clamps as in the one on the pipe leading from the radiator in one of Sano's pics.

No, I mean simple plastic stripes that join wires and electronical lines together in bundles. Something that let you gather up wires from different boxes so they run together to whereever they are going.

/Joel

Progress...? WHAT progress?! This is the most frustrating time I've had ever since I started building again. I go weeks on end doing absolutely bugger-all on any model. 3 on the workbench: this Kawasaki, 43rd Sam Hornish Panther racing indycar (70% done) and a MFH Aston DBR9. So the other being multimedia kits, this is allways the easiest one to resort to when picking up something. And yet still I am building in such spurts that I am sure this is the longest I've taken to build a bike yet - and that without doing any frills. I am in fact scared that the lack of "flow" in building will cause me stuff it up and/or get hurried as the end nears.

But in short - I am now working on the front-end - the handles, front forks, etc. And have been since the start of the month, at least!

Seabee, I thought about my references once I had posted but what the hell, let them come interogate me!

Racer I was also somewhat stumped when it came to posting pics. In a nutshell you need to open an online storage such as photobucket.com. You load your full resolution pics there, then copy the .IMG link and paste it into your post. Quite simple once you get the hang of it.

Airbrush, again interesting that you guys are all recommending dual action. I started with dual action and as I said moved to the single action ages ago. I found both just as easy so racer go with what feels comfortable to you.

Sano those are great pictures you have, especially as I have just started a 2006 M1, do you have any more? I already see a few mistakes in the Tamiya paint colour references vs what I can see in your pics. These would also be great for the Top studio set I have bought for the 2004 and 2005 versions which I will tackle one day.

Joel, if you mean the hose clamps as in the one on the pipe leading from the radiator in one of Sano's pics. I have played around with a method Andrew gave us earlier in this build. Thin silver wire, wrapped twice round the piece, twist to tie up, add a spot of superglue then trim off the ends. They come out quite nice though I have not yet mastered the whole process.

So you guys how about showing some of your progress, I feel a little alone in the building at the moment! 

Sano; They are from the 2006 Camel bike. Connector boxes are quite different from the earlier generation yzr but they do tell something about what goes where. Thanks.

Joel

While I'm at it, anyone got any tips regarding the making of wire clips? I've seen some amazing stuff in some builds but I'm not after anything too fancy, like p/e or so. Just to make bundles out of different sizes of fishing line. So far I've gone with masking tape and small pieces of rubber hose from the Tamiya kits. The latter is quite good but any other ideas are much welcome.

/Joel

@joel: these pics come from -i forgot, 2004/2005? yellow yzr.. but who knows, it might help a bit 

Racer: It's your choice but I'd definately go for a double action. Not very hard to handle actually.

To the entire group I'm reaching out for side shot reference pics of the yzr, I'm at the stage of wiring the engine up and I have got too bad images to see where those wires are heading. So if you have anything to share you are much welcome to post them here or mail them to joel AT onetwelvth.com. Any pics from say 98 to 2001 are most appreciated.

/Joel

Hey Bush, they'll set the violence police on you! Talking about an AK and a spies in one post - tsk-tsk... I must admit, I saw the guy's name and it just jumped out so much - there must be SA or Dutch parentage in there somewhere!

Racer - do not be overawed by the prospect of a double action. You can achieve so much more and getting used to an a/b - you may as well just jump to the double-action immediately. I had one of those basic Badgers bottom feeders (is it a 250?) to start of with and got a Badger 150 after I broke (own stupidity!) one sealing rubber the original. It's both bottom and gravity fed and doible-action. Thought the double action would be weird, but it is very natural. And you can accomplish so much more with it, since you can dictate the flow of the paint. Don't know if you guys would agree or disagree...(?) But as has been said, airbrushing is a vast topic. I use Badger because it's readily available here, but would have liked to have tried out the Iwata's, having heard great things about them (esp as Joel said the cleaning, which is allways critical in any airbrush!)

joel, bushpig....

again, thanks for the input....I've been reading a lot on line and it is a jungle out there! but I think I'm over thinking it. I just need to do it. I like the Badger 100G or 100LG....

Would you agree that a single action is a better choice for me....a first time airbrush buyer?

Speaking of the race....Rossi is my guy but this year I really want Toseland to do great. That guy has some serious talent and clearly the spirit of racing. Then we have Spies....I think he'll do good too but Suzuki needs to step it up a little.

How can I post some of my pics? what resolution?.....my camera has a setting (the lowest res.) that is called "e-mail" res or something like that.

I'd like to contribute to this amazing thread...it's given me so much, it's time to show you how much I've learnt.

Thanks.

Racer. Spies did well for his first outing, definitly someone to watch. Poor old Toesland, dropping it on the first corner of your home GP is not good! stoner is looking ominous again!

Airbrushes, as Joel says this is a huge topic. I have used a Badger 200 for the last 20 years (the same one!) and never had a days trouble (it's a bit like the AK47 of the airbrush world!). It just takes a good clean after every use and after a few months a strip down and detailed clean up (very simple). I like the 200 because you set the paint flow with a screw at the back and so dont have to worry about controlling that parameter (as in a dual action). I have a medium tip and needle for general spraying just about everything I do. And then have a fine tip and needle for very detailed work (eg the heat staining on the exhausts). I would say though you could easily get away with the medium on 1/12 bikes and planes. Very important is your air supply, a compressor is best. I have had a quick look on the net and you can pick up a badger 200 with compressor set for $200

 Joel / Seabee thanks for the comments and encouragement. The exhausts are in place where they should be so there is not much I can do about them sticking out Joel, they look OK in real life so do not worry me. I have decided to go ahead with a Rossi 2006 M1 in the camel livery (with detail from the Studio 27 photo etch set), very early days so far so just a lot of prep work going on at the moment.

This is a jungle...BUT here is my experiences

All I ever used are gravity fed airbrushes and I don't want to switch. I have one Rich .2 mm nozzle and one Iwata .4 mm. I feel the Rich one is better for almost all my 1/12 purposes and that the .4 mm Iwata is crap when detail painting, the strokes are just too wide.

The Iwata is easier to clean and spare parts are more avaliable.

If I were you I'd go and check out e-bay. Find a seller with 1000+ positive feedbacks and you can feel safe and probably get a better deal than buying from your LHS.

Joel

Bushpig, joel, seabee...

 thanks for the info on the windscreens, now that we talked about windscreens and future I think it makes sense to leave them alone, after all, the real ones are plastic, not glass.

Before I go on....the bikes you guys are posting are AMAZING!!!!!!!!! keep it up!

So, hopefully I'll have enough cash left from my next paycheck and I want that airbrush...I know I've asked before but I'll ask again: what airbrushes are you guys using?

I just went to Iwata's and Badger's websites and I have a headache. I noticed Badger has a model # and then they say "available in fine or medium".....aarrrggghhhhhh.....I think they are talking about the tips ....

So what should I get? all I build is 1 1/2 bikes and the rare airplane here and there..

I wanted the baddger 155-7 but now I read that bottom fed ABs and wonder if a bottle is too big for what I do....

The I looked at the Iwatas but their ABs below $200.00, according to their own charts, are only a "good" match for model, diorama or figurine building

I'm as always....overwhelmed!

I really don't want to spend more than $150.00 on the AB....what do you recommend and what do you use?

Thanks in advance!

 

PS: I can't wait to watch the race tomorrow....Go Spies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bushpig, very very nice build! Personally never liked that particular scheme, but that's got nothing to do with the fact that you did well! And I'm glad you got back to it and showed the determination to get it done. And like Joel said, a very good bit of innovation with the bottom cowl stand.

Congrats on doing a great job from something you wanted to trash a while ago! Just having gotten back to it is a achievement in it's own right!

This is such a gorgeous bike and I'm very glad you came to finish the kit. Your work on it is magnificent, and the fitting issues is hard to come by. The under cowl stand is a nice feature and works fine together with the rest. As I've commented earlier the decal job is super and so is the exhaust staining. Maybe it looks as the upper mufflers are slightly too much out from the cowl but it is hard to judge from the pics. Great job Bushpig and I'm happy to hear that you will get back to the resin kits, there are a lot of nice bikes in that segment,

Joel