Fleet Air Arm Group Build

Summit wrote:

Darren - The F-8 is Outstanding in every Detail ! ~Fromthe IP panel to the very last of what seems to be a hundred Stencils.  I really do hope you Submit this in for the Readers Gallery when finished.

TANGO 1 wrote:

"NOW HEAR THIS...........NOW HERE THIS!"   "THE CAG WILL BE INCOMING FOR AFT RECOVERY..............X/O TO THE RUM LOCKER! X/O TO THE RUM LOCKER!" "THAT IS ALL."

Ummm, I realize I'm splitting hairs here but why would you specify an aft recovery for a fixed wing aircraft when that is the only way for it to come aboard?

Sean,

Tell me which decal # you need and I'll send you one.  I plan on doing mine as a yellow wing bird.

EDIT:  Just looked at the pics of Sean's bird and my kit decals won't work.

Thanks for the kind words about my Crusader lads! Much appreciated.

Buddy, you are right, but on the Royal Navy carriers aircraft movements for launch and recovery are always announced by their operation and location. I guess its a British thing.........

 Great stuff there as Usual CAG!  I like the gunfighters.  You got a lot of great progress done! Should be rightly proud I'd say!

Bondo I have much the same issue? FAA or RAF? get them mixed up too easy. If I build an RAF thing that looks Royal Navy do you think he would let me slide?

Frank ! Help me out here! Nam I bet your a busy moving bee! I surely hope all goes smoothly for you and things settle down quickly!

 Spike a model? What the heck?

 I gotta catch up so sorry if I missed anyone. As always that would be Dave's fault!

sfcmac wrote:

Frank ! Help me out here!

With what?  Sorry, you lost me.  Just woke up, Suzanne kept me up half the night doing body shots.

Daywalker wrote:

sfcmac wrote: Frank ! Help me out here! With what?  Sorry, you lost me.  Just woke up, Suzanne kept me up half the night doing body shots.

 Did I thank yo for all your work and help? I been working too much again! Jeeze hope so.

I need to see if what I can get away with for the FAA? I've got it narrowed down to something English?

Aaron,

Fleet Air Arm counts as any aircraft wearing the markings of the Royal Navy, this is a list of pretty much every type they have used, I hope you find something you like!

Avro 652
Fairey Albacore
Avro Anson I, XII
Supermarine Attacker F1, FB1, FB2
Hawker Audax
Taylorcraft Auster
Grumman Avenger I, II, III, AS4, AS5, ECM6

Boulton Paul Balliol T2
Martin Baltimore
Fairey Barracuda II, III, V
Fairey Battle
Bristol Beaufighter X
Bristol Beaufort
Brewster Bermuda (5 for evaluation only)
Bristol Blenheim
Douglas Boston
Blackburn Buccaneer S1, S2
Brewster Buffalo I
Boulton Paul Sea Balliol T21

English Electric Canberra U14, TT18, T22,
Vought-Sikorsky Chesapeake I
De Havilland Chipmunk T10
Curtiss Cleveland I
Chance-Vought Corsair I, II, III and IV
Consolidated PBY Catalina


Douglas Dakota
Douglas Dauntless
Boulton Paul Defiant
De Havilland Devon C2
De Havilland DH86
De Havilland Dominie
Westland Dragonfly HR1, HR3, HR5

Airspeed Envoy
Beech Expeditor I and II
Fairey III F
Miles Falcon Six
Blackburn Firebrand F1, TFIII, TF4, TF5
Fairey Firefly I, F1, FR1, T1, NF1, NF2, T3, FRIV, FR5, AS5, NF5, TT5, FR6, AS6, AS7, T7, U8, U9
De Havilland Flamingo
Airspeed Fleet Shadower
De Havilland Fox Moth
Fairey Fulmar I, II

General Aircraft GAL.38
Fairey Gannet AS1, T2, AEW3, AS4, COD4, T5 & ECM6
Westland Gazelle
De Havilland Gipsy Moth
Gloster Gladiator
Grumman Goose I

Handley Page O/100
Handley Page O/400
Handley Page Harrow
Hawker Hart Trainer
North American Harvard IIB, III
Douglas Havoc
Hawker Siddeley Hawk T1, T1A
Grumman Hellcat I, II
Curtiss Helldiver
Hawker Henley
De Havilland Heron C4, CC4
De Havilland Hornet Moth
Vought-Sikorsky Hoverfly I, II
Lockheed Hudson
Hawker Hunter T8, GA11
Hawker Hurricane

BAe Jetstream T2, T3

Vought-Sikorsky Kingfisher I
Avro Lancaster
De Havilland Leopard Moth
Westland Lynx HAS2, HAS3, HMA8
Westland Lysander

Miles M.18 Trainer
Miles M.20 Fighter
Miles Magister
Miles Martinet TT1
Martin Maryland TT1
Miles Master I
Westland Merlin HM1
Gloster Meteor F3, F4, T7, U15/D15, U16, TT20
North American Mitchell
Miles Monitor TTII
De Havilland Mosquito FII, TIII, FBVI, BXVI, PRXVI, NFXII, B25, NF30, TR33, PR34, TR37
De Havilland Moth

Beech Navigator I
Hawker Nimrod

Hawker Osprey
Airspeed Oxford I, II

Percival Petrel Q.6
McDonnell Douglas Phantom FG1
Percival Proctor
De Havilland Puss Moth

De Havilland Queen Bee
Miles Queen Martinet
Curtis Queen Seamew I

Stinson Reliant I
Blackburn Ripon
Blackburn Roc
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Supermarine Scimitar F1
De Havilland Sea Devon C20
Hawker Sea Fury F10, FB11, T20
Gloster Sea Gladiator
Hawker Siddeley Sea Harrier FRS1, FA2, T4, T4A, T4N, T8
Armstrong Whitworth Sea Hawk F1, F2, FB3, FGA4, FB5, FGA6
de Havilland Sea Heron C1
de Havilland Sea Hornet F20, FR20, NF21, PR22
Hawker Sea Hurricane
Westland Sea King HAS1, HAS2, AEW2A, HC4, HAS5, HAR5, HAS6, AsaC7
Supermarine Sea Otter ABR1, ASRII,
Hunting Sea Prince T1, C1, C2
de Havilland Sea Vampire F20, F21, T22
de Havilland Sea Venom NF20, FAW20, FAW21, FAW22
de Havilland Sea Vixen FAW1, FAW2
Supermarine Seafang 31
Supermarine Seafire F15, F17, F45, F46, FR47
Fairey Seafox
Supermarine Seagull ASR1
Fairey Seal
Curtiss Seamew I
Short Seamew AS1, MR2,
Blackburn Shark
Blackburn Skua
Douglas Skyraider AEW1
Fairey Spearfish
Supermarine Spitfire
Short Sturgeon S1
Fairey Swordfish I, II, III, IV

Grumman Tiger Cat
De Havilland Tiger Moth II
Beech Traveller I
Avro Tutor
Hawker Typhoon
Fairey Ultra-light Helicopter

de Havilland Vampire F1, FB5
Percival Vega Gull
Vultee Vengeance
Lockheed Ventura

Supermarine Walrus
Westland Walrus
Westland Wasp HAS1
Westland Wessex HAS1, HAS3, HU5
Westland Whirlwind HAR1, HAR3, HAR5, HAS7, HAR9
Westland Wyvern S4
Miles Whitney Straight A
Vickers Wellington
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley
Grumman Widgeon
Grumman Wildcat I, II, III, IV, V, VI
Westland Wyvern TF2, T3, S4

Royal Marines Helicopters:

Aerospatiale Gazelle
Bell-Westland 47 Sioux
Westland Lynx
Westland Scout

CAG- Thanks for the list!  Quite a few choices there I like.

Was the Short Sunderland flying boat used by the FAA?  I didn't see it on the list but I thought they were used as well.  

Darren - Thanks for the list as I was pretty confused also.  Would this be the correct markings on this kit ?

Ok, got a bit more done, these rotors are a real pain, usually they will have a substantial pin or a top and bottom split at the base to provide a good solid hold at the hub, but these are basically just glued to the side of the hub with barely even a nipple to locate them.

Aaron- Despite the challenges of the kit, looks like you are doing a bang-up job on it.  Well done!

Sean- Love those Gladiators, can't wait to see yours!  And, good to see another biplane here for the upcoming FAAGB II.

Sean- OOPS!  Sorry.

I have not built that one, though I do recall Nam having a very hard time with it last year.  I have Roden's Nieuport 28 kit, and overall it's pretty good.  All I have done so far is to remove and clean up some of the parts.  Most of the parts are very-well molded, though a few are not.  Unfortunately, those that are not are difficult to fix or replace.  They are no Tamigawa kits, and not as good as the Eduard offerings IMHO.  Perhaps nam will pipe in once he is all settled in to give a first-person account of that kit.

AaronW looks like you soothed the pain of the rotors quite well!!!!! They look great in the pics!!!!

Darren, another one I didn't see was the Percival Pembroke. I saw a couple back in '78 at the Watsonville Antique Fly-in in California but can't remember if they were RAF or FAA! Thanks for posting the list btw will give insight into what may be next! lol

Aaron W, That helicopter is almost there! Looks the biz with the rotor blades now!  Those are a pain with one set to get to look right and youv'e done it with two! I have seen fellows lay them inside of dinner plates and tape the edges to the plate just to keep the shape as they dry.  Yours are looking just right!

The color is dark. Maybe the camera but is it a dark scheme? Are you basing the markings off a particular bird and era?

Sean that is interesting. The Sea Gladiator in Markings of the Malta Defender. One of 3. Faith Hope and Charity I believe. The most famous of the FAA Gladiators!  I think Nam is working on that kit and he is the one to ask!

Frank I wonder how long until my super secret projects arrive?  About a week perhaps? Then I'll be ready for mischief!

Daywalker wrote:

CAG- Thanks for the list!  Quite a few choices there I like. Was the Short Sunderland flying boat used by the FAA?  I didn't see it on the list but I thought they were used as well.

Sorry old chum, they were the preserve of the RAF..........and yes, I have one in the stash too!!

Summit wrote:

Darren - Thanks for the list as I was pretty confused also.  Would this be the correct markings on this kit ?

Absolutely old bean! I have a special affection for the aircrews and aircraft that fought during the battle for Malta. A fine choice indeed! 

simpilot34 wrote:

AaronW looks like you soothed the pain of the rotors quite well!!!!! They look great in the pics!!!! Darren, another one I didn't see was the Percival Pembroke. I saw a couple back in '78 at the Watsonville Antique Fly-in in California but can't remember if they were RAF or FAA! Thanks for posting the list btw will give insight into what may be next! lol

Not 100% certain on that one.......the list is pretty reliable so I'd say it was likely an RAF bird.

AaronW,

nice work on the helo! Looking forward to seeing more!

The Navy version of the Pembroke was called the Sea Prince. Deffo a Royal navy bird too. There's one sat not three miles from where I am at the mo. It's in a bit of a slightly rough state and is under restoration but I will try and get piccies of it some time soon but here's a linky to piccies of her http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=WF122&distinct_entry=true

All the best.

Greg

TANGO 1 wrote:

Daywalker wrote: CAG- Thanks for the list!  Quite a few choices there I like. Was the Short Sunderland flying boat used by the FAA?  I didn't see it on the list but I thought they were used as well.   Sorry old chum, they were the preserve of the RAF..........and yes, I have one in the stash too!!

DANG!  I was certain those were FAA birds.  Guess the amphibian part made me think FAA for sure.  While we're on the subject, does Merchant Navy aircraft and Coastal Command aircraft qualify?  My Swordfish has the markings for the Merchant Navy which I like and the Beaufighter I have has markings for Coastal Command.  Not trying to be difficult, just wanted to check on these as my knowledge of those subjects is shamefully limited.

Daywalker wrote:

Spike- LOL!  I shudder at the thought of the photos of the runner-ups.  PLEASE don't show them!

Very well, sir! But it will cost you an extra ration of rum

An afterthought......I wonder what the penalty is for blackmailing the XO.....

Summit wrote:

Frank - I don't have the kit yet, I was thinking about ordering it though. I have never bought or built a "Roden" kit before - what is your opinon on them ?

 Ah a most convincing arguement! Bondo!  I can say I think Sean will choose to accept that challenge.  Nam should be able to shed more light on the kit quality on his return!  I hope his move is going well. I hate moving after so many in the military. I unpacked many a destroyed model from those dern army packers!

 CAG! You got me all worked up! I'm gonna have to do something crazy now to put myself in the mindset! A couple of surprise projects  to liven things up a bit and give your production line of beautiful work a little competetion!  You and Aaron are ruling the pages with Gregger's inventions and Sean's clean builds sending my mind reeling!  Yes I do believe it is time to raise up!  Get off my keyboard and onto my bench!

Where the heck is Roy?  Did you guys leave him in the brig again?

Daywalker wrote:

TANGO 1 wrote:  Daywalker wrote: CAG- Thanks for the list!  Quite a few choices there I like. Was the Short Sunderland flying boat used by the FAA?  I didn't see it on the list but I thought they were used as well.   Sorry old chum, they were the preserve of the RAF..........and yes, I have one in the stash too!! DANG!  I was certain those were FAA birds.  Guess the amphibian part made me think FAA for sure.  While we're on the subject, does Merchant Navy aircraft and Coastal Command aircraft qualify?  My Swordfish has the markings for the Merchant Navy which I like and the Beaufighter I have has markings for Coastal Command.  Not trying to be difficult, just wanted to check on these as my knowledge of those subjects is shamefully limited.

Frank,

even though the Sunderlands were RAF birds, they did work very closely with the Navy, if you want to build one, go for it!  Coastal Command were RAF, however they worked along side the RN, and near as, did the same jobs-why not include them? As for merchant Navy, you have me there! My guess is if its British and naval-then it counts!

What I'm saying is, as long as you're sticking to FAA, or its associated units...Coastal Command etc. then go ahead and build the model you want. Remember, its all about having fun around here.

Quick update:

I sprayed the dull-coat on my Crusader today and finished all the fiddly bits for my display base. I am now onto the last-minute details now, should be done in the next few days.

I am still fighting the Seafury, just waiting for some more paint to dry before I add the upper camo colour.

Holy cow CAG! Getter DONE! There ya rednecked cowboy you!  Er I mean mine fine fellow associate from the British Empire. I think that you could start your own tutorial Magazine. You could call it CAG's corner or something? After the Sea Fury is on the shelf are you going to start the Sutherland?  Wowzers !

Frank  wow you and the Darren together building Short Sutherlands! Way cool!  Man you guys can come up with some stuff!

TANGO 1 wrote:

What I'm saying is, as long as you're sticking to FAA, or its associated units...Coastal Command etc. then go ahead and build the model you want. Remember, its all about having fun around here.

LtCmr Billy Bondo, chief ale tester.