pearl harbor 2007 thankyou

Desertrat

fun to do in pennsylvania..... depends where ya will be.  all i know is erie, pittsburgh, philly and gettysburg is fun places to go otherwise im not sure.  if ya are history bluff then Philly and gettysburg mightbe best place to go.  hope it helps smiles

fightnjoe wrote:

roger your job is far more important.  we will be here when you return.  as for getting the build done in the "timeframe" well i think you will do fine with that.  the badge looks good.  i think it sets a good tone for the build.

Thanks Joe! I've actually kicked around the idea of bringing the kit with me, but i think maybe the airlines might have issues with me bringing an exacto knife and things of the like. Anyone know of anything really fun to do in Pennsylvania?

roger your job is far more important.  we will be here when you return.  as for getting the build done in the "timeframe" well i think you will do fine with that.  the badge looks good.  i think it sets a good tone for the build.

joe 

Sorry i haven't been around lately guys. But i got a bit of a shock a few days ago here, and it looks like i'll have to step away from the bench for a couple of months. The unit is sending me to Pennsylvania to get certified on a different airframe, so it looks like i'll be messing with the 1/1 scale aircraft until memorial day. I've got about 2 weeks till i have to be there, so i'm gonna be wrapped up messing with getting ready to go in the meantime. I'll get on and check with y'all as often as i can. But the sad part is that it's gonna severely cut into the time i have to make the GB deadline. But i'll see what i can do with 6 months after i get back.

On the GB Badge, i took the more favored ones and refined it a little here. I found that when i go to shrink it down some more, ya can't read the text well. So y'all take a look at this one and let me know what you think. If it works for ya,then by all means save it to post.It's ready to download. The text is still kinda small, but i didn't wanna block much of the picture, and if i make it any larger, then Onfinite will put a watermark in there. Whaddya think?

Ahhhh nuts!  I started the Tamiya 1/32 A6M2 about 3 weeks ago.  Going with every piece of Eduard PE I can put on it, plus located some really nice 20mm from HLJ.  That should be enough goodies for this one.  If there is no objection, I'll just follow along with the crowd on this one.

off the point but its related with pearl harbor

years ago when i went to VFW in Illinois and i saw a great theory on the sign and would like ask all of ya. you might or might not see this sign.

the sign stated

"If there was no Pearl Harbor, would there be Hiroshima?"

as for my opinion  i would say no since after pearl harbor, the US Pacific Fleet didnt lose any battleships after the pearl harbor attack, so there will be 8 or 9 battleships still active.  Probably will lose some in other sea battles such as midway or guadalcanal or coral sea.  my opinion would be wrong but who knows.  also can use the battleships to bang up the islands before sending the marines on beach.  again  who knows smiles.

most definitely on the b-17c. 

joe 

i did research about aircraft models,  accurate minitures now have speical edition on two aircrafts (two aircrafts in one package) that was stationed at Pearl Harbor  the SBD-1 and Vindicator  just in case if someone is interesting. smiles

http://www.accurate-miniatures.com/catalog/0251.shtml

for those interested this is the thread i started a couple of years ago for pearl related stuff.  some of the links still work so bonus.

 /forums/219906/ShowPost.aspx

joe 

Thanks, Joe -

The J2F pic I have is in the Squadron book "Golden Wings 1941-1945", and I misremembered. The Duck belonged to VJ-2, not VJ-1. In the background is an early PBY identified as a PBY-1, although it carries the spinners of the -4, for what that's worth (probably not much).  I checked the Pearl Harbor Models site, and it shows that VJ-2 had 2 PBY-1's assigned.  It's hard to tell, but it looks like this PBY has a solid tail color, maybe VJ-2's lemon yellow.  In any case, it's definitely not in the blue/gray camo of the patrol squadrons. No markings are visible, so it could be a yellow wing. Can't remember if any Cats ever carried the overall light gray of late '41.

Looks like a possible, anyway.

Dick

dick i will look around.  i thought i had a pic of sbd's but it may have been much earlier.  i have heard and seen pics of training a/c that were yellow wing.  give me a few days.

joe 

Joe -

I'd like to learn more about yellow wing Navy birds at Pearl. The only photo I've seen was of a J2F-4 from VJ-1.  What else have you found?

Dick

roger you are somewhat correct.  the official color scheme had been changed to od over neutral gray.  however some of the b-18's and p-36's hadnt been changed yet.  remember there were navy birds still in the yellow wing scheme also.  if you go with the nmf or yellow wing schemes there are some photos that show some very unique birds.  for the badge i am drawn to the fourth one.  like the build itself the badge would really fit the reason behind the build.

silent the hawks were no match against the zeke one on one.  the only chance they had was a high speed dive through a flight of zekes and then continue in the dive until a safe distance from the zekes.  i believe that a sunken arizona would be a very fitting build for this.  although most only build prestine a/c and such the aftermath of the attack would be good subjects also.  and yes there were biplanes in hawaii.  in fact both civilian and military biplanes were damaged in the attack.  the military still used them for training.

joe 

DesertRat

Mostly of the aircrafts at Pearl Harbor was Olive drab and some are light gray and some are silver like the P36 with number 86 on it.  and as for the badges   they look great to me,  i like the first and the last pictures the best.

Im curious,  from what i hear and read,  does P40 and P36 were match against the zeros/Vals/kates or they are too fast and stronger than them?

and Im wondering if its okay to build a sunken Arizona in this group build or rather before the attack start?  let me know thanks

Funny thing is that when i was boy and I saw Tora Tora Tora and thought i want to join up the navy since that movie inspired me to join but dang  guess what   Im deaf   darn!  

and dont forgot there are still some biplanes at Pearl Harbor.

   Well with the understanding that this GBs end date is December 7th, i am seeing this as more of a memorial for the sailors and airmen and others who lost their lives during the attack on Pearl Harbor, and a way to honor them. So with that in mind, here were some of my suggestions for the badge:

Of course these are only suggestions, and i'm certainly interested in what y'all think. Maybe someone else has a different idea? They're still kinda rough and need a little refining, but lemme know what ya think.

Say Joe? I thought that the only color scheme was the standard issue green/gray for these aircraft at this time. If indeed there were others, i would love to see what ya got! Always good to have options....

first let me say i am thrilled there is interest in this build. 

roger yes the p-40b would fit nicely.  if you are looking for schemes i do have some scans and pics that would be of help to you.  as far as a badge go for it.  i am not into the badges as much but i know others will want one. 

scott i am glad to see i peaked your interest.  the pearl attack is a bit of an obsession and i hope that the members learn a little durring the build.

silenmodeler i look forward to seeing your build.  the ships of the attack for both sides are very interesting to me.

thad i am glad to oblige.  as long as i am able you know there will be a pearl build.

mike it was interesting to know that despite recomendations from junior officers the threat of sabatoge was thought to be so strong the usaac disarmed and drained the planes of fuel.  it was said that although they thought the usaac was so strong they could repel any attack from any air force.  problem being to refuel and rearm and then untangle the fighters would have taken four hours.  there was a plan in the works to have civilian spotters working to warn the aircommands.  it was thought that the warning would have given them all of five minutes of advance warning.

many of the accounts i have read stated that even with bombs and bullets striking around military and civilian personal the idea of an attack was hard to grasp.  one stated that two boys were out hunting and after one was killed by bullets the other still thought the usaac had made a tragic mistake.

this build is a go and i look forward to seeing it come together.  i will work on a list for entries as i can.  two years ago we had museums in hawaii looking at our build for display pieces.  for those interested in the reference forum on this site there is a thread on pearl harbor covering some aspects.  i hope it is of some help.

joe 

It's ironic that the Army and Navy commanders at Pearl Harbor thought their defenses were so strong that no one would ever attack them, so most of their defensive measures were to counter potential sabatoge. 

Speaking of which, I just received some original black and white scans of some old photos that came out of a camera from a family friend who was there that fateful day and took a bunch of great pictures.  I hope to have them up on my website soon and I'll post a link when I do. 

I was reading the book that Carl Molesworth co-wrote with "Gabby" Gabreski and found some interesting information. Gabby was there during the attack (45FS/15FG) and flew on patrol in a P-36 after the initial attack expecting followup raids. Many of the P-36's survived the attack since they were considered obsolete and were scattered around the edge of the fields. The P-40's were bunched up in the center of the field to prevent sabotage.

Mike T.

Joe I was wondering if your were going to do another one this year. Put my name in the hat, looks like I have some time to see whats in the stash before I deside what to build.

Thad

The biggest issues with the P-36 were the fact that it was very lightly armed with only 2 machine guns (one .30 cal, and one .50 cal), no armor protection for the pilot and no self sealing fuel tanks.

The P-40 was more rugged as it had armor protection, self sealing fuel tanks and up to 6 machine guns depending on which variant you're looking at. 

The P-40 came about as there was suddenly an urgent need for a modern fighter for the allies.  By simply swapping out the inline engine for the radial, performance was improved (less drag) but the aircraft was pretty much ready to be produced in big numbers as the tooling etc. were already in place.  The P-40 were ordered in quantitiy by several nations as it was ready to rock, not necessarily because it was a superior aircraft.  It served it's purpose however, and kept the allies in the game long enough for other aircraft to be developed and produced to replace it (P-38, P-47 and P-51, not too mention the Hurricane and Spitfire). 

espins1 wrote:

DesertRat wrote: Now that plane is really kickin, Rick! A regular work of art! I didn't realize before just how many similarities the P-36 shares with the P-40 though. I wonder if Curtiss make the 40 as kinda an updated version of the Mohawk. If i didn't know better, i woulda sworn it was a Warhawk who had that second piece of pie! The P-40 actually is a direct evolution of the P-36.  Curtiss simply attached an Allison inline engine in place of the radial to make the P-40.  The idea being it would be more streamlined than the radial engined P-36.

Yeah, that's what it looks like. It seems everything else is the same. Only real difference being the conture lines of the forward side of the fuselage to allow for the engine and power plant. I wonder how the handling of both aircrafts compare with it's similarities and differences.

DesertRat wrote:

Now that plane is really kickin, Rick! A regular work of art! I didn't realize before just how many similarities the P-36 shares with the P-40 though. I wonder if Curtiss make the 40 as kinda an updated version of the Mohawk. If i didn't know better, i woulda sworn it was a Warhawk who had that second piece of pie!

The P-40 actually is a direct evolution of the P-36.  Curtiss simply attached an Allison inline engine in place of the radial to make the P-40.  The idea being it would be more streamlined than the radial engined P-36. 

Now that plane is really kickin, Rick! A regular work of art!

I didn't realize before just how many similarities the P-36 shares with the P-40 though. I wonder if Curtiss make the 40 as kinda an updated version of the Mohawk. If i didn't know better, i woulda sworn it was a Warhawk who had that second piece of pie!

Say Joe? In kinda a weird coincidence, i had picked up a few reprints of recruiting posters for the Home office/hobby room here, and it gave me a couple of ideas on a badge. I was wondering if maybe you had something in mind. If not, maybe i could pitch em? Just a thought....

rjkplasticmod

whoa!!  beautiful P36A!    i have read about that aircraft which has over hundreds of bullet holes on it. 

and Im in!  I will be doing HAS 1/700 IJN Aircraft Carrier, Akagi (high grade full hull version).  If i have pently of time, will be doing more since I have alot of Pearl Harbor models kit.

Joe, put me down as a definite maybe.  I have no idea what I'll build, but I'll think of something.

Scott, Roger... Here's the Special Hobby 1/32 P-36A " Pearl Harbor Defender" kit that I built for last years Pearl Harbor GB.

Regards,  Rick

DesertRat wrote:

espins1 wrote: Cool, another kit I already have in my stash.  Put me down for a 1/32 Special Hobby P-36A "Pearl Harbor Defender" Now there's an aircraft i've never seen built! Now look what you've done! Ya got me all psyched up!

I was stoked when I saw this GB pop up as I've been eyeing my P-36A in the stash for at least a year.  It will be a nice change of pace from what I usually build.   

espins1 wrote:

Cool, another kit I already have in my stash.  Put me down for a 1/32 Special Hobby P-36A "Pearl Harbor Defender"

Now there's an aircraft i've never seen built! Now look what you've done! Ya got me all psyched up!