MiG Killers Group Build, 7/07 to 6/08

So sorry to hear of your disaster there in TX. Glad to hear your family is safe and well, thank God for that. I hope your casualty list can be repaired or at least brought back to life. I hope and pray that life gets back to normal as soon as possible for your family. If there is anything I can do to help, let me know.

Steve

Ridle, I am going to grab them off your post and clean them up a little for you. Shoot me your email addy so I can send them back to you. You can reload them on PhotoBucket and edit your post with the cleaner pics.

A nice little free photo editor program you can get is called Picasa distributed by Google for free and every bit as good as Photoshop, Corel. or Paint Shop Pro.

EMAIL INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Air Master Modeler wrote:

Ridle,  Those pics are really dark. Is there any way you can lighten them up? If not shoot me an email and I'll give you my email addy to send me the pics and I will clean them up for you. Rand

Rand,

I really don't know how to lighten them up, and I don't think I have any software that'll do it.  My digital camera is getting to be about 4 or 5 years old which I believe is anchient as far as electronics are concerned.  Feel free to do what you can with the pictures.  You can get them directly from my photobucket album at:

 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v491/ridleusmc/

The Write-Pat pictures are in 3 different albums entitled A-1E Write Patterson, F-4C Write Patterson, and Write Patterson AF Museum.  Feel free to take a look around the rest of the photobucket site.  I'm proud of most of the builds on there.

Semper Fi,

Chris

ilovef-4 wrote:

Sign me up, just one question do they have to be real aircraft or can they come from a book? if not are there any F-4D Phantoms yet(1:48) most likely.

It doesnt matter. The only rule here is that the aircraft your model will represent should have at least one comfirmed Mig Kill. Kill markings are not necessary but you may add them if you want. I'll mark you down for an F-4D. Here is a link to look up F-4D MiG Kills:

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_244.shtml

Welcome aboard!

Ridle,

 Those pics are really dark. Is there any way you can lighten them up? If not shoot me an email and I'll give you my email addy to send me the pics and I will clean them up for you.

Rand

I made it to the USAF Museum in Dayton, OH today.  I didn't wear the USMC T-shirt in order keep from offend the hosts.  I took some pictures of some targets:

(Updated enhanced photos, thanks Airmaster)

Col. Robin Olds' F-4C Scat XXVII:

And some pics of the A-1E for Deathrattler:

Semper Fi,

Chris

Cj, Thanks for providing the link to look up F-4E Mig kills. I am sure Henry will find it very useful.

I have used an air compressor before and I just bought a new Paasche H airbrush set which is every bit as good as Badger. This Passche H is my third one as I had the other two stolen. I used it to paint this bird here with just a can of air. (see pic)

Took the Paasche for a test drive on the Gunfighter and got excellent results. Now imagine what I'll be able to do using an air compressor.   OH Yeah!

Ok....Im not going to hand copy everything on the list, but look at these two links for Vietnam A-A kills.

I saw some F-4E kills in part 2.

Part 1

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_243.shtml

Part 2

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_244.shtml

In other news....congrats on the new airbrush compressor.......I remeber when I took the leap from canned air to a real compressor and it was 110% worth the cost.

Get a good fine-tip airbrush  (like a badger) and you will be set for life.

Henry, The seats the kit comes with are pretty acurate they only lack seat belts and O2 bottles (ie, green apple) which you can add from scratch and use a PE set for the seat belts. I may just scratch build the detail on the seats in my F-4E just to gain more experience at scratch building. Resin seats would definatly look awesome on the pit.

Guess I missed or forgot the parameters listed on the first post.  I'm probably going to do mine pretty much out of the box.  I do have a buttload of aftermarket stuff for a F-4E, but I want to get one built without anything special first before I go whole hog on one.  I may switch out the ejection seats for some resins though.

Henry

LOL!!!

Excellent!!!

Air Master Modeler wrote:

Mike,  Make that 8 people participating, hwells just joined us. Welcome Aboard Henry! Your right, we do have enough people participating to go ahead with the July 15th start. OH YEAH!

Yeah, I just caught that Rand. Awesome!!! Should be a great GB!!

ruddratt wrote:

Sweet-looking 'pit there, Rand!! ...and great work on the Crusader! $15 for that 1/32 F-15?! That's about as good a deal as it can get. Nicely done!   Well, so far we have 7, Rand, and even if we don't make it to 10, I say we should not pull the plug on this GB. Seems as though there are a lot already committed to other GB's, and 7 is really not such a bad number. I have 7 signed up for my Lockheed GB and I'm ecstatic! I think this GB will draw plenty in the amount of interest and late arrivals.

Mike, 

Make that 8 people participating, hwells just joined us. Welcome Aboard Henry! Your right, we do have enough people participating to go ahead with the July 15th start. OH YEAH!. We will still welcome late comers joining. I am excited myself about this GB since its the first one I've hosted. I can only hope I will be a gracious host and try to help everyone as much as possible.

Henry,

Cj might be able to dig up any F-4E Mig kills. I am sure there were many in later part of Vietnam. I cant find how he looked them up but I am sure as soon as he see's this he will get you some info. WWII German Mig kills wont count on this GB, its American fighters and attack aircraft from the Korean War to present that bagged a MiG or two or more.  

Air Master

Hey Rand

 Put me down for an 1/48 F-4E ProModeler.  I've got some Two-Bobs decals that has an F-4E that got a probable.  Would that work, or does it have to be confirmed? 

Also, would WWII German Eastern Front stuff count?

Henry

Sweet-looking 'pit there, Rand!! ...and great work on the Crusader!

$15 for that 1/32 F-15?! That's about as good a deal as it can get. Nicely done!

Well, so far we have 7, Rand, and even if we don't make it to 10, I say we should not pull the plug on this GB. Seems as though there are a lot already committed to other GB's, and 7 is really not such a bad number. I have 7 signed up for my Lockheed GB and I'm ecstatic! I think this GB will draw plenty in the amount of interest and late arrivals.

Ridle, The Tamiya 1/32 F-15E is pretty much the same.. has screws for securing parts and the metal landing gear. I have the Strike Eagle in my stash and picked it up at a garage sale still brand new unopened for $15.00. Thats practicly stealing it, hehehe.

I suggest you go with the resin seats but add the ejection hoses from the box set to it. I am using a Legend F-4J resin set in my Phantom. (see picture) Ejection hoses on top on seat is from the box. Paint seat accordingly and add the hoses last with a bit of super glue.

Cj, I would look into Photo Etch set before you consider a resin set. Having worked with both resin and PE I feel PE is alot easier to work with. Below is a pic of my F-8E, this gunfighter was published in an article I submitted to ARC and I used an Eduard F-8 PE set for the cockpit detail.

PE cockpit

Actual Model

Just my

Air Master

Speaking of learning new techniques, I'm gonna go for the bare metal foil on my F-86 when it arrives.

Never done this, so it may end up a  sticky mess.  However, I have never been impressed with photos of Alclad built models so this is my only option......

Now Im just trying to decide if I want to add a resin cockpit.   

I couldn't resist the temptation to open the kit and check it out.  The previous owner did touch some of the kit parts, but only the ejection seats.  The kit seats are already assembled and primed, plus a pair of resin ejection seats are in the box already assembled and primed. 

A triple inventory of the box hasn't reveiled any missing parts.  The instruction book is 20 pages long, and there are alot of metal screws for a PLASTIC model kit.  The fuselage section is BIG, about 18 inches long without the nose and tail.  This thing may end up being 20 or 21 inches long.  I haven't started this monster yet, but I'm really looking forward to it. 

Maybe I'll go up to the AirForce museum in Dayton on Wednesday to check out the real thing. 

Semper Fi,

Chris

Yup! I'm with Steve on this. Every new skill and technique I know I learned from people here, from scribing to weathering. Group Builds are great to be a part of because you will learn things you didn't know you could do and be a better modeler for it. 

Air Master

He Rattler thats what we are all here for. The best way to learn new things and make a lot of friends with a wealth of knowledge. Getting involved in GB's is is the way to go and learning along the way. By the way welcome.

Steve

Thanks Cj for that great site, lots of great interesting info. It does show that there were two confirmed Marine Mig kills. Regretfully none in a F-8 that I can find. One was a VMFA-333 F-4J but I already have four of them built as it was my old squadron. The other one was a Marine pilot in a USAF F-4, wonder what that was all about?. So, I guess I will save the F-8 for my Marine collection and I will enter with an F-4 since I have about six of them in the stash. Can never have enough F-4's.

Steve

Guys,

 We still need 3 or more people to join. If you know anyone thats interested get them over here! The more ... the merrier!

Air Master

deathrattler32 wrote:

and as u can see i tried to get that patch and didnt work so if u could help me with that it would be great lol

Go to http://photobucket.com/ and create a free account. Next upload the badge your going to use to your album. After it uploads go to your album and checkmark it then below the image click on HTML tag and copy the code. Go to back FSM sign in and go to your profile and click on update profile, in the signature area paste the code and click save changes and go back to forum and it should show up

deathrattler32 wrote:

yes in nam there was actuall 2 skyraiders involved in shooting down the mig. the 1/48 tamiya A1-H has the kill marking and i read the article on the firefight and they actually have a debriefing u can listen to on the battle the mig went after the one skyraider and the 2nd skyraider got the angle on the mig and shot it down here is the site with the radio conversation that was taped from the uss intrepid http://skyraider.org/skyassn/sartapes/migkill/migkill.htm

Ok Rattler, Do you want to change your build to a A-1 Skyraider? If so let me know so I can mark down the change. If you still also want to build that F-15C that is perfectly cool with me.

Let me know what you decide.

Air Master