MiG Killers Group Build, 7/07 to 6/08

yes in nam there was actuall 2 skyraiders involved in shooting down the mig. the 1/48 tamiya A1-H has the kill marking and i read the article on the firefight and they actually have a debriefing u can listen to on the battle the mig went after the one skyraider and the 2nd skyraider got the angle on the mig and shot it down here is the site with the radio conversation that was taped from the uss intrepid

http://skyraider.org/skyassn/sartapes/migkill/migkill.htm

Death....sinceI was on the page looking up the A-1 kills, I figured I would copy down all the ODS victories.......F-15 or otherwise.

I kinda like the first one....the manuver kill credited to the EF-111   too bad it wasnt a MiG or I'd be tempted to build that one.

Thats a kill with style baybe! 

And since we're on the topic.....the F-15 kills from the Balkans

cj95 wrote:

Air Master Modeler wrote:   The A-1 Skyraider cannot be counted because it was a close support aircraft and I dont there was one that shot down a Mig. I could be wrong. Air Master      Believe it or not............. 20Jun65 VA-25 A-1H C.Johnson   20mm MiG-17 (shared) 20Jun65 VA-25 A-1H C.Hartman III   20mm* MiG-17 (shared) 9Oct66 VA-176 A-1H W. Patton   20mm MiG-17    But those are not as surprising as this one.......   1May67 VA-76 A-4C T. Swartz   Zuni Rocket MiG-17 A kill with freaking Zuni rockets.........pwned!!! Somebody has got to build that one.

Well I'll be . LOL I stand corrected! Thanks Cj! Your going to be a wealth of information for this GB. Keep it up!

Air Master

Air Master Modeler wrote:

The A-1 Skyraider cannot be counted because it was a close support aircraft and I dont there was one that shot down a Mig. I could be wrong. Air Master

Believe it or not.............

 But those are not as surprising as this one.......

A kill with freaking Zuni rockets.........pwned!!!

Somebody has got to build that one.

deathrattler32 wrote:

so does the kit have to have markings for a plane that shot down a mig or just a version of the plane cuz i got 2 ideas either a f-15 or a skyraider but like to get more info

Death, Basicly this is a themed group build and the subject is about aircraft that shot down Mig's. You chose an F-15C as your MiG Killer, now before you start building it do some research on the F-15C and see if there were any that shot down MiG's in Operation Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom or over Afganistan, next see if you can find decals for that F-15C and then build the model as you normally would. Post your progress, ask for advice and help.

The A-1 Skyraider cannot be counted because it was a close support aircraft and I dont there was one that shot down a Mig. I could be wrong.

Air Master 

Welcome aboard Ridle, sidure. deathrattler and Cj!

Air Master

Cool, I'm on it.  I'm lucky, this 1/32 Tamiya kit only cost me $2 worth of raffle tickets.  And it's a beautiful kit.

Semper Fi,

Chris

Gotcha Cj an F-86F it is! You can blame it on me.

Air Master

Arrrgh.......

I made a promise not to buy anymore kits until I finished the ones in the stash, but I dont have any MiG killers in there.   ( A few Migs....no killers)

Count me in for a F-86F....probably the 1/48 Academy kit.  I have no idea on which specific aircraft to model, but I figure I'll have lots and lots  (and lots) of choices.

 Ok....Im off to Sprue Brothers........

(Wife is gonna kill me.) 

deathrattler32 wrote:

so does the kit have to have markings for a plane that shot down a mig or just a version of the plane cuz i got 2 ideas either a f-15 or a skyraider but like to get more info

I had explained to ww2 on first page that the plane need not have the kill markings. You can add them or leave them off... its your choice. The point being is to build the way you want with no rules or restrictions other than your model be of an aircraft that has a Mig Kill.

Air Master

ridleusmc wrote:

I didn't specify, Robin Olds was an Army Air Corps and then an Air Force officer.  He achieved 12 victories in WWII and 4 more in Vietnam.  Olds designed Operation Bolo which was a very successful operation used to draw Mig-21's into an aireal trap.  I'm a Jarhead, but that doesn't mean I can't model an Air Force aircraft. Semper Fi, Chris

Chris, You can build any Mig Killer A/C your little heart so desires.

cj95 wrote:

I may be wrong, but I dont think there were any Marine air to air victories during vietnam.   This should not be surprising since Marines are primarily tasked with Close Air Suport and should not be off chasing Migs to start off with.   However there were I think 18 or so Naval F-8 victories......actually the best kill ratio of the war belonged to the F-8

One F-8 Mig kill I am familar with was that of U.S. Navy Cmd. Richard Bellenger serving with VF-162 flying F-8E's from the USS Oriskany shot down his first Mig in 1966. 

Air Master

I didn't specify, Robin Olds was an Army Air Corps and then an Air Force officer.  He achieved 12 victories in WWII and 4 more in Vietnam.  Olds designed Operation Bolo which was a very successful operation used to draw Mig-21's into an aireal trap.  I'm a Jarhead, but that doesn't mean I can't model an Air Force aircraft.

Semper Fi,

Chris    

I may be wrong, but I dont think there were any Marine air to air victories during vietnam.

This should not be surprising since Marines are primarily tasked with Close Air Suport and should not be off chasing Migs to start off with.

However there were I think 18 or so Naval F-8 victories......actually the best kill ratio of the war belonged to the F-8

Do you have room for me?  I'm about to start a Tamiya 1/32 F-4C Phantom II.  It has markings for Col. Robin Olds' mount Scat XXVII.  The kill count would be 2 Mig 17's and 2 Mig 21's. 

Semper Fi,

Chris

Hey Rand, I am definetly in on this GB. I think it's a great idea and perfect timing for me as I am wrapping up some other GB's right now so the timing is great. I have my own personal Gb's that I am doing which is to build as many Marine Corp birds as I can.I have an F-8 Crusader in my stash from Monogram with USMC decals so I would like to find out if any USMC Crusader bagged a Mig?. Thanks for the website cj I will look it up in a minute to check but if anyone knows of a Crusader kill please let me know. If that is not a candidate then I will build a F-4J from VF-31 flown by CMD Flynn in June of '72 when he splashed a Mig. I have a 1/48 kit and decals for it ready to go. As a foot note my friend also flew that same bird during there time at Yankee station. It is currently in the Air and Space Museum (udvar hazy ) in Marine corp markings,  yeaahhhh. Very sore point with the VF-31 Veterans.

Steve

ruddratt wrote:

Thanks Rand! This is going to be a fun build! Oh, and that should read as an F-51D, not 'P'.

Typo corrected

Thanks Rand! This is going to be a fun build!

Oh, and that should read as an F-51D, not 'P'.

Rudd, Change made to P-51D is fine with me and I marked it down.

Cj, when your ready to join the GB let me know I'll add you on.  

NOW, for those reading this... JOIN OUR GB! Come on guys this is gonna be a fun and cool group build.

What are you waiting for? SIGN UP!

Air Master 

Ach.......didnt notice the 'G' vs the 'E' that you were asking about.   Sorry.

I'll probably join this GB myself, but at the moment I have no earthly idea what to work on.

I still got a couple of half-completed tanks on my desk so it may be a bit.

cj...great site and quite a list. Unfortunately for me there is not one F-84G to be seen there.

Fear not though, because I did find this on it....

...so I will use my Tamiya 1/48 F-51D. The kit has markings for a bird from the same unit (36th FBS, 8th FBW), just a different pilot (Capt. J. W. Rogers). Plus, I have a few goodies to add to it....a Black Box 'pit, some Eduard PE, and a nice set of Ultracast exhausts.

So, in light of all this info, I would like to change my entry to the F-51D, because there's no way I'm backing out of this GB.

ww2modeler wrote:

Three questions, are we voting on a GB badge or are we just picking the one WE like best. And does our plane have to have the kill markings on it or does it have to be before the mission. And, are GB badges only issued to those who finished or to all those that participate. David

No voting on badges, you can just take what looks best to you. You can add badge as long as your participating. The plane you model will represent does not have to have kill marks unless you want to add them. I plan to add mine because when Cuningham and Driscol got thier 3rd, 4th and 5th kills they already had two MiG kills which were marked on the F-4 on the top of intake splitter plates on both sides. It might look better adding them to but it's not necessary. I'm going leave up to GB members to decide how they want thier Mig Killers to look.

Three questions, are we voting on a GB badge or are we just picking the one WE like best. And does our plane have to have the kill markings on it or does it have to be before the mission. And, are GB badges only issued to those who finished or to all thoe that participate.

David

Thanks for providing the info Cj

Air Master

I know there were several F-15 kills during ODS.....I was just answering the question regarding the f-18C victories.

For info try ACIG.org.....they pretty much have every aerial victory from almost every war since WWII immaginable.

Here are some of the F-84 victories I found.....(may be incomplete since there are buku victories to sort through during Korea.)

Also a number of F-80 kills, F-51 and a whole bunch of B-29 kills   LOL.

Rudd Welcome aboard!

We still need 7 or more people to join. Come on you guys sign up! This will be a worthwhile GB!

Here are the badges we will be using. Take the one you like best.

If badges are to big let me know which ones and ill try to resize them smaller.

Air Master