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The RCAF Group Build Birthday Party

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Posted by brain44 on Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:56 AM

Well, I finally got caught up enough to start on the 1:48 Avro CF-105 for the group build!  Poppie asked me to put up a write up on this aircraft for those who don't know the story behind it - one of the greatest governmental screw-ups in the history of aviation, IMHO,  Here is what I have compiled:

The Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow was a delta-wing interceptor aircraft, designed and built by Avro Aircraft Limited (Canada) in Malton, Ontario, Canada, as the culmination of a design study that began in 1953. Considered to be both an advanced technical and aerodynamic achievement for the Canadian aviation industry, the CF-105 held the promise of Mach 2 speeds at 50,000 ft+ altitude, and was intended to serve as the Royal Canadian Air Force's interceptor for the 1960s and beyond.  Following the start of its flight test program in 1958, the Arrow, and its accompanying Orenda Iroquois jet engine program, were abruptly cancelled in 1959, sparking a long and bitter political debate. The Arrow is still the subject of controversy, almost 50 years after it was cancelled.

Origins

In the post-Second World War period, the Soviet Union began developing a fleet of long-range bombers capable of delivering nuclear weapons to North America and Europe. To counter this threat, Western countries developed interceptor aircraft that could engage and destroy these bombers before they reached their targets.  A. V. Roe Canada Limited had been set up as a subsidiary of the Hawker Siddeley Group in 1945, initially handling repair and maintenance work for aircraft at Malton, Ontario Airport (today known as Pearson International Airport, Toronto's main airport). The next year the company began the design of Canada's first jet fighter for the Royal Canadian Air Force, the Avro CF-100 Canuck all-weather interceptor. The Canuck underwent a lengthy prototype period before entering service seven years later in 1953. It would nevertheless go on to become one of the most enduring aircraft of its class, serving into the 1980s in a variety of roles.  Recognizing that the delays that impacted the development and deployment of the CF-100 could also impact its successor, and the fact that the Soviets were working on newer jet-powered bombers that would render the CF-100 ineffective, the RCAF began looking for a supersonic, missile-armed replacement for the Canuck even before it had entered service. In March 1952, the RCAF's Final Report of the All-Weather Interceptor Requirements Team was submitted to Avro Canada.

Design and development

Avro engineering had been considering supersonic developments for some time at this point. German research during the Second World War had identified a number of solutions to the problems associated with supersonic flight. It was known that the onset of wave drag was greatly reduced by using thinner airfoils with much longer chord, but these airfoils were impractical because they left little internal room in the wing for armament or fuel.  Instead, aerodynamicists employed a swept-wing design to "trick" the airflow into behaving as though it was flowing over a long, thin wing. Almost every fighter project in the postwar era immediately applied the concept, which started appearing on production fighters in the late 1940s. Avro engineers had previously explored swept-wing and tail modification to the CF-100 known as the C103, which had proceeded to wooden mock-up stage, and offered transonic performance with supersonic abilities in a dive. However, the basic CF-100 continued to improve through this period, and the advantages were eroded. When Janusz Zurakowski broke the sound barrier in a dive, interest in the C103 waned.  Another solution, picked up by the Avro engineers, was the delta-wing design. The delta-wing had many of the same advantages of the swept wing in terms of transonic performance, but offered much more internal room and overall area. This providing more room for fuel, an important consideration given the thirsty engines of the era, and the large wing area provided lift at high altitudes. The disadvantages of the design were increased drag at lower speeds and altitudes, and especially higher drag while maneuvering. For the interceptor role these were a minor concerns, as the aircraft would be spending most of its time flying in straight lines at high altitudes and speeds, mitigating these disadvantages. 

In the words of designer James C. Floyd,  "At the time we laid down the design of the CF-105, there was a somewhat emotional controversy going on in the United States on the relative merits of the delta plan form versus the straight wing for supersonic aircraft… our choice of a tailless delta was based mainly on the compromise of attempting to achieve structural and aeroelastic efficiency, with a very thin wing, and yet, at the same time, achieving the large internal fuel capacity required for the specified range".

Further proposals resulted in two versions of the design known as C104: the single engine C104/1, and twin-engined C104/2. The designs were otherwise similar, using a low-mounted delta-wing and powered by the new Orenda TR.9 engines. Armament featured a battery of Velvet Glove missiles, (a Canadair Aircraft product based on CARDE design work), stored in an internal bay. It would be crewed by a single pilot guided by a completely automatic weapons control system to track and attack the target, similar to the system utilized in the F-86D. The primary advantages of the twin-engine C104/2 version was that it was larger overall, with a much larger weapons bay, and that it provided twin-engine reliability. The proposals were submitted to the RCAF in June 1952.

Intensive discussions between Avro and the RCAF examined a wide range of alternative sizes and configurations for a supersonic interceptor, culminating in RCAF Specification AIR 7-3 in April 1953.

AIR 7-3 called specifically for:

    * Crew of two (It was considered unlikely even a fully automated system would reduce workload enough to allow a lone crewman).
    * Twin engines (no single engine then available could lift the fuel load needed for the long-range missions the RCAF demanded).
    * Range of 300 nautical miles (556 km) for a normal low-speed mission, and 200 nautical miles (370 km) for a high-speed interception mission.
    * Operation from a 6,000 foot (1830m) runway.
    * Mach 1.5 cruise at an altitude of 50,000 feet (15,000 m).
    * Maneuverability (2 g turns with no loss of speed or altitude at Mach 1.5 and 50,000 feet).
    * The time from a signal to start the engines to the aircraft's reaching 50,000 feet and Mach 1.5 to be less than five minutes.
    * Turn-around time on the ground was to be less than ten minutes.

An RCAF team led by Ray Footit visited U.S. aircraft producers and surveyed British and French manufacturers before concluding that no existing or planned aircraft could fulfill these requirements.

Avro submitted their modified C105 design in May 1953, essentially a two-man version of the C104/2. A change to a "shoulder-mounted" wing allowed rapid access to the plane's internals, weapons bay, and engines. The new design also allowed the wing to be built as a single structure sitting on the upper fuselage, simplifying construction and improving strength. The wing design required a long main landing gear that still had to fit within the thin delta wing, presenting an engineering challenge. Five different wing sizes were outlined in the report, from 1,000 to 1,400 square feet (93 to 130 m²). The 1,200 square-foot (111 m²) version was eventually selected. Three engines were considered as well: the Rolls-Royce RB.106, the Bristol B.0L.4 Olympus, and the Curtiss-Wright J67 (a license-built version of the Olympus). The RB-106 was selected, with the J67 as backup.  The weapons bay design was larger than the original C104/2 design, situated in a large thin box on the bottom fuselage, running from a point adjacent to the front of the wing to the middle of the fuselage. The weapon system originally selected was the Hughes MX-1179, which was a pairing of the existing MA-1 fire-control system with the AIM-4 Falcon missile of both radar-guided and heat-seeking variants. This system was already under development for proposed use in the USAF's WS-2011954 interceptor (dating from 1949, which would lead to the F-102 Delta Dagger). The Velvet Glove radar-guided missile had been under development with the RCAF for some time, but was considered unsuitable for supersonic launch, and further work on that project was eventually cancelled in 1956.

In July 1953, the proposal was accepted and Avro was given the go-ahead to start a full design study. In December, $27 million was provided to start flight modeling. At first, the project was limited in scope, but the introduction of the Soviet Myasishchev M-4 Bison jet bomber and the Soviet Union's testing of a hydrogen bomb dramatically changed Cold War priorities. In March 1955, the contract was upgraded to $260 million for five Arrow Mark 1 flight-test aircraft, to be followed by 35 Arrow Mark 2s with production engines and fire-control systems.  Most aircraft designs start with the construction of a small number of hand-built prototypes that are test flown and modified, if required, before being committed to a set of jigs for production. This requires extra time to move from testing to manufacturing. The Arrow program instead adopted the Cook-Craigie plan. Developed in the 1940s, Cook-Craigie eliminated the prototype phase, with the first test airframes constructed on production jigs. Any changes would be incorporated into the jigs while testing continued, with full production starting when the test program was complete. As Jim Floyd noted at the time, this was a risky approach, but together with the RCAF, "...it was decided to take the technical risks involved to save time on the programme… I will not pretend that this philosophy of production type build from the outset did not cause us a lot of problems in Engineering. However, it did achieve its objective." 

In order to mitigate risks, a massive testing program was started. By mid-1954, the first production drawings were issued and wind tunnel work began. In a related program, nine instrumented free-flight models were mounted on solid fuel Nike rocket boosters and launched over Lake Ontario while two additional models were launched from Wallops Island, USA, over the Atlantic Ocean. These models were for aerodynamic drag and stability testing, flown to a maximum speed of Mach 1.7+ before intentionally crashing into the water. Ongoing efforts have been made to search for the models in Lake Ontario, and, to date, two have reputedly been found, along with one Nike booster and another for a Velvet Glove.  Experiments showed the need for only a small number of design changes, mainly involving the wing profile and positioning. To improve high-alpha performance, the leading edge of the wing was drooped, especially on outer sections, a dog-tooth was introduced to control spanwise flow, and the entire wing given a slight negative camber which helped control trim drag and pitch-up.  The area rule principle, made public in 1952, was also applied to the design. This resulted in several changes including the addition of a tailcone, sharpening the radar nose profile, thinning the intake lips, and reducing the cross-sectional area of the fuselage below the canopy.  The aircraft used a measure of magnesium and titanium in the fuselage, the latter limited largely to the area around the engines and to fasteners. Titanium was still expensive and not widely used because it was difficult to machine. The construction of the airframe itself was fairly conventional, however, with a semi-monocoque frame and multi-spar wing.

The Arrow's thin wing required aviation's first 4,000 pounds per square inch (28 MPa) hydraulic system to supply enough force while using small actuators and piping. A rudimentary fly-by-wire system was employed, in which the pilot's input was detected by a series of pressure-sensitve transducers in the stick, and their signal was sent to an electronic control servo that operated the valves in the hydraulic system to move the various flight controls. This resulted in a lack of control "feel", since, because the control stick input was "disconnected" from the hydraulic system, the variations in back-pressure from the flight control surfaces that would normally be felt by the pilot could no longer be transmitted back into the stick. To re-create a sense of "feel", the same electronic control box rapidly responded to the hydraulic back-pressure fluctuations and motivated actuators in the stick, making it move; this "artificial feel" was also a first. An advanced stability augmentation system was added as well, recognizing long, "thin" aircraft have a number of coupling modes that can lead to departure from controlled flight if not damped out quickly. Since the center of lift moved with speed, the flight control system also assisted stability and manoeuvre.

In 1954, the RB.106 program was cancelled, necessitating the use of the backup J67 instead. In 1955, this engine was also cancelled, leaving the design with no engine. At this point, the Pratt & Whitney J75 was selected for the initial test-flight models, while the new TR 13 (soon PS-13 Iroquois) engine was developed at Orenda for the production Mk 2s. Ultimately, only the rejected Bristol Olympus engine would actually go into production.  In 1956, the RCAF demanded additional changes, selecting the advanced RCA-Victor Astra fire-control system firing the equally advanced US Navy Sparrow II in place of the MX-1179 and Falcon combination. Avro objected on the grounds that neither of these were even in testing at that point, whereas both the MX-1179 and Falcon were almost ready for production. RCAF planners felt the greatly improved performance of the Sparrow was worth the gamble.  The Astra proved to be problematic as the system ran into a lengthy period of delays, and when the USN cancelled the Sparrow II in 1956, Canadair was quickly brought in to continue the Sparrow program in Canada, although they expressed grave concerns about the project as well.

In June 1957, the Liberals lost the election, and a Progressive Conservative government under John Diefenbaker took power. Diefenbaker, from the Canadian west, had campaigned on a platform of reining in what they claimed was "rampant Liberal spending." Much of this was politically positioned as an east/west divide, with eastern Canada using money from across the country to fund their "industrial welfare" projects. The Arrow was not the only major industrial project targeted during the campaign, others such as the "million dollar monster" postal sorting computer from Ferranti Canada were singled out for additional political scorn. 

In August 1957, the Conservative Diefenbaker government signed the NORAD (North American Air Defense Agreement with the United States, which required the subordination of the RCAF Air Defence Command to American command and control. The USAF was in the process of completely automating their air defense system with the SAGE project, and insisted that the RCAF had to use it as well. One aspect of the SAGE system was the BOMARC nuclear-tipped anti-aircraft missile, which when intercepting bombers over Ontario and Quebec would be exploding over major Canadian cities. This led to studies on basing BOMARCs in Canada in order to push the line further north, away from the cities. 

Storms of Controversy revealed a top secret brief prepared for George Pearkes, then Minister of National Defence, for his July 1958 meeting with U.S. officials. The brief states,

    "The introduction of SAGE in Canada will cost in the neighborhood of $107 million. Further improvements are required in the radar… NORAD has also recommended the introduction of the BOMARC missile… will be a further commitment of $164 million… All these commitments coming at this particular time… will tend to increase our defence budget by as much as 25 to 30%…"

Pearkes was also concerned about funding defence against ballistic missiles. The existence of Sputnik had also raised the spectre of attack from space, and, as the year progressed, word of a "missile gap" began spreading. An American brief of the meeting with Pearkes reported Pearkes "stated that the problem of developing a defence against missiles while at the same time completing and rounding out defence measures against manned bombers posed a serious problem for Canada from the point of view of expense…" In a document written after the cancellation, Pearkes noted, "We did not cancel the CF-105 because there was no bomber threat, but because there was a lesser threat and we got the Bomarc in lieu of more airplanes to look after this".  It is also said Canada could afford the Arrow or Bomarc/SAGE, but not both. 

In a later interview in the 1990s, Pearkes discussed these problems and revealed he was advised by an American official, while en route to Colorado, Canada did not need to build aircraft because the US had plenty and could make them available at any time. Pearkes states this is when he made his decision to cancel the Arrow. His dilemma was how to fill in the defence gap from cancellation of the Arrow to the time when Bomarc bases would be operational. He revealed he struck a deal to allow American training in Goose Bay (Labrador) and Cold Lake (Alberta) in exchange for protection.

By 11 August 1958, Pearkes requested cancellation of the Arrow, but the Cabinet Defence Committee refused. He tabled it again in September, and recommended installation of the Bomarc missile system. The latter was accepted but, again, the CDC refused to cancel the entire Arrow program. The CDC wanted to wait until a major review in 31 March 1959, to better examine world conditions. They did, however, cancel the Sparrow/Astra system in September 1958. Efforts to continue the program through cost-sharing with other countries were then explored.  Worldwide, the Arrow was not the only heavy high-speed interceptor design cancelled at that time; the Republic Aircraft XF-103 and the North American Aviation XF-108 Rapier, designed to have higher performance specifications than the Arrow, were cancelled in the mock-up stage of development at approximately the same time.  Even the Convair F-106 Delta Dart was very nearly terminated. In the UK, the ramifications of the 1957 Defence White Paper led to the cancellation of almost all manned fighter aircraft development.  Canada tried to sell the Arrow aircraft to the U.S. and Britain, but had no takers. The aircraft industry in both countries was and still is considered a national interest and purchasing foreign designs, despite some notable exceptions, was rare.

From 1955 onwards, the UK had shown considerable interest in the Arrow; in April 1956, the UK's Air Council recommended a purchase of 144 Arrows for the RAF to serve alongside the Saunders-Roe SR.177 mixed power interceptor, instead of the "thin-wing" Gloster Javelin then under study. The CF-105 would serve as a stopgap until the UK's F.155 project came to fruition. However with the F.155 due in 1963 and the Arrow not likely to reach the RAF before 1962, there was little point in proceeding, even if the costs of acquisition had not been so high. The infamous 1957 Defence White Paper, prompted by a general lack of funds, foretold an end to manned fighters and completely curtailed any likelihood of a purchase. In January 1959, the UK's final answer was no – with an offer to sell Canada the English Electric P.1 (the aircraft that would become the English Electric Lightning). The French government was prepared to buy some 200 Iroquois engines, but cancelled their order in 1958, being advised by persons unknown that the Arrow was going to be cancelled.

The US Air Force had already developed three aircraft with performance intended to be broadly similar to the Arrow, originally as part of their "1954 Interceptor" project -- the Mcdonnell F-101B Voodoo, Convair F-102 Delta Dagger and Convair F-102B (later Convair F-106 Delta Dart). Additionally, two more advanced interceptors (the Republic XF-103 and North American XF-108) were under development, although both would ultimately be cancelled in the early design and mock-up phases.[13] Nevertheless it appears the USAF was concerned about the effect the cancellation would have on Canada's defence industry. In 1958, Avro Aircraft Limited President and General Manager Fred Smye had elicited a promise from the USAF to "supply, free, the fire control system and missiles and if they would allow the free use of their flight test center at Muroc Lake in California (now known as Edwards AFB)".  Declassified records show Avro management was caught unprepared by the suddenness of the announcement by the government. While executives were aware that the program was in jeopardy, they expected it to continue at least until the March review. It was widely believed that during this lead-up to the review, the first Arrow Mk 2, RL-206, would be prepared for an attempt at both world speed and altitude records.

An attempt was made to provide the completed Arrows to the National Research Council of Canada as high-speed test aircraft. The NRC refused, noting that without sufficient spare parts and maintenance, as well as qualified pilots, the NRC could make no use of them. A similar project initiated by the Royal Aircraft Establishment (Boscombe Down) had resulted in Avro Vice-President (Engineering) Jim Floyd, preparing a transatlantic ferry operation. This proposal, like others from the United States, was never realized.

The cancellation immediately put over 50,000 people out of work at the plants and outside suppliers. Within two months, all aircraft, engines, production tooling and technical data were ordered scrapped. This was partly in response to Royal Canadian Mounted Police fears that a Soviet "mole" had infiltrated Avro, later confirmed to some degree in the Mitrokhin archives. Officially, the reason given for the destruction order from Cabinet and the Chiefs of Staff was to destroy classified and "secret" materials utilized in the Arrow/Iroquois programs.

Along with the five flying test models and production aircraft, blueprints and other materials were destroyed leading to the creation of a piece of Canadian mythology. The rushed destruction incited a number of conspiracy theories alleging American culpability for the Arrow's demise. There remains an enduring but fanciful legend that one of the prototypes was spirited away after the cancellation and remains intact, but continues to be the basis of an urban legend.

Following the Canadian government's cancellation of the Avro Arrow project in 1959, CF-105 Chief Aerodynamicist Jim Chamberlin led a team of 25 engineers to NASA's Space Task Group to become lead engineers, program managers, and heads of engineering in NASA's manned space programs—Projects Mercury, Gemini and Apollo. This team would eventually grow to 32 Avro engineers and technicians, and become emblematic of what many Canadians viewed as a "brain drain" to the US. Many other engineers, including Jim Floyd (whose design studies at Hawker Siddeley (Avro Aircraft's UK parent) on the HSA.1000 SST design studies were ultimately influential in the design of the Concorde) found work abroad in either the UK or the United States.

In 1961, the RCAF obtained 66 CF-101 Voodoo aircraft, one of the American designs the RCAF originally rejected, to serve in the role originally intended for the Avro Arrow. The controversy surrounding this acquisition, and Canada's acquiring nuclear weapons for the Voodoos and Bomarcs eventually contributed to the collapse of the Diefenbaker government in 1963.  Although nearly everything connected to the CF-105 and Orenda Iroquois programs was destroyed, the cockpit and nose gear of RL-206, the first Mk 2 Arrow, and two outer panels of RL-203's wings were saved and are on display at the Canada Aviation Museum in Ottawa, alongside an Iroquois engine.  With specifications comparable to then-current offerings from American and Soviet design bureaus, at the time of its cancellation, the Arrow was considered by one aviation industry observer to be one of the most advanced aircraft in the world.

“ In its planning, design and flight-test programme, this fighter, in almost every way the most advanced of all the fighters of the 1950s, was as impressive, and successful as any aircraft in history.     ”
     
— Bill Gunston, 1981

In 1997, the CBC broadcast the two-part mini-series, The Arrow about the Arrow program, which remains one of the most-watched CBC English-language television programs. The production used a combination of archival film, remote-control flying models and computer animation for the flying and sequences. The flying models were built by Doug Hyslip of Calgary, but a full-scale replica of the Arrow was used in ground scenes. The mini-series' lack of historical accuracy forced the CBC to reclassify it as a "docu-drama", The Arrow and it was subsequently advertised as entertainment rather than literal history.

 Mark 1

Go-ahead on the production was given in 1955, with series production taking place in Assembly Bay One. The rollout of the first CF-105, marked as RL-201, took place 4 October 1957. The company had planned to capitalize on the event, inviting more than 13,000 guests to the formal occasion. Unfortunately, the media and public attention for the Arrow rollout was dwarfed by the launch of Sputnik the same day.  The J75 engine was slightly heavier than the PS-13, and therefore required ballast to be placed in the nose to return the center of gravity to the correct position. In addition, the Astra fire-control system was not ready, and it too, was replaced by ballast. The otherwise unused weapons bay was loaded with test equipment. 

RL-201 first flew on 25 March 1958 with Chief Development Test Pilot S/L Janusz Zurakowski at the controls. Four more J75-powered Mk 1s were delivered in the next 18 months. The test flights went surprisingly well; the aircraft demonstrated excellent handling throughout the flight envelope. Much of this was due to the natural qualities of the delta-wing, but an equal amount can be attributed to the Arrow's stability augmentation system. The aircraft went supersonic on only its third flight and, on the seventh, broke 1,000 miles per hour (1600 km/h) at 50,000 feet, while climbing and still accelerating. A top speed of Mach 1.98 was eventually reached at three quarters throttle, even with these lower-powered engines.  No major problems were encountered during the testing phase, though some minor issues found with the landing gear, flight control system, and the stability augmentation system needed considerable tuning.  The former problem was partly due to the tandem main landing gear (two wheels and tires: one in front of and one behind the gear leg) being very narrow, in order to fit into the wings. The leg shortened in length and rotated as it was stowed. During one landing incident, the chain mechanism (used to shorten the gear) in the Mark 1 gear jammed, resulting in incomplete rotation. In a second incident with Arrow 202 on 11 November 1958, the flight control system commanded elevons full down at landing. The resulting reduction in weight on the gears reduced the effective tire friction, ultimately resulting in brake lockup and subsequent gear collapse. A photograph taken of the incident proved inadvertent flight control activation had caused the accident.  The stability augmentation system was a matter of tuning, tuning and more tuning. Although the CF-105 was not the first aircraft to use such a system – the Arrow used this system for all three axes, other aircraft did not – it was one of the first of its kind, and was consequently problematic. By February 1959, the five aircraft had completed the majority of the company test program and were progressing to the RCAF acceptance trials.

Mk 2

The Mk 2 version was to be fitted with the Iroquois engine. The Astra/Sparrow fire control system had been terminated by the government in September 1958 with all aircraft to employ the Hughes/Falcon combination. At the time of cancellation of the entire program, the first Arrow Mk 2, RL-206, was nearly complete. It was expected to break the world speed record but never had the chance.  Top speed would have been limited by frictional heating but, “The aluminum alloy structure which we favoured was good for speeds greater than a Mach number of 2."

Other designs

Avro Canada had a wide range of Arrow derivatives under development at the time of project cancellation. Frequent mention is made of an Arrow that could have been capable of Mach 3, similar to the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25. This was not the production version, but one of the design studies, and would have been a greatly modified version of the Arrow Mk 2, featuring revised engine inlets and extensive use of stainless steel or titanium to withstand airframe heating.

Avro Arrow replicas

Allan Jackson of Wetaskiwin, Alberta was the original designer of the replica used in the CBC docu-drama. As a hobby, he began building a full-scale replica of the Arrow in 1989. Years later, in 1996, when the producers of the Arrow miniseries learned of Jackson's replica, then about 70% complete, an offer was made to complete the construction if the replica could be used for the production. After use on the mini-series, and several public appearances at air shows, the Jackson replica was donated to the Reynolds-Alberta Museum in Wetaskiwin. While on display in a temporary outdoor collection, the replica was damaged in a wind storm. It is presently being stored after a recent repair, and readied for future display.

The Avro Museum of Calgary began a Replica Arrow Project. Theirs is a 0.6-scale piloted replica aircraft being built for public flight demonstration — construction started in September 2000 following eight years of research. Built of modern-day composite materials under Canadian Recreational Aircraft Legislation, construction is expected to take five years of volunteer labour and cost a half-million dollars in materials and parts.

The Toronto Aerospace Museum, located at the former CFB Downsview features a full-size replica Arrow built by volunteers with assistance from local aerospace firms. With a metal structure, the replica features many authentic-looking components including landing gear constructed by Messier-Dowty (the original Arrow main landing gear sub-contractor). Painted in the colours of Arrow 25203, the Arrow replica was rolled out for a media event on 28 September 2006 and was on public display on 8-9 October 2006 to commemorate the original aircraft's rollout in 1957. It will be permanently displayed beside an Avro Lancaster bomber (currently under restoration) built at the same Malton plant that produced the Arrow. The museum ultimately hopes to acquire an Avro CF-100 and obtain the first Avro VZ-9-AV Avrocar (the company's last aviation project) on a long-term loan from the National Air and Space Museum, in Washington, D.C., to be exhibited alongside the Arrow replica and Avro Lancaster.

I trust that this is not TOO long or boring, anad I will post some start up progress pics shortly!

Brian  Cowboy [C):-)]

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Posted by DaveCS on Saturday, August 9, 2008 5:36 PM

 razordws wrote:
Sounds great Dave, looking forward to seeing what you come back with. Thumbs Up [tup]

Bah.. bad news - first, horrible weather - but that seems to be the way this summer is going. Then.. horrible traffic - I should expect as much, it IS Toronto after all.

I'm going to have to attempt to get back out there in the next few weekends to ensure I get the shots I want of that Anson. Sheesh..

Cheers,
Dave

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Posted by razordws on Saturday, August 9, 2008 4:13 PM
Sounds great Dave, looking forward to seeing what you come back with. Thumbs Up [tup]

Dave

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Posted by DaveCS on Saturday, August 9, 2008 9:04 AM

Wow.. I've been off track for the better part of 2-3 months - sorry I've missed things but thought I'd pop in today to let folks know I'm going to be, hopefully later this afternoon, at the Canadian Warplane Heritage museum and I'll be snapping away with my camera.

 I'll get as many reference photos as possible and report back later :)

Cheers
Dave

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Posted by razordws on Monday, July 14, 2008 12:28 PM
 Poppie wrote:

Oh well, it's only a house!  I've repainted it before, I can do it again.

Poppy

OH boy, do I know that feeling all too well. Banged Head [banghead]Wink [;)]

Good to hear from you Poppie.  Glad to hear things are going well.  I have my Nephew and Niece visiting for six weeks over the summer to go along with my own three kids so I have my hands full but I'm still getting a little bit of bench time after they're in bed. 

Dave

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Posted by Poppie on Monday, July 14, 2008 9:28 AM

Yes, I'm definitely back and trying to get back to my bench. Thanks a million for that call Drew, it was a real 'pick me up'. It was so great to put a voice to a 'typeset'.

Update: The doc's have me squeezing those little 'tension reliever' balls - their similar to baseball sized balloons full of sand or silicone - to strengthen up my hands and fingers. I've got a pretty good grip back but I can't do things like pick up a dime or close my hand completely to make a fist. Things like typing are no problem now though. (But man, has my handwriting changed! - I honestly can't read it - I have to print everything!)

Been looking at those pics.  There is some nice looking work going on. I know this is the 'hot, lazy, summer, dayz, away from home and on the go, but if your anything like me and the humidity is making the wallpaper peel, I find that working at my 'air-conditioned' (read 'fan') bench, sure beats beats dripping away on the front porch.

Who was it wrote that "Only mad dogs and Englishmen, go out in the noon day sun"?

I have all my grandchildren visiting over the summer for two week shifts, so I will not be getting much done on my own models, but I always manage a model or two with each of the kids.  I think the eldest is going to graduate onto the airbrush this year - she says she is ready and wants to learn to 'air paint' so I guess at '9' she knows whats best.  Problem is that sure-as-shootin the 4 year old is going to claim 'equal rights' and want air brush time too. 

Oh well, it's only a house!  I've repainted it before, I can do it again.

Hope you guys have a happy summer and lets stay in touch - any big fish? special trails? camping spots?  Share the experiences guys.  We'll be back at our respective benches in September full time (I'll be on your tails) so enjoy the summer.

You all be gentle with yourselves, hear?

Poppy

 

 

 

"This is a gentle place if I but make it so." Poppie
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Posted by DrewH on Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:28 AM
It hot for us - mid-high 80's. Cools off though, to 50 or so at night. Makes for some decent sleep. It's supposed to cool off to the low-mid 70's during the week with clouds here. It will make working livable.
Take this plastic and model it!
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Posted by brain44 on Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:20 AM

Thanks for the update, Drew!  Are you folks up there sweltering as bad as we are here in SW Washington? Yuck [yuck]

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Posted by DrewH on Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:02 AM

Hey guys!

 I talked to Poppie the other day. All is good on his end. He is still a bit out with the situation that happened with him earlier. Life happens to all of us, but he is fine and has been looking through the posts and says it's great to see some good progress being made.

He thanks everyone for heir well wishes and their concerns. He'll be back as soon as he can. But he did say something about it being after a 40th wedding anniversary! Make a Toast [#toast]

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Posted by razordws on Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:26 AM
 DrewH wrote:
 razordws wrote:

I made a trip down to Vancouver last weekend too (for happier reasons) and visited my favorite shop in North Vancouver (finescale Hobbies) wish I had the allowance you had Dennis but I still made off pretty good.  Could've spent far more than I did but I managed to restrain myself (or was it because my wife took all my plastic away from me and gave me cash only Disapprove [V]).  

What?!!???!? Confused [%-)] And where was my phone call? Sheesh! Man -your wife needs a talking to Dave. Taking away your plastic before going into a hobby shop. Next time take hers away before she goes clothes or shoe shopping Mischief [:-,]  I'll start planning your funeral Laugh [(-D] And dividing up your stashWhistling [:-^]

Dennis, sorry you didn't have enough time for us to hook up. Next time, you have to hit FineScale with Dave and me. It has 6 times the stock of Burnaby Yeah!! [yeah] So that means you'll be needing about $2400 Tongue [:P]

 

Sorry Drew, next time.  This was a quick trip to pick up a niece and nephew from the airport.  I always stay with my brother in North Van who lives just a couple of miinutes from finescale hobbies.  I could easily spend $2400 every time I go in there... hence the drastic measures taken by my more reasonable half.  Er... more reasonable when it comes to models that is, not shoes! Wink [;)] 

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Posted by DrewH on Wednesday, July 9, 2008 9:15 PM
 razordws wrote:

I made a trip down to Vancouver last weekend too (for happier reasons) and visited my favorite shop in North Vancouver (finescale Hobbies) wish I had the allowance you had Dennis but I still made off pretty good.  Could've spent far more than I did but I managed to restrain myself (or was it because my wife took all my plastic away from me and gave me cash only Disapprove [V]).  

What?!!???!? Confused [%-)] And where was my phone call? Sheesh! Man -your wife needs a talking to Dave. Taking away your plastic before going into a hobby shop. Next time take hers away before she goes clothes or shoe shopping Mischief [:-,]  I'll start planning your funeral Laugh [(-D] And dividing up your stashWhistling [:-^]

Dennis, sorry you didn't have enough time for us to hook up. Next time, you have to hit FineScale with Dave and me. It has 6 times the stock of Burnaby Yeah!! [yeah] So that means you'll be needing about $2400 Tongue [:P]

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Posted by Reload on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 10:48 PM

 Bullet21 wrote:
On another note, I recently had to visit the Vancouver BC area I did the tour through Burnaby Hobbies

Ahhhhh..........sounds of home........I was raised in CLoverdale, Surrey, and know this hobby shop well, or at least I did about 13years ago.........man time flies.....

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Posted by jssel on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 8:00 PM

Well, I'm still in however time constraints has slowed progress on the P40 KH*R.  Construction is mostly done and I am about to primer it and double check for flaws (yes, there are some).

 

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Posted by razordws on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 7:46 PM

I was just thinking what had happened to this thread...

Glad you found it Dennis.  I too have a lot on the go this summer with holidays and home renovations scheduled so bench time will be limited.  I also have several builds on the go and in the planning stages before I get to this one so I hope there is still some interest in this thread later in the year.  

I made a trip down to Vancouver last weekend too (for happier reasons) and visited my favorite shop in North Vancouver (finescale Hobbies) wish I had the allowance you had Dennis but I still made off pretty good.  Could've spent far more than I did but I managed to restrain myself (or was it because my wife took all my plastic away from me and gave me cash only Disapprove [V]).  

Dave

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Posted by Bullet21 on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 3:27 PM

It's just TOO quiet now. Makes me wonder what they're up to over there.

Just thought I would throw in a post to keep this thread moving. I can only assume that with the arrival of summer weather we all have lots to do. I know my "Bench Time" gets drasticaly reduced as soon as the lawn care equipment comes out, and I'm playing on 3 softball teams now so spare time is something I won't see until late sept.. I still try to squeeze in some time for building but for the most part I'm just cleaning up the bench, finishing all the almost-done projects.

On another note, I recently had to visit the Vancouver BC area (unfortunatly I was attending a funeral) and I had asked Drew to recommend any good shops in the area. I only had time to hit one of them and I'm glad I did. Drew, I did the tour through Burnaby Hobbies for an hour and spent just shy of $400.00!!! Where I live there are now 3 shops that sell models, but they are VERY limited in selection with absolutely NO reference materials or A/M stuff. I was like a kid in a candy store with 2 months allowance!! I managed to scoop up almost everything I need for a big project I have slated for this winter where I plan to super-detail a German Tiger I (mid prod.) Heavy Tank. I'm going to try my hand at building up a complete interior for it, and kitbash some figures so that the crew will be at thier battle stations inside the tank.

 But 1st I have to clean off the bench. Which includes a 1/72 Mosquito mk.VIII which has only been cleaned & sprayed with primer, a 1/32 Hurricane mk.IIC which is ready for decals, the base for my 1/35 Panther G(Late) tank-base needs to be sealed & painted, and a diorama I'm building consisting of a British 25 pdr. Field Gun complete with a Quad Gun Tractor, ammunition limber, full crew positioned so as the gun is firing, and a Daimler scout car.

Well, better let someone else get a say. Might not have much time for building but we can still stay in touch.

Take care all, Dennis. 

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Posted by Aaronw on Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:39 AM

Ok, I finally got my act together and got some pics.

This is the cockpit of my CH118

 

 

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Posted by brain44 on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:38 PM

I second that!  Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

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Posted by razordws on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:57 PM

Poppie, good to see you back on line Thumbs Up [tup]

Drew, nice work. can't wait to see more. 

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Posted by DrewH on Monday, June 9, 2008 9:47 PM

Well an update - Finally! Party [party]

Well, progress is progress right?  Alot of filling and sanding that really looks like nothing has been done. Well no, nothing has in a few weeks now, so here's where it stands.

Most of the major filling and sanding is done. A spot check with some paint (and to act as a filler for the rescribed portions) is on and is ready for a final light sanding.

Gun packs are on and fit quite well..... surprizingly well.

Now for some reason Italeri has a triangle insert on the wings and they are a bugger to get in flush. With some judicious sanding and filling things seem to have gone well to this point.

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Posted by DrewH on Monday, June 9, 2008 9:43 PM

  Uhhh -

Well, I'm glad you're back poppie ( I think Confused [%-)] Was beginning to wonder what happened to you. Get better friend! You are missed! Angel [angel]

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Watch Out - Poppy's Back!!!!!
Posted by Poppie on Saturday, June 7, 2008 11:54 AM

Massage Fer De Guys

I'ze bak now!

Had a ruf time of it in hozputal. Seems da gaz dey giv me waz tu strong an efec..,/afac.., affac.../,..aw, phooey..., changed my mind an da way I tink.

Hans are reel stif an sor but doin Ok. Taking dat message teraphy wit a reel perty gurl wich makes me hans straten rite out!!  Soon be bak at me wurkbench  an katchin up wit u guys.

In da meentim I been keepin buzy leernin new stuf. Dis Interupter net is grate. Ben studyin Engleesh on it fer a certifikat in da Engleesh Langauge, lik all dem oder new Kanadains do. Just tink, yesterday I culdn't spel 'Jurnalist'', now I are 1!!!

Cant wurk on me models yet so I finished wit dat puter coorse. Now studieyin da W3C Internet Designers Certification Course on da Interupter net. Finished HTMaL & XHTMaL and now Larnin PHP and Java - means drinkin coffee till me fingers shake.  Den I'z gona take 'SQL' jus fer ta mak I  laff.

Gotta a web-site ya all wants dezined, coded, and put up? I's yer fella. Fer free tu! Even got yer  dem  'Flash' gizmos wit movink  piktures an sownds. Corse I cheeted an used dat Mexican adobe hut program, culled 'Dreamweaver' . I trid da underground program culled "40-Winks",  but  it wer a mess.

 Me buddy cros da way wrot his own versun of 'Dreamweaver' fer folks wit a short attenshun spann.  Ifen yer want ta tri da ful program its culled "QwikNap", whitch is wat I uses.

Wurkin on a site of me own, culled  'Poppy's Bipolar-Support Place'. (Betcher didnt kno I was bipolar did yer - jus com outer da closet - dark in der) Ovar 100 pages coded so-fer - writ and code writ and code, write and code. Goin tu b anoder tree - fur  months, den I puts er up!

How'z all you'se guyze doin on yer planes? I hope yer hafent't ben messin round while I've ben gon and not doin nuttin.

My ‘Spitfire' is callin fer me ta wurk on her, but I'se  afeered of makin a big mistak and messin er up wit deez hans, so I'm gonna wate a bit more four I starts wurk again on her.

Jus drop me a line, an  Pleez,  uze gud Engleesh tho ur i won't reca.., / resp.., /resple..., repli..., ah shit,..........'writ bak'.

'Poppy'

PS. Sum of youse guys hav bin mispillin my name an callin me 'Poopy'. Its Ok tho, cuz it's closer ta da trut den some of da oder names people calls me.

Poopy

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Posted by brain44 on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 9:32 AM

Hey, Poppie!

Things are kninda quiet around here ...........everyone must be really busy building.....Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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Posted by Reload on Friday, May 23, 2008 10:11 PM

Beautiful lines on a gem of an aircraft!! Great build, very nicley done!

Brent

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Posted by DrewH on Friday, May 23, 2008 9:49 AM

Well, I hope this will be some inspiration for you all. I finished a 1/32 Sea Fury (Fisher kit, all resin) and thought I'd share it with you.

I did a full build report here if your so inclined.

Cheers

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Posted by DrewH on Friday, May 23, 2008 9:47 AM
Great Start Alain Thumbs Up [tup] You'll have it together in no time.
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Posted by chester101 on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:14 PM
Here's my progress so far, the cockpit is finished and ready to be assembled. The wings and landing gear are also ready. Sorry about the mess on my work bench, I don't have very much space to work.



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Posted by DrewH on Monday, May 19, 2008 9:42 PM

Thanks Sean Smile [:)] As for the mountain biking - I can disapear for days after a few minute ride out of my back yard Whistling [:-^] There's tonnes of places to go. It's a nice place with lots of....Who am I, a travel agent Dunce [D)] Get up here! Laugh [(-D]

As for the museum, it's my turn. My club takes turns building for them each year, and I usually give up one or two. They help us out and we help them. It's a win/win.

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Posted by Summit on Monday, May 19, 2008 9:08 PM

Drew - Nice progress, And I am impressed that you build for the Museum's. Thats got to be a Great Feeling of Satisfaction knowing that so many people will enjoy your Modeling Skills.  I googled the Museum and it is only 385 miles away. Sounds like a nice Get~away trip. Any good Mtn Biking trails up in that area ? Anyway I am  Glad to be back home and able to Participate on the Build again.

Cheers 

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Posted by DrewH on Monday, May 19, 2008 3:01 PM

Well, it's about time I joined this party! Party [party] This is Italeri's 1/48 Boston III and will be finished as a night intruder. The markings are from a show in Edmonton two years ago. After it is done and pics taken, the model is going to the Langley Heritage avaition museum for the 100th year of powered flight in Canada.

It will be almost OOB except for the belly gun pack and wheels from MDC. I didn't take interior pics as there isn't much to show. It was a coat of green and some dry brushing. Once finished, you won't be able to see into the cockpit and bomber nose anyway. Most of the nasty seams are filled and work is moving onto the engines and nacells.

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Posted by Reload on Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:06 PM

It definatley has been a while since I have been in a mill, but even then it could be a tricky plalce to be.....LOL. I started out on the weekend cleanup crew....just loved cleaning out that beehive........Sigh [sigh] I than moved inside and started on the oh good grief......hard to remember the name......where all the belts fed in to on the way to the planers....3 way?? I then worked the 2-way for a bit, and then ended up in the J bar working the sorter. Took a while to get used to that I tell ya!! I sure miss the fishing and the hunting. 1st class bear and moose right in the back yard.

I am still in the group build, but as above, I have 2 planes to finish first. I am also assistant coach for my girl's softball team and that is keeping me busy durring the week. 

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