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Battle of Britain GB 2008 - 21 June to 31 Oct 08

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  • From: League City, Texas
Posted by sfcmac on Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:22 PM
Sign - Oops [#oops] Sorry, wont tell about the wing, but would that not make Frank's version an F minus ? I thought only purplefreakastan used thos in the war as trainers. Oh well. Like the book seems like I have seen the cover some where around here?Whistling [:-^]
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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:47 PM
 phoenix7187 wrote:

sfcmac, shhhhhhhhhh quiet, don't tell frank that, I slipped a G-10 wing in it's place, when he asked about it I'll just tell him it's suppose to be like thatWink [;)].

Grumpy [|(]

Thanks a lot...LOL!

Here I thought I had a sooper-dooper rare version of the 109. Sigh [sigh]

Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

I have a Trimaster TA-152C-0 that looks to be quite the project.  I bought it sight unseen from a guy and it turned out to be a mixed blessing.  Thought I was buying that kit plus a couple of extras, but in reality it is the kit minus the Dragon donor kit.  But, inside the box I found two sets of Moskit exhausts (one for a late 109 and the other for a Spitfire) a resin wood tail for the Tamiya FW-190D-9, resin FW-190D-15 conversion kit, and a few other pieces.  All in all, not bad!  Just gotta find a reasonably priced Dragon Dora Donor kit and I'm in business. Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by phoenix7187 on Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:56 PM

Frank does it come with the Ta-152 tail? If not then you need a dragon D-12 or Ta-152 kit. The 152-C would of had the 152H type tail rather then the standered steel D-9 tail. I think the D-15 is a D-12/13 with a Db605 engine.

 

Stan
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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:33 PM

Stan,

I should clarify- the butchered fuselage pieces are in the box, from the Dragon TA-152H with the correct tail.  I can make those work, and the wing (if you can call those awful pieces of styrene that!) are there as well.  I have a bunch of spare parts from the Tamiya D-9, including stabs and elevators.  The Tammy cockpit looks like it will fit with a little finesse.  Looking at the project more closely, I think I could get it built with what I have on hand.  Every time I think about doing it, I look at the awful wing and quietly put it back into the box.

I think you're right on the D-15.  It looks very similar to the 152C-0 with the left side intake and modified cowl.  Also has the 152H tail, and the wide paddle blades.  There are 4 white metal bits in the box, but no instructions came with it so I don't really know what they are for.  Two of them look like boxes for boxing in the shell ejections ports, and the other two are small oval pieces with a curve in them. Confused [%-)]

Frank 

 

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Posted by luftwaffle on Monday, June 30, 2008 10:20 AM

Thanks for the comments guys....

Stan- Looking good, you're moving right along.

Aaron- Just a trick of the light on the panel lines, I'm leaving them raised, I re-scribed panel lines once and didn't enjoy it all.  With the right techniques I think you can make raised panel lines look nearly as good as recessed ones.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it it... Cool [8D]

aka Mike, The Mikester My Website

"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."   -Winston Churchill

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Posted by KJ200 on Monday, June 30, 2008 1:35 PM

Mike, couldn't agree more on rescribing raised panel lines.

I've sanded most of them off the Caudron I'm working on at the moment, and will shade them in with masking tape and Tamiya Smoke, far less stressful!

I'll probably do the same with the Airfix Huricane, I'm nothing if not lazy!

Aaron, hope you beat those nacelles into submission soon, not literally of course!Wink [;)]

Karl

 

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Posted by soulcrusher on Monday, June 30, 2008 5:10 PM

Hey Mike and Stan I remember reading an article along time ago about adding panel lines with a pencil. I always wanted to try it. It look very convincing to me. Just another option that would be far less stressfull than rescribing.

                                                                          Soulcrusher

 

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, June 30, 2008 5:24 PM
 soulcrusher wrote:

Hey Mike and Stan I remember reading an article along time ago about adding panel lines with a pencil. I always wanted to try it. It look very convincing to me. Just another option that would be far less stressfull than rescribing.

                                                                          Soulcrusher

Crush- It's a pretty decent technique for raised panel lines, as you just highlight them. I wouldn't be into trying it freehand, though. And since my models are all 1/72, I just use paint shading.
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Posted by soulcrusher on Monday, June 30, 2008 10:56 PM

Just curios there Bondman have you ever tried it? If you have can you post some pics I would love to see how it came out. I am very interested in trying it out.

                                                                                       Soulcrusher

 

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Posted by darson on Tuesday, July 1, 2008 1:26 AM

Hi guys, geez I slip away for a couple of days and bang there's more progress than you poke a stick at, great work all.

Progress wise for me the 110 is coming along slowly but surely but on the weekend I managed to pickup four resin sets from Quickboost which I'll definitely be adding.  The Quickboost stuff is cheap and easy to use and should spark up an already great kit.

Cheers

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Posted by KJ200 on Tuesday, July 1, 2008 4:10 PM

Darren, I know what you mean about everybody else's progress.Shock [:O] See how shocked I look!

I'm still trying to finish up small Gallic odities and Japanese Hellcat fodder! Not alot of progress on either this week due to being on an ITIL SAM course.

I am going to follow Dave's example and resurrect an incomplete build from a previous BoB GB, namely my Hasa 1/72 He111P. It's languished in the cupboard for the last 2 years, with a great set of AIMS decals.

Not sure if I'll do this before or after the Hurricane, who knows!

Karl

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Posted by darson on Tuesday, July 1, 2008 11:56 PM
Karl I know the feeling, I've still got my Hurricane from the last GB sitting forlornly in a box waiting for the Ultracast resin doo-dads to be added.
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Posted by mark983 on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 5:12 AM

Just a quick question guys as i'm waiting for my glue to dry....is everyone using markings for units that served in the BOB or are we just building the aircraft that saw action....just wonderin...

Mark

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Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 10:30 AM

Mark, should be from units that servers in the BoB.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Posted by KINGTHAD on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 11:13 AM

Frank- decals are on the way. I also just opened up the BF110 royal kit, my head hurts just looking at all the parts.

thad

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Posted by mark983 on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 2:35 PM

Karl...That's what I thought...doing more research to see what Stuka unit I want to portray.

 

Mark

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 4:42 PM
 KINGTHAD wrote:

Frank- decals are on the way.

Thanks Thad, YOUDAMAN!!!

Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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Posted by darson on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 7:39 PM

Hiya Mark, yes Karl is spot on as you guessed we need markings for BoB aircraft.

Cheers

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 9:48 PM

I managed to finish up the cockpit on my 109 tonight, here it is:

Mostly OOB, with home-made seatbelts/hardware, foot restraining straps on the rudder pedals, added detail to the gunsight including reflector plate glass, and painted instruments with epoxy lenses.  I also glued the fuselage halves together last night, and plan to attack that tonight.  If all goes well, I'll be able to install the office and glue on the wing tonight. Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by sfcmac on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 9:58 PM

Wowzers! that looks good enough to eat. Frank. Now sing with me( to the tune of <"I've Been Working On the Railroad") I've been masking on my dornier...... all the live long day, and night.Headphones [{(-_-)}]

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 10:37 PM
 sfcmac wrote:

Wowzers! that looks good enough to eat. Frank. Now sing with me( to the tune of <"I've Been Working On the Railroad") I've been masking on my dornier...... all the live long day, and night.Headphones [{(-_-)}]

LOL!  I better keep cracking on the 109, so that you have an escort when we head on over into RAF territory! Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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Posted by razordws on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 10:51 PM

Frank, looks like you've been up to your usual bag of tricks.  Coming along nicely. Thumbs Up [tup]

Aaron, you crack me up.  I imagine it is going to take you some time to mask that sucker so I'll sing along too if you like and if it'll help.  Headphones [{(-_-)}]

Dave

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 10:58 PM

Very nice work on the 'pit there, Frank! If that's any indication of what lay ahead, we're all in for a real treat! Thumbs Up [tup]

OK all you BoB gurus out there, can any of you tell me whether or not any of the following units participated? These are the only markings I have for an E-3.....

2.Staffel - 7./JG77 - 8./JG2 - 9./JG54 - III/JG54 - 1./JG51 - 4./JG54 

 

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 11:11 PM

Dave, Mike- Thanks guys, much appreciated! Approve [^]

Mike- I'm no BoB guru, but according to my references the only one of the ones you listed that was available for the BoB was 1./JG51.  Can anyone else verify this? Confused [%-)]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 11:13 PM
Thanks much buddy! Thumbs Up [tup] One is all I need. Wink [;)]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by razordws on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 11:21 PM

Mike, I picked up Jon Lake's very nice BoB book at the local librairies used book sale for $10.00 earlier this summer (score!).  According to this source all of the above mentioned Geschwader participated and each were broken down into three Gruppen at this point designated by roman numerals.  So III/JG54 indicates the third Gruppen of Jagdgeschwader 54.  The Gruppen were further broken down into 3 Staffel of 12 aircraft each, therefore each geschwader had nine staffel indicated by 9./JG54 meaning the ninth staffel of JG54.  So all of the units you have mentioned existed at the battle of Britain. 

Oh ya, I also picked up Adolf Galland's book 'The First and the Last' at the same book store.  It was a happy day! Big Smile [:D]

Dave

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Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 11:21 PM
Glad to help!  I just checked two other reference books I have on the subject, and they showed the same units.  Looks like you're in business! Thumbs Up [tup]

Frank 

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 11:27 PM
Dave, Frank, thanks much fellas (nice score on the book, Dave!)! You guys ROCK!! Now I just have to decide which one I'm going to build! LOL! Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by sfcmac on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 11:36 PM

Ok since everyone is all set we can all join in,

 I've been maskin on my dornier, all the live long day! ( everybody now)

...... I'm still masking on my dornier just to pass the time away.....

Can't you hear the bombs a falling,

RAF is up early this morn.....

Can't you hear the Captain shouting...

Look out blow your horn!

Approve [^]

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Posted by razordws on Thursday, July 3, 2008 12:08 AM
Aaron, you wre warned that all that masking would drive ya around the bend. Laugh [(-D]

Dave

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