#6 Polish Artillery Tractor C7P-WIP 4/18--More Weathering Pics Page 12

Thanks, Indy, Bill, and of course the conscience/palooka muse of all "artistic" endeavors, Edmund.  Adam, I totally agree that the nudge, while sometimes uncomfortable, is the best move when you see something that you KNOW can be better.

Last night, I put in the seats, and painted up, or started to paint, some wonderful rifles I got in a Gen 2 DML figure set, they really are something, and I will be hitting you guys up for some sling advice, I have PE slings from the kit, maybe good patterns, and some lead foil and dental foil to choose from, but I need some toot action.

On to the pics:

Inside:

Lid on

And I have the option of leaving this open, I think I will

Question for the well rounded, should I wash the seats and the interior now that they are joined, just to tie them in, and if so, with what?

THanks for following this strange build

Bill

EDIT!  These pictures are pretty rushed, with harsh lighting, and don't really show the interior. I will snap some more tomorrow from a higher angle with better light, sorry about that.

Bill

Sorry Buddy, you're going to have to re-do the rest of NOW !       Ok,  so the seat-backs do look better don't they?       Guys what did we learn here?  Ed bravely witheld giving an 'ata-boy' when it was time to give a friend a little nudge to get him to live up to his potential. It's not often easy to do that. We often see room for improvement in projects that we didn't even think to start in the 1st place, but we all know it's different when immersed in the myriad of detail in any project.    Ok now I gotta go point out to Edmund all his flaws again....wish me luck,

Nice work on the redo Bill.

Hey Bill!

Much better look my friend and the fact that there are tonal differences between the seat backs makes it even better.  Well done Sir!

Bill, I think that the seats look fine--they're enough to give any modeler a "woody"! ....

Well, that's now 4 days this week I got a chance to work on this, uh, bad boy(?)

Thanks to Edmunds...encouragement (Just kiding, man, I appreciate the critical eye, I don't post here for attaboys, I always welcome comments, and the critical ones are how I learn) I stripped the seats down, added some grain detail with a razor saw, re painted with some Vallejo Iraqui sand, then hit is with some burnt umber oil paint, this time not the water soluble type, let it sit out for 20 minutes on some paper to absorb the oils, then lightly brushed it on the seat backs, grinding it into the newly made wood grain.

Again I waited 10 minutes, then I came back and LIGHTLY tried to take some paint off but leave it in the grain.  The first try I used mineral spirits, but that took it all off, so I went back and re applied it, taking it off by using a damp, soft brush (the same one I use for oil dot fading) and gently stroked it along the grain pattern.  Please take acriticval look, did I leave TOO much on?

Well, other than some rifles, the interior is ready to be called finished.  I still have several pages of directions to follow, so the build is going to last a while longer.

Take a look, please, and thanks for taking the time to follow and weigh in!

What do you think?

THanks, Bill

Hey Bill nice to see you consistently hitting the bench you have been working so hard lately it's important you get some hobby time.  yes I am your Forum wife I admit it. 

Okay I going to be honest I don't like the wood effect here and I think you can do better. Bear with me I think I have a simple solution for you. Waterboard the chairs in windex and get rid of that plastic toy like finish and then use your razor say to put in some wood grain or use a hot needle tip in your wood burner or just a heated hat pin held with teasers.  Lot's of different ways to skin that cat. Now I know you have some light colored Vallejo's like Light sand or something light tan.  Then paint with Burnt Umber oils and then remove most of it with with Mineral spirits brushed along the granin and I think you will be much happier.  You could also use Flat Each Vallejo and deck tan dry brushing on the wood grain to pop it.

Instrument Panel looks great just build up the future with light coats dropped in on a tip of a needle.

Call me if you want o run through the steps or yell at me!

Looking good Bill! If you want to introduce a little more grain pattern, try dry brushing some of the tan or wood color very lightly over the current dark color and see where that gets you. If you get it on too heavy, you can counter dry brush the darker color until you get the look you want.

Thanks, Bill, Wayne, Edmund, and our world traveller, Karl!  I appreciate the feedback.

After pondering how to do the seat backs (review, I tried to hairspray chip them, but the selected undercoat, a vallejo light tan, was too close to the interior gray overcoat--the result, far from the spectacular high contrast chipping, there WAS no result.)

Solution:  fix it somehow.  I settled on MM enamel wood brown, followed by some Windsor and Newton water soluble oil paint raw umber to darken it up. I had trouble getting grain, but I think I like it.

Results:

I still need to do some touch up, but I think it's what I was looking for.  AS ALWAYS, please weigh in either way.

Oh, I almost forgot, I tackeled the instument panel, man, not much detail, I think I wil put some (gasp) future on the dials or something.

Well, how do you like the seat solution???

Thanks,

Bill

Nice work so far, Bill!

Looking great Bill.  I agree with Wayne about method to simulate wood and another method is to paint the wood areas a pale or light sand Vallejo and then paint the area with Burnt Umber oils and then wait 20 minutes and then use mineral spirits on a brush to remove the majority of the pain in the direction of the "Wood grain".  Th end product looks great.

Tank makes the rife set you were asking about last night for the empty rifle racks.

I'd say the interior looks good with the filter Bill! As for the seat backs, giving them a wash to add some color depth and variation would probably be your best bet to generate some contrast. It's highly unlikely they would've been left as raw lumber and instead would've probably received some kind of lacquer or varnish treatment in order to keep them from cracking/splintering over time...especially given their semi-exposed condition. Two sessions in two days...you're on a roll!

Well, two sessions in two days, that's a personal best for the years, so far.

Tonight, i did a Mig filter for white, followed by a filter for german gray, followed by a pinwash using Mig dark wash, followed by some detail painting, mainly the various control sticks and shifters, and the leather seat cushions.  I plan to drybrush the seats with some darker and lighter tones to depict wear.

Here are the shots, it really seemed to tone down the chipping, does it look too grungy?

And a shot of a seat, with a question.  I painted the seat backs a tan to simulate wood, then "chipped" it with the hair spray method.  MY problem is the tan is so close to the Panzer interior, there is no contrast.  I need to visibly beat up these seatbacks, does anyone have any ideas?  Maybe WBill's tool treatment?

Here's a seat:

Thanks for looking, guys, I appreciate the advice and support I get here.

More to come,

Bill

Thanks,  Bill, Wingnut, and Indy!  Sorry about the soft hands, the last couple months have been at my desk, not my workbench.

Today, I tried my HANDS at hairspray chipping.  I took some Mr Surfacer 1000 and primed the interior several weeks ago, then I took some MMgunmetal and sprayed the interior surfaces, and highlighted some transmission structures with aluminum, and some high wear areas drybrushed with steel.  Then I coated it with some hairspray, but it was late, so I let it sit.  Out of caution, I recoated it with hairspray today, and discovered that more is not always better, I got some cracking on the areas where there was too much hairspray.

Anyway, this is a captured vehicle, so I figured the Germans would have sprayed the interior as well as the exterior, I chose MM Panzer buff interior.  I let it sit for 1 hour, and went at it with various tools, a stiff brush, my favortie was a pointy file, I used it to make random scratches and to start teh chipping for the brush to attack the paint.

It "got away" from me in a couple places, but all in all I'm pretty happy and think I can refine the trechnique, not bad for a first attempt. 

On to the pictures, please let me know what you think!

And finally, an idea of how it will look with the roof on:

Sorry about the slow updates, it's tough to get to the bench, and even harder to get better with such little practice.

Thanks for looking and weighing in,

Bill 

Looking good Bill! Have to agree with Edmund about the hand model question...way too "clean" to be a real modeler's hands!

OMG...someone is building one of these AGAIN

Looks good (now that I found this thread

~OK<OK I'm here ^&^ I'm ROFLing! Stop that !

~Really Bill, could you please find somthing more unusual to model? Please. LOL Very facinating my friend. ^&^ Fantasic build-work going on here. sorry I missed the start..It's down to not being able to deal with the new Forum this last week*(I'm liking it better by now, especially since my thread started functioning again and I could add some new post!!) but enough aout me(Man! These self-absorbed, know-it-all-artist types!!)   Looking good Buddy...I'll be back to see more.....                    Indy Out

Hey Bill

"Tonight I started priming the beast, seeing how much people around here love monochrome, well, here are some pictures"

You wouldn't be talking about me wouldcha? 

Bill I have to ask do you use a hand model for your WIP pictures because that is one nice looking hand!

Seriously though nice progress this is going to look cool with paint on!

Good to see you back on the bench Sir!

Tonight I started priming the beast, seeing how much people around here love monochrome, well, here are some pictures:

CHair close up

The front piece was a clear pice of plastic, the idea is you mask off the windows, paint the "metal", then the windows are clear.  THe problem was, the windows were so scratched up, and the goofy ginormous windshield wipers were about 1/16 scale.  Solution:  DREMEL, DREMEL, DREMEL.

I just hogged out the windows, and I'll paint it up and I will use some clear plastic packaging to replace them.  Here's a shot, but I can see I have some more clean up to do:

And lastly, a couple "assembled" shots, to show what it is going to look like some day

This weekend, I will do my best Ed impression:  a base coat, some hair spray, some more paint, some chipping, we shall see!

THanks for looking,

Bill

Citadelgrad87

Turning to the interior, I plan to do some chipping like Edmund did on his Sahriana exterior, anyone have any idea what color the crew compartment and transmission areas would be?  I think a general idea of Polish production, German captured and painted Grey is going to have to suffice, all examples are lost, no color photos that i can find anywhere.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks

Bill 

It seems the interior was painted the same colour as the exterior (they probably just walked through the thing with the paint gun)

Brett

LOL!  Will do!  We should get Adam's numbr and we can three way conference and talk about someone else!!  I have ran out of adjectives for hisKubelwagen!

Schnobs wrote:

Sorry Bill we talk all the time and I forget to post on your WIP because I think I did because I am providing verbal feedback and gossip about Indy!  :)  Just teasing Adam because I know you are reading. The PE replacement screen was well worth the effort I know you put in to find it.  It really sets off the front of the vehicle. Keep it coming Bill!

LOL, in my best Austin Powers, that's no FRONT, that's a REAR, man!

The grill faces the back, but thanks, Edmund.  Call me later, I have some new dirt on Indy.

Bill 

Sorry Bill we talk all the time and I forget to post on your WIP because I think I did because I am providing verbal feedback and gossip about Indy!  :)  Just teasing Adam because I know you are reading.

The PE replacement screen was well worth the effort I know you put in to find it.  It really sets off the front of the vehicle.

Keep it coming Bill! 

Thanks detailfreak, I have sent an email and PM to beav, and will wait for a response.

Bill

Thanks dioramator, WBill, and detailfreak, glad to have you along for the ride.

Turning to the interior, I plan to do some chipping like Edmund did on his Sahriana exterior, anyone have any idea what color the crew compartment and transmission areas would be?  I think a general idea of Polish production, German captured and painted Grey is going to have to suffice, all examples are lost, no color photos that i can find anywhere.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks

Bill