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Build Complete: #11 Tamiya Chevy 30 CWT LRDG Truck (Scorpion Conversion) WIP

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Posted by *INDY on Friday, January 1, 2010 10:48 PM

An excellent story, executed excellently I should say. Thing is... to me....... it all makes plenty of sense. It doesn't even have to make perfect sense to be a good Dio...plenty would be enough. I know also  when I take a look at a Dio I want to see alot of little detail items, if they make sense. Sure it's a jumble back there, and it would be tuff to climb around it all, let alone fight from there,

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww317/schnobs20/AFV%20WIPS2/11TamiyaChevy30CWTLRDGTruck074.jpg

But that's the sort of jumble these guys had to fight in, so no sense having it detail-deprived to look more combat-ready, since it all looks so cool anyways .  I hadn't heard of the" Verlinden trap" though , I gather from your post what it is, Bill. What are the origins of that phrase exactly? Is that where some noobie thinks he has to use every chunk of resin they send him? Seems to me every box I open from near any manufacturer gives me something for the spares box!

 

"Well...you gunna pull them pistols, or just whistle Dixie?"

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, January 1, 2010 4:45 PM

Sounds like a good story Edmund, can't wait to see it come to life! Wink

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Posted by Schnobs on Friday, January 1, 2010 3:59 PM

Dang you Sir and your infernal logic!  Wink

You are correct they are literally seconds away from noticing they entered a previously occupied Oasis.  The Driver and Lewis gunner are simply on point following stand procedure entering into a potentially high traffic area and see nothing directly in front of the vehicle because there view will be blocked by a rocky outcropping or Palm trees.  The men in the back have just noticed something amiss.  I hope that brings more "light" to the final dio and what picture I am trying to paint. Your opinions and input random or otherwise are always welcome Bill!

 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, January 1, 2010 3:32 PM

Fair enough Edmund in terms of the fact these were heavily loaded and pics support that, but one last thought to throw into the mix...since youv'e got the figures posed in an "action" sequence (including the guy on the running board manning the Lewis gun), perhaps you should consider having some of the stowage "tossed overboard" on the base to add to the sense of action/urgency then? The overall impression that I've got from the figure poses and such is that these guys are literally seconds away from an engagement and aren't just in transit with the full gear you see in some of your pics. Not trying to force you into anything of course, just providing some random thought observations. Wink

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Posted by Schnobs on Friday, January 1, 2010 2:20 PM

Thanks Bill as always I appreciate your insightful and well thought out comments.  In this case i am going to respectfully disagree and I am well armed with facts.  Wink

First of all my research and pictorial evidence indicates that these vehicles were heavily loaded out and right before engagement and often during equipment was dumped overboard in order to prepare for the engagement and that is why the fuel drum is in the rear to facilitate that action. Drop the tailgate shove and your in business.  There are records that the Bofor equipped vehicles were so cramped from the gun and stowage that the crew removed the actual Bofor from the vehicle.

Her is a pic of a Scorpion in transit and you can see how the load would interfere with full traverse of the weapon.

Here is a pic of a Scorpion with minimal to no stowage

Your right about the Bren gun though I plan to add a sling and wrap it around one of the wood stake sides or a rope tying the boxes together.

Final argument the fuel drum and Bren gun just look bitchin!  Big Smile

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, January 1, 2010 12:53 PM

Edmund,

I would recommend removing the large fuel drum even though, as an individual piece it looks great. The reason for removing it is the fact that it will severely limit/restrict the use of the Breda. That gun should be able to move at least in a full 180 degree arc uninhibited IMHO for it to be really effective as a weapon. As it stands right now, it's got a very limited traverse available to it. You may also need to rethink the two crates and the Bren gun...remember that the arrangement needs to make sense and you don't want to fall into the infamous "Verlinden trap" of having a bunch of stuff added just for the visual appeal but which defies logic and or the laws of physics! Wink  

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Posted by Schnobs on Friday, January 1, 2010 2:09 AM

Rob:  Thanks Rob I really like how this has turned out so far as well.  I am glad you like the link glad to help with anything that will help you show your beautiful work to the world!

Marc:  I have missed you Marc glad you are on board and Happy New Year to you and everyone!

Dave:  Thanks again for the support Dave and get those guys done I want to see your Kitty completed!

Bill:  Thanks Bill that is high praise coming from you!

Bill:  No Worries Bill and thanks for looking!

Manny:  There you are man I was hoping you were following this and thanks for the compliment!

Stowage update:

I finished most of everything except for the helmets, water bottles, the knives, and remounting the Enfields on the front cab rifle mounts.  I set up a mock up of the stowage and I like this orientation.  What do you guys think?

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Posted by M1Carbine on Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:34 PM

LMAO....Manny that was great

 

Bob

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:11 PM

*INDY

 Schnobs:

 I think the patrol raided a Gap Store. Big Smile

 

Yeah, or maybe a Banana Republic !    Anyways I'm thinkin the drivers suposed to be wearing one a these :

http://www.bexleymedalsandmilitaria.co.uk/USERIMAGES/P1013965.JPG

Another bit of old 1st World War gear they just loved to keep wearing.         Fight, Die, look good doing it!

 

LOL..."fight, die and look good doing it"...

This is top-shelf work...very nice effort on the Tamiya re-pop...bravo...

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Posted by I make stuff on Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:08 PM

AHK!

Sorry, guys, I'm operating at less than full capacity this week.  Indy, as you know, I talk to Ed a lot.  I knew about them (that shall not be mentioned) and we talked about some cool possible ways to do that(that is still not to be mentioned).  I got the idea that the uses would be a cool surprise (not to be mentioned), but I did not appreciate that THAT should not be mentioned.

Adam, Ed, my sincere apple polly logies if I floated one in the punch bowl.  That was not my intention.

Adam, we still need to make contact, I have had a faily hectic couple of weeks, but anticipate slower work after the New Year.

Again, Sorry,

Bill   

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:07 PM

Stowage is looking good Edmund! Lighting and working with manual camera settings are always the twin pillars for getting good detail photos, no question about it! Wink

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Posted by hughes2682 on Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:12 AM

Indy,

Thank you for the schooling on the SMLE and Lee-Enfield.  This will be another one of the bits of info where my wife will ask "Where do you get this stuff?".  She is proud of her geek.Stick out tongue

Ed,

Keep 'em coming.

Cheers and Happy New Year

Dave

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Posted by wing_nut on Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:56 AM

I've been away for a while. Not far though... just over in the GB section.  Got some catching up to do as I can clearly see in the progress here.  Fine progress I should say.  The stowage looks great.

Marc  

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Posted by scratchmod on Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:22 AM

Wayne you crack me up buddy.

Ed that looks awesome dude, this has got to be the best you've built to date. I love all the attention to detail that you put into this, and all your models. Thank for the link on the lighting, I have to redo my photo set up now. Keep those up dates coming, I enjoy reading them as much as hearing from you on the phone.

Rob

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Posted by Schnobs on Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:30 AM

LOL!  I didn't tell them Bill did in an earlier post today.  He betrayed my confidence!!  Just teasing no worries. 

Dave:  I had to purchase Dragon's Allied Assault Monte Cassino 1944 kit to get the correct rifles and Bren MG.

The Turban heads included are the best plastic heads I have yet seen.

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Posted by *INDY on Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:15 AM

!ED! You told them about the Ghurka knives! I thought it was gunna be a suprise ConfusedOh well, no big.

~Dave~ That's a NO. The SMLE rifle is the later #4 rifle and although it did exist at the time was not sent to the N. African theatre.  Edmund has gone to legnths to include the correct Mk.III Lee-Enfield originally fielded in 1889 and carried throughout WWI and was still very servicable over 50 years later and carried by Commonwealth troops worldwide. By time the Brits hit the Euro-continent, they we're issued the SMLE in huge numbers. Yes, I admit I've researched this a bit Stick out tongue Happy New Year!

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Posted by Schnobs on Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:02 AM

Thanks Wayne, Dave and Eric for your support and here is your reward.

I read this great article on MilMod by Mark Bannerman on how to improve your digital photos and here you guys go:

http://www.militarymodelling.com/news/article.asp?a=5881

I made some of the change s he recommended and look at this with a manual setting no less!

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Posted by hughes2682 on Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:44 AM

Mmmmmm, stowageStick out tongue.  Nicely done rifles.  Am I correct in guessing SMLE's?  I'm still learning British equipment.

Cheers

Dave

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:21 PM

I like the wear on the fuel drums.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Schnobs on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:27 PM

Jim:  AgentG and I were talking about you over the Christmas vacation and he stated that you are a great young man which confirms what I have suspected for quite sometime!  Thanks you as always for your kind comments and enthusiasm.

Adam:  Thanks for the Pic Indy that is going into the reference pic vault!  I will have to figure out what it would look like before over sixty years of aging. Wink

Bill: Thanks Bill and yes various knives will be present I am still working out the effects.  I have to do something since Indy took away my Sten Gun!!  Sad

Chuck:  That would be too cool!  I really liked the look without the cargo bed on it.  Glad you like Chuck!

Wayne:  Lot and lot's of styrene!!

Bob:  Thanks Bob!

I felt guilty not posting a response to you guys I was trying to wait until I was finished painting and weathering the stowage so here is where I am at which is about 1\2 way through painting stowage.  The larger piece is a one piece Resicast piece that I had picked up for my Sherman kit and they always give you enough for two vehicles.

I tried to approach each piece as it''s own entity  The Hair spray method was used for the chipping effect on the fuel drum and flimsy cans.

Enjoy!

 

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Posted by M1Carbine on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:46 PM

Ed, Like Citadelgrad said, you have to add some kukris. Looking awsome brother

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Posted by Chuck Most on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:07 PM

I've long wanted to try doing one of these in 1:25 scale using the Revell '41 Chevy pickup as a base- your build is great inspiration!

I'd really like to apologize now for anything I may say or do later that offends you. Thank you.

 

 

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Posted by I make stuff on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 12:16 PM

Looks great, Edmund, but we had talked about a place to mount the Kukri/Ghurka knives, is that later or a change of plans>?

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Posted by *INDY on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:34 AM

Schnobs

 I think the patrol raided a Gap Store. Big Smile

Yeah, or maybe a Banana Republic !    Anyways I'm thinkin the drivers suposed to be wearing one a these :

Another bit of old 1st World War gear they just loved to keep wearing.         Fight, Die, look good doing it!

 

"Well...you gunna pull them pistols, or just whistle Dixie?"

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Posted by model maniac 96 on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 12:44 PM

WOW.....WOW......WOW...WOW, That is awesome! I really like those figures there, and stowage too? you are definitely going to have a winner on your hands when you are done, heck, you already do!

 

    Thanks, Jim

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Posted by Schnobs on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:34 AM

Stephen:  Thank you Sir.  New World Miniatures did a wonderful job on the figures but they did take a couple hours a piece for final detailing, sanding and priming.  That's more of a reflection of my meticulous nature than any errors on their part.

Adam:  LOL!  The driver was actually quite a challenge yesterday because one arm had to fit on the steering wheel and the other on top of the shifter which is really lifelike and if I would have heard a lthe engine turn over I would have ran screaming from the room!  The vest is a little different but should be fun to paint.  I think the patrol raided a Gap Store. Big Smile

Bill:  Yes Sir!  Actually i will be sitting the figures aside for awhile so I can concentrate on all the stowage and acquiring tarp skills!  I just wanted them in primer to protect them and to get some cool shots.  I wish people would come in primer they would be more interesting and surreal that way. Indifferent

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:13 AM

One step closer Edmund...now get those figures painted and stop messin' around! Big Smile

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Posted by *INDY on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:57 AM

AAHHHahhahhaaaa~~@!!!! This is so good!

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww317/schnobs20/AFV%20WIPS2/11TamiyaChevy30CWTLRDGTruck011-6.jpg

New shot too, a driver with arms!! What a concept. So glad Colorado Minatures decided to send you the arm they shorted you. Even if they said it was a "known issue" that they hadn't bothered to check before shipping and were'nt sure they wanted to go to the minor expense to ship it to you when you called them on it to  keep you as a customer...........good choice on thier part  ~~!!   I guess that driver is wearing the Brit "fighting jerkin" heavy vest?          Fashion wars!!!

 

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Posted by NucMedTech on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:43 AM

Scnobs, that is great work!! Those figs look like they are pissed off at someone or something. I would not want to be in their way.

-StephenCowboy

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Posted by Schnobs on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:19 AM
Build Update:
 
I finished final prep and priming of the figures so I took a few mock up shots in primer which I really like to do to compare before and after. 
 
Enjoy Gentleman!
 
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