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M48 Patton FINISHED! Page 16

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, September 8, 2010 6:01 PM

Hey guys--I've arrived safely in Spain--got the free complimentary "Business Class upgrade" on the way over, but I'm still roached from the time change,lol. Anyway, just wanted to respond before I crash..,

Thanks, Kevin, and Rob--thanks for the pic, Rob. I think I actually built am A5 at one point? I think it's at home in Pennsylvania at my parent's house? I know I did build a German one too--the "A2Ga5 or something like that.?

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toadmanstankpictures

Nice work there Karl!  This is only the second time I've seen the turret shimmed.  Looks good.  BTW, you may want to check your loader's hatch again if you plan on keeping it open.  The reference photo you used looks like it's from a M60A1 turret. 

Chris, I HIGHLY APPRECIATE your input and your astute observation. (ANd thank you for the picture, tlivansco!!!) With regret, I must concur that you are probably correct--and I will probably have to "trash" my new hatch when I get home. That actually makes perfect sense, as the Verlinden Update set is for an M60/M48 with an emphasis on the M60 and M48a5--my fault for not doing the better research, and for trying to get something done before I left! Do you have any clear photos of the loader's hatch? I checked your excellent site, but it's hard to get shots of that area. Any help would be much appreciated!

Or does anyone else have shots of the loader's hatch? And specifically--does it have a "head pad" on the interior, as it is molded on the Tamiya part?!

RBaer--I hope I give you something to inspire you! If you get any info on that blade setup, let me know! Unfortunately, until I do, I won't be adding it if it's an incorrect part...Embarrassed

lespaul--thanks, and welcome to the forums! I hope you learn a lot here--you're definitely at the right place!

Well, I'm beat--gotta run, and got a busy few days ahead, but I'll be back hopefully soon! Good night, all!

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Posted by tlivancso on Tuesday, September 7, 2010 3:15 PM

Karl,

Congrats on the engagement and remember this saying "When momma's happy everyones happy."

The build is coming along great, I'm looking forawrd to seeing it progress once you get back from your travels.

I think Chris is right about the loaders hatch I have the Patton book by Hunnicutt and this is the picture shown in the book.

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Posted by lespauljames on Tuesday, September 7, 2010 2:12 PM

tasty building!!  lot of fine quality modelling being done here,  not my area of expertise so im just along for the ride on this un!

 

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Posted by RBaer on Tuesday, September 7, 2010 1:51 PM

Oh, Happy Day!

I've been waiting and lurking, just for this blog. Seriously. Doog, I've been told the Acad M9 blade is not a bad conversion to the M8, but I can't find ANY pics or plans, and have a hull and turret started, just waiting for that info......

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Posted by toadmanstankpictures on Tuesday, September 7, 2010 11:20 AM

Nice work there Karl!  This is only the second time I've seen the turret shimmed.  Looks good.  BTW, you may want to check your loader's hatch again if you plan on keeping it open.  The reference photo you used looks like it's from a M60A1 turret. 

Keep up the good work!

And for Jester75, the Sherman in your photo is a M4A1.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, September 7, 2010 9:25 AM

the doog

Ha ha! Rob, you're cracking me up! lol!

ARGH! I was afraid of that too! I couldn't see it in the pics I have, and should have waited or asked advice here. Well, that's what you do when you're eager and short on time--you screw up! lol!

Luckily, I have my Milliput fine white available, and I'll get to patching up those inner sprockets later today! Should be a relatively easy fix...

I hope the "lurkers" are learning the value of honest, fearless criticism in this thread....Wink

I've always found this site to be more PC than others. Hold your tongue lest the rank and file turn on you to defend the honor of another they deemed you've wronged by some comment you made. It is that attitude here that will forever prevent honest and fearless criticism.

I started tanking on a later version of this vehicle, the M48A5, back in the day, when dinosaurs ruled the Earth.

Note: My apologies if anyone is insulted by these observations. I will delete this post if anyone takes issues with any of my observations. I am in no way critiquing any model on this forum and am only posting photographic reference material that I personally took in order to make my own models more accurate. It is not my intention to impose my own personal preferences on any other modeler on this forum.

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Posted by minimortar on Tuesday, September 7, 2010 9:18 AM

Do good with this (and I'm sure that you will!) as it is my favorite MBT series. Will be keeping an eye on this one for sure.

Thanks,
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Posted by the doog on Monday, September 6, 2010 10:26 PM

Hi guys!

Thanks again for all the great input and kind words! I worked a little today on it, but most of my day was spent tidying up and packing before I leave tomorrow. I appreciate all of you replying and making me feel welcomed back; I've really missed the camaraderie here! Embarrassed Thanks, too, for the kudo's on my engagement to a great girl!

Just some reply comments before I hit the sack--gotta get up early tomorrow...

Eric-ya got me on that Sherman. The only two I really know by sight are either "Tamiya" or "DML", lol Thanks for the photos, again.

Pawel--I have to say that the observation about the sprocket is a BRILLIANT suggestion!!!! I'm working on that right now; well, today! I made a blank to put in the recess, and when I get back home, I'm going to finish modifying the kit sprocket into the more-common 'Nam one! Thanks for that fearless critique! Big Smile

Kenny--thanks for the idea on the Dremel bits, but I don't even want to try that--I'm sure I'd break the tip! I can see where that would work nicely though.

Mike--Note to self; watch the track assemblies! Thanks for that heads-up!

Steve--is that you in the photos you sent?!?! Cool shots! Thanks for posting them! Always looking for more pics from the field in Viet Nam!

Gino--thanks, man! Stick with me on this one, and call out when I get off-course. Your advice on this one will really be invaluable! Thanks again for the tweaks list, and for the help so far!

Manny, Bill, Kenny,Boyd, Terry, and Ben--thanks, guys, again for dropping in! If I can get online in Spain without a hassle, I'll have to look in on what you're doing. I'm sure at some point I'll check in. I'll be back in about 2.5 weeks, and I'll be back to the bench soon after that!

I'm off, in the rain Storm in a plane Travel to Spain! Music!!!!

 

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, September 6, 2010 9:46 PM

Looking good so far.  Keep plugging away.  I was going to mention the mud relief holes as well, but Rob beat me to it.

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, September 6, 2010 3:30 PM

Karl,

You had warned me that this WIP was coming!  WOW, you are making some great progress.  I have this kit in my stash, so I'll be following along and noting your modifications (note to self - NO lightening holes on inner surface! Wink)

Good to see you back at the bench.  Have a safe trip to Spain... In a plane... with rain...? Whistling

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Posted by disastermaster on Sunday, September 5, 2010 4:23 PM

Here's a couple more from "back in the day".

http://showcase.netins.net/web/rradars/tank.jpghttp://showcase.netins.net/web/rradars/tankers.gif

Good to see 'ya back on track doog!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b232/gluetank/Decorated%20images/th_T1-4-copy.jpg

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by terry35 on Sunday, September 5, 2010 3:59 PM

Welcome Back Karl,glad to see you back. Congratulations on your engagement to Jenn, best of luck to you both.

Oh yeah the model is comming along well.

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, September 5, 2010 12:42 PM

HOLY EXCREMENT......DOOG is Back!!.....Wait....Stop the presses....HE IS DOING OD.....my God look what happened to Bill when he heard

Stopped him dead in his tracks......

Karl, great to see you at the bench with armor again.....

Nice work with the treaks on the kit. Casting looks good.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL of the T97 tracks...those center pins on the styrene are fragile....remember my T80 tracks for my M40.

Enjoy...It is great to have you back.....and in OD

Rounds Complete!!

 

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Posted by spacepacker on Sunday, September 5, 2010 12:22 PM

Hello Doog, congratulations to both of you; I'm sure you are a lucky Guy.

Glad to see you back and love the build.

Regards to using the Burr in your Dremmel for roughing-up, if you put a very slight bend (so that it runs out of true)in the shank it will bounce very nicely; take great care when bending as these Burrs can be quite brittle. I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that!!!.

Finally, as I am not the best of modelers I never make suggestions of other peoples builds, therefore I don't have to make any Disclaimers ( Rob, you cracked me up ).

Good Luck to both of  you for the future...Cheers....Kenny

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Posted by Pawel on Sunday, September 5, 2010 11:32 AM

Dang, Karl it's so good to see you building again, and not only that,you are building some not-WWII stuff, and also my favourite time period - NAM! I like it and I'll be watching.

And now - watch the sprocket again. In the photo by rob you can also see the difference between later style sprockets (as in Tamiya kit) and the type most commonly seen in Vietnam, where the face of the sprocket is flat, only with screw openings in it, without the recessed ring, like in Tamiya kit. I hope it helps and I also hope I made myself clear here. Good luck with your build and have a nice day

Pawel

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, September 5, 2010 11:18 AM

Great to see you back at the bench building armor Karl! Yes Yes Definitely looks doog-worthy in terms of the work and detail you're putting in so far! Beer

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Posted by Jester75 on Sunday, September 5, 2010 10:44 AM

Sorry doog, had my treads mixed hehe.Thanks for the info on the pic Phil and Rob, now I know what kinda tank it is! There is no doubt the other is a Sherman just not sure of the particular variant though...

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Eric

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 5, 2010 10:08 AM

Another eclectic build from doog, cool...I love seeing old kits given this kind of attention...Always thought this tank never got its "due"...a really "classic" look IMO...YesYes...

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Posted by Hinksy on Sunday, September 5, 2010 9:49 AM

Hey Karl,

Congratulations on the engagement buddy!

I love what you have done with the Dremel and casting effect. I'm a big fan of my Dremel and this tactic is perfect!

Looking forward to more!

 

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, September 5, 2010 9:03 AM

Phil, thanks for the correction; you know, I thought that that tank looked maybe a little "off" but didn't quite recognize it. I know there are a lot of photos of M482AC's out there, and I thought maybe it was a variamt--thanks for the info!

Nate--yeah, the Dremel ROCKS! lol!

Rob Gronovius

Phil is correct, Eric's photo is of an M60A3TTS tank (a 1980s US Army tank) and not an M48A3 (a Vietnam era tank). There's about a dozen differences even from this angle to include the mounting points for the smoke grenade launcher and stowage boxes, thermal shrouded gun tube, curved tail light housing (M48 had squared ones), curved rear fenders (M48 had angular ones), late style tracks, late style air cleaners, and the most obvious difference, the oblong turret of the M60A1/A3 series.

Doog, FYI sprocket lightening holes only occur on the outer half of the sprocket carrier, not on the inner half.

http://www.armorama.com/modules/gallery/albums/album45/aag.jpg

 

Note: My apologies if anyone is insulted by these observations. I will delete this post if anyone takes issues with any of my observations. I am in no way critiquing any model on this forum and am only posting photographic reference material that I personally took in order to make my own models more accurate. It is not my intention to impose my own personal preferences on any other modeler on this forum.

My apologies in advance if the above paragraph insults any reader.

Ha ha! Rob, you're cracking me up! lol!

ARGH! I was afraid of that too! I couldn't see it in the pics I have, and should have waited or asked advice here. Well, that's what you do when you're eager and short on time--you screw up! lol!

Luckily, I have my Milliput fine white available, and I'll get to patching up those inner sprockets later today! Should be a relatively easy fix...

I hope the "lurkers" are learning the value of honest, fearless criticism in this thread....Wink

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, September 5, 2010 8:35 AM

Phil is correct, Eric's photo is of an M60A3TTS tank (a 1980s US Army tank) and not an M48A3 (a Vietnam era tank). There's about a dozen differences even from this angle to include the mounting points for the smoke grenade launcher and stowage boxes, thermal shrouded gun tube, curved tail light housing (M48 had squared ones), curved rear fenders (M48 had angular ones), late style tracks, late style air cleaners, and the most obvious difference, the oblong turret of the M60A1/A3 series.

Doog, FYI sprocket lightening holes only occur on the outer half of the sprocket carrier, not on the inner half.

 

Note: My apologies if anyone is insulted by these observations. I will delete this post if anyone takes issues with any of my observations. I am in no way critiquing any model on this forum and am only posting photographic reference material that I personally took in order to make my own models more accurate. It is not my intention to impose my own personal preferences on any other modeler on this forum.

My apologies in advance if the above paragraph insults any reader.

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Sunday, September 5, 2010 8:23 AM

Nice job as usual Karl! I particularly like how you created the casting effects with the Dremel, and liquid cement. That's a nice alternative to using Mr. Surfacer, and one I'll try on my next job that needs that effect. Looking forward to seeing more.

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by Phil_H on Sunday, September 5, 2010 8:13 AM

Hey Karl,

Good to see you building again buddy. Smile

I like the M48, I think it was the second kit I ever built when I started doing 1/35 scale stuff way back when (in fact, when that kit was a new release). It will be good to see your take on it.

PS:  I believe the tank in Eric's pic is an M60 (easy enough to confuse the two from certain angles). I'm looking at the return rollers (3 vs 5), location of the bore evacuator on the barrel (which appears to be a 105mm M68, though these were fitted to some M48's as well), the length and shape (squared off) of the turret bustle and the angle of the turret sides (more vertical on the '60).

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, September 5, 2010 7:33 AM

THANKS, GUYS! It's good to be back at the bench and on the forums!! Big Smile I appreciate all the comments, and the congrats on my engagement! Thank you to all for taking the time to leave a comment!

Eric, (Jester)--thanks for that photo! If you scare any more up, send 'em along if you have the time! 

Bronto

Great job so far fixing up the Tamiya kit!  Unfortunately you can't use the Academy dozer blade on the M-48.  It is the M-9 used on the M-60 series tanks, not the M-8 used on the M-48 series.  Looking forward to seeing more progress that you have made on this.

Ah HA! THAT'S the kinda comment I especially love--one that makes the way a bit clearer. Well, that's what I suspected--and it's funnt, because I originally bought it for an M60 model. I guess it'll have to go back into the AM parts box! Thanks for sharing this pertinent knowledge!! Smile

I dunno if I"ll get much more done before I leave, but I'll be working...if not, watch this spot sometime in late September!  Travel

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Posted by Bronto on Sunday, September 5, 2010 6:38 AM

Great job so far fixing up the Tamiya kit!  Unfortunately you can't use the Academy dozer blade on the M-48.  It is the M-9 used on the M-60 series tanks, not the M-8 used on the M-48 series.  Looking forward to seeing more progress that you have made on this.

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Posted by SprueOne on Sunday, September 5, 2010 1:10 AM

Haha, I also built that Monogram Patton tank long ago. Looking good so-far. I'm watching this one. 

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Posted by Goodness180 on Sunday, September 5, 2010 12:52 AM

Looks amazing!!!!

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Posted by zokissima on Sunday, September 5, 2010 12:41 AM

Congrats on the engagement.

Good to see another armour build coming from you again.

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Posted by Jester75 on Saturday, September 4, 2010 10:54 PM

Hey Karl, good to see a WIP from you. I think this is the same thing your building...

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They have this and a Sherman parked outside a base just south of where I live in Calhoun. Didnt snap alot of pics of this one but got plenty of the ShermanYes

Eric

 

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Posted by hedorah59 on Saturday, September 4, 2010 10:20 PM

Great start - I will be following along with this one!

Kirk

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