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Sdk.fz 234/4 WIP . No more post here . Link to completed build on p.8

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:54 PM

bbrowniii

Hey, this thread is great. Not only do we get a great WIP, but we get some humor, some history, and a few personal anecdotes to wash it all down. Ahhhhhh, could it get any better?

Hey Carl, I really like the effect you got on your tools. What are you painting/highlighting them with?

Good to read that you are enjoying the thread ! Icould be better if we had pizza and beer served while at the keyboard ..............i'm not even going to ask the wife . so i'll stick with my peanuts and a glass of water ......................

The tools , i started by painting them panzer gray over all , followed by Mode Master enamel wood on the handles . Over the wood i brushed a diluted/thin coat of Tamiya red brown xf64 to break up the overall wood color . For the metalic look i used a lead pencil and drew it on over the panzer gray . If it looks to shiney spray over it with some flat . Lastly i painted the straps with Tamiya dark yellow xf-60 . I also brushed on a mixture of thinned acrylic black and burnt umber with a sharp pointed paint brush to emphasize the recessed areas.Seems like a lot of steps but its what works for me .

Hope this helps !Beer

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Posted by treadwell on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:32 PM

Hi my good friend Carl : ) 

I also wanted to add how much I am ENJOYING your build. Great camo on the paint job and a tutorial at every turn. your photography is very well done and that is important to me.. I hate blurry pics... makes me think I've over done the meds again... ( that was humor.. I am actually very careful.. just in case the kiddies are tuned in)

On the MG, I agree its hard to tell, butt (lol) to me, I think for sure some were wood.. it is really a part that could be easily built either way depending on who was supplying the part and the availability of bakelite which in a tough time for petroleum plastic manufacturing could have been suffering.

on to my favorite part : the wheels....I know lots of guys give the tip to use a cut out circle or draftsman circle tool or you could use just some piece plastic cone cut to the perfect size as you did.... all of that ain't my point....my point is , regardless of the short time taken, the wheels came out PERFECT. and sometimes, perfect is enough... ( again ... a tiny bit of humor 'cause secretly I believe it is all modelers dream or goal).

I Love the looks of those freekin wheels , and I am anxious to see the completed vehicle.....

thats all I got for tonight Shell, It's my 37th wedding anniversary and I am going to spend some time with someone I love more than your wheels!

great build dude

yer pal , bill

 

   

 

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:02 PM

Wow ! You took time to post here on your wedding anniversary ? You are a truely dedicated modeler and a friend of mine Bill !

Thanks  and happy anniversary !!!!!!!!

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:09 PM

Here's a couple of pictures of MG 42's that i used as reference . Note the butt stock color . It could be painted bakelite or painted wood . And there are pictures of the butt in wood color also but i chose these .

FYI , Dr. Baekeland announced his invention ,Bakelite , in 1909 .

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:44 PM

Got this done tonight and i'm satisfied with the results . I never tried the method i used on this before but it all worked out well .................imo.

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Posted by treadwell on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:04 PM

muffler looks very realistic, could maybe use a bit more texture,but I like it . 

Here is a pic of a MG 42 with wooden butt ..

 

 

bill

 

   

 

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:44 PM

william carls

muffler looks very realistic, could maybe use a bit more texture,but I like it . 

Here is a pic of a MG 42 with wooden butt ..

 

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/mr_treadwell/mg43woodenbutt.jpg  

bill

 

Bill , on the muffler ,sadly i must admitt that i agreeWhistling . I'll RIP it off and rework it ..................................Super Angry 

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:49 PM

.....................and further more i'm burning my current Harbor Freight add !!!!!Super Angry

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:53 PM

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:54 PM

Ok , i found these ............................Eats

Ok, better now .Whistling

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Posted by treadwell on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:29 PM

Aw Shell, on the muffler, you'll be a better man for it and it'll make the back end  really stand out and have a super cool point of interest. ! ... my theory is to try and treat each piece as an individual model.. you have put so much great work in already, really redoing a muffler will be a cake walk for ya...yer probably done already!  lol .... I don't under stand about the harbor freight add : (

yer critical pal ,

bill

P.s.  to many donuts make ya go  nuts  ..  I can attest to that ... yum damn skippity!

   

 

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:55 PM

If you can get ahold of RustAll you'll never regret it. If it needs to be rusty RustAll is the best bet.

Shellback

Got this done tonight and i'm satisfied with the results . I never tried the method i used on this before but it all worked out well .................imo.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w164/Shellback-01/Panzerjaeger%20%20234-4/S6300067-Copy-1.jpg

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:13 PM

Real nice work on the interior, and a nice color scheme too.

I can tell you that Aberdeen had one of these vehicles in its warehouses, and I got a tour of them about 20 years ago, and got photos of the interior of this beast. The interior WAS partly primer red. Not ALL, but parts were. I'd post some pics of it, but I'm in the middle of moving and all my stuff is packed!

 

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:14 PM

Ok Bill n Mike ...............i'll get back with you both in a few , chow time now and i cant be late ....................the WIFE will knock my knickers off if i'm late !!!!!!Stick out tongue

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:58 PM

Thanks Doog . Too bad the photo's are packed . That would be good reference . Hopefully i'm not straying to far afield with my idea of what this particular vehicle could have looked like .

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:08 PM

Shellback

Thanks Doog . Too bad the photo's are packed . That would be good reference . Hopefully i'm not straying to far afield with my idea of what this particular vehicle could have looked like .

Oh, I think it looks great And the muffler texture looks super! Honestly!

If I can find those pics, I'll try to post them after I unpack if you still have this going..Smile

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:11 PM

Ok , i resurfaced the mufflers . I'll see how this turns out .

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:14 PM

the doog

 Shellback:

Thanks Doog . Too bad the photo's are packed . That would be good reference . Hopefully i'm not straying to far afield with my idea of what this particular vehicle could have looked like .

 

Oh, I think it looks great And the muffler texture looks super! Honestly!

If I can find those pics, I'll try to post them after I unpack if you still have this going..Smile

OOPS ! As you can see i already resurfaced the mufflers . Thanks for your help .

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:04 PM

Mikeym_us

If you can get ahold of RustAll you'll never regret it. If it needs to be rusty RustAll is the best bet.

 Shellback:

Got this done tonight and i'm satisfied with the results . I never tried the method i used on this before but it all worked out well .................imo.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w164/Shellback-01/Panzerjaeger%20%20234-4/S6300067-Copy-1.jpg

 

Thanks Mike . I'll look for it on a couple of on line stores .Beer

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:08 PM

Bill , i'm ok now , new day .......new challenges . I tried several different metods with the rusty mufflers and spent about 3 hrs on them . Bot hey , it was fun and i picked up a few new methods .Some times i get in a rush to get done and regret it .

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:35 PM

Yes or No ???????????????????????/

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Posted by ogrejohn on Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:11 PM

Yes! looking mighty fine Carl!

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Posted by MAJ Mike on Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:33 PM

ogrejohn

Yes! looking mighty fine Carl!

Oh, yeah!!  That qualifies as a model in and of itself.

 

 

 "I'd "I'd rather be historically accurate than politically correct."

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!"

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Posted by deafpanzer on Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:46 PM

How do we know if it is not an 1:1 scale mufflers?  They look great... way too real I am telling you! YesYesYes What did you use to create the surface texture? 

Andy

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Posted by BaBill212 on Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:24 PM

I'm jumping in a tad late on this post,, BUT, the build is looking very good Carl. Excellent attention to detail.

And, the subject matter is great too... I like it!

 

Mostly,,, Thanks for sharing......................

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by treadwell on Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:27 PM

O.K. !.... now how about just a hint of soot blow back around the exhaust pipe itself?.. ain't I a ballbuster ?

I use mig black pigment for this job

 

   

 

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:37 PM

Ok , John , Maj. , Andy , Bill and Tread  thanks for looking and your comments are much appreciated .

Tread , are your referring to the exhaust pipe itself or the muffler surface behind / below it ?

 

 

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Posted by treadwell on Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:02 PM

just a very tiny bit at the pipe. outlet itself....I read somewhere that the Germans ran their engines a bit rich in the fuel mixture..helps cool the combustion chamber, but results in sooty deposits at the exhaust exit.

if you really want to get technical about it, the inlet pipe to the muffler could use a touch of brighter orange because it is the hottest part of the exhaust, the metal oxidizes faster which results in fresh bright rust....but just a hint.... stay on the conservative side. Hope I'm helping not hurting... It feels very odd to me to give advice to anyone... as I work on my models , they are always in a constant state of a new experiment... really well established modelers like Bill P, Redleg,Steve (DM) Doog Wingnut.YOU. these guys built many more models than I...

 

   

 

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:38 PM

Ok , i agree with your recommendations Tread .

Hey , dont give me that stuff about getting advice , i've seen your attention to detail that you apply to your models . So i'm off to touch up my muff's .......................

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Posted by treadwell on Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:50 PM

Cool beans dude !

   

 

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