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12.8 cm Waffentrager--FINISHED PICS

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:55 PM

the doog

 wbill76:

If Karl wanted to satisfy both crowds, he could take advantage of the fact that the Germans often had the ranging poles do double duty as cleaning rods...so some of the rods he's already built would be candy-striped (4 of the 6) and the others not.

 

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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh............. Indifferent

Good Grief, Bill! Don't get me confused now! lol! Big Smile

Actually, it's an excellent suggestion--I just don't know if I'd be able to pull off the painting requirements of masking, etc, with them glued on already like that.

Oh hell, who am I kidding? Of course I would--I just don't know if I'm too lazy too at this point?! Whistling..Wink

Boyd -- thanks for looking in as well, and for the comments and suggestions! Big Smile

Sorry for stirring up a hornets nest mentioning the aiming posts Surprise .... The aiming posts would add a splash of color, just the artilleryman in me!! Now as far as easy.....we would not be the modelers we are if we did easy Wink Good luck

Back to my PE pnematic hoses and fittings on my 8 inch howitzerSurprise Details....you have to love them!

Rounds Complete!!

 

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:45 PM

wbill76

If Karl wanted to satisfy both crowds, he could take advantage of the fact that the Germans often had the ranging poles do double duty as cleaning rods...so some of the rods he's already built would be candy-striped (4 of the 6) and the others not.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh............. Indifferent

Good Grief, Bill! Don't get me confused now! lol! Big Smile

Actually, it's an excellent suggestion--I just don't know if I'd be able to pull off the painting requirements of masking, etc, with them glued on already like that.

Oh hell, who am I kidding? Of course I would--I just don't know if I'm too lazy too at this point?! Whistling..Wink

Boyd -- thanks for looking in as well, and for the comments and suggestions! Big Smile

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:22 PM

If Karl wanted to satisfy both crowds, he could take advantage of the fact that the Germans often had the ranging poles do double duty as cleaning rods...so some of the rods he's already built would be candy-striped (4 of the 6) and the others not. Wink Even the Jagdtiger had ranging poles and it mounted the same gun.

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Posted by bbrowniii on Sunday, February 5, 2012 12:42 PM

Karl

Really impressive scratch building there. This thing is truly a conceptual behemoth!

I'd agree with you on the candy canes - to me, this has the look of something used in a direct fire, primarily anti-tank role as opposed to indirect.

Having said that, since it is all 'made up', the candy canes might make for an interesting splash of color and suggest a dual purpose mission for this big monster.

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, February 5, 2012 12:26 PM

Guys, thank for all the Yes's and comments!

Gotta love your million-and-one Smileys for every occasion, Steve!

Mike, I thought really hard about the "candy canes", but my gut tells me that this vehicle would have been utilized primarily in a panzerjager role. When you think about the time frame and the state of the war then, I think that it would have been put to use in a defensive role, and I'm not convinced the crew would've had the luxury of having the time to lay down coordinates and distances. Great minds wonder alike though, I guess? Wink

Thanks too, Bill, Ernest, and Terry! Terry, yes, the vehicle would definitely "fall over" if you turned the barrel 90 degrees. I'll be capturing that big barrel in the travel lock, however, so it'll be pretty stable. Smile

Thanks, too, Andy--I made sure to "scale" out the cleaning rods--put together, they'd span the length of the gun tube. Smile

Working away here; should have the thing ready for paint by tomorrow with the next and last update on construction....stay tuned! Big Smile

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Posted by deafpanzer on Saturday, February 4, 2012 9:59 PM

Oh my!  That gun is BIG!  I count only 6 cleaning rods... I think you need to make another 6. LOL  Looking real good!

Andy

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Posted by terry35 on Saturday, February 4, 2012 5:47 PM

Wow that is some size Karl. Gotcha on the gun cradle, just a question, if you pointed the gun over to 90 degrees would it alter the balance, I now know the question is redundant because of the way you intend to display the vehicle, but curiosity and all that. Te cradle will more than likely support the kit over time. I love the struts you have added to the legs, cool.

I look forward to seeing you progress.

Regards,

Terry.

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Posted by bufflehead on Saturday, February 4, 2012 4:32 PM

Excellent scratchbuilding Karl!  I love all the additions you've incorporated....not only are they logical (especially the hydraulic lifters) ,but they will add immensely to the overall buld.  Its coming together very nicely! 

Ernest

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, February 4, 2012 4:20 PM

Nice work on the mods and additions Karl! This baby definitely shows the German obsession with big guns...Big Smile

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Posted by redleg12 on Saturday, February 4, 2012 7:21 AM

Karl - The panoramic telescope (sight) is nicely detailed. Interesting scratch build with the with the hydraulic lifters for the spades. Nice job with the ramming staffs. You could have aiming posts somewhere (candy cane poles).....just another item to think about.

OK....now both Bill and Karl doing weekday updates.....what is this world coming to.

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by disastermaster on Friday, February 3, 2012 10:24 PM

 http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/toilet/reading-on-toilet.gifOOOOH......  Something fresh!

A very nice Friday night delight.

 Good call on the accessories too.

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Posted by the doog on Friday, February 3, 2012 9:55 PM
 

Hey thanks, K-Dawg! I appreciate the look-in!

Well, I figured I better get an update out here before you think I forgot about this one..I'm dedicating this post to Hans Von Hammer, our resident "don't need no stinkin' AM parts!" guy who I hope will find favor with my attempts to scratchbuild 95% of the details here--this one's for you, Hans!

First of all, here's the nifty little sight mechanism--some nice detailing here, and the PE parts are kit parts.

And added to the gun, with seat and pedals added....

Here's the build-up before I started appraising and tinkering with things....SEE THAT GUN CRADLE, TERRY?! Big Smile

OK, so...........Whistling...........I took a look at this concept of a model and thought that there were a number of things that could have used improvement and additions...first of all, tools and some fittings. I added some tools---a shovel, axe. crow bar, on the top hull and fender; they have scrap brass holder locking handles but you can't see them in the photo too well--and added a spare track holder on the front made from brass, wire and strip. (still adding details)

I added an expedient "field mod"--a stowage bin from an old zimmeritted vehicle. I figured they would maybe keep barrel cleaning heads/rags in here? In any case, it presents interesting painting possibilities?

Next, one thing that really bothered me was that these rear spades had no way to raise or keep them up when traveling. The way the kit had them engineered, they would literally drag on the ground. I also didn't like the lack of towing pintles--these parts in circles are solid. So I figured to build hydraulic lifters and replace the towing pintles.

I shaved off those "lights" or whatever they were--remember, everything is "conceptual" here, so you can pretty much take "artistic license" to a degree--and made new pintles, Then, I spent a good two days engineering and making through much trial-&-error some functioning hydraulic lifters. I drilled out some sprue with a micro-drill, and fashioned the rest from styrene rod and strip.

Here's what I have so far...I also added a back to the seat from scrap brass and styrene. You might notice that I cut away the fender insides as well to provide access to the pintles from a cable or hook:

I also plan to add retaining hooks to the spade arms' fronts, to hold them in place during travel. I'm prbably going to portray this vehicle in travel mode, in order to use the gun travel lock to hold up the heavy metal barrel.

I also scratchbuilt some gun cleaning rods and mounted them to a frame on the front gun shield with a little PE butterfly clasp.

That's it so far, guys! Hope you like it--I like these projects because there's so much room for improvisation! I hope you're equally inspired to create your own mods--I've got some more coming on this one; just a few small ones, but you'll have to wait for the next update!

Comments and critiques always welcomed!

the doog

 

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Posted by K-dawg on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:48 AM

Good stuff! I wonder how the new Dragon 8.8cm Waffentrager will compare to the Trumpeter one? Hmmmm

Kenneth Childres, Central Arkansas Scale Modelers

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:13 AM

Thanks again, guys--just wanted to say that I"m working away here, re-engineering some stuff on the rear hull that needed attention. The nice thing about these "paper panzers" is that they're not at all set in stone as far as their configuration--and sometimes the research on them doesn't take some realities or possibilities in mind.

I'm adding some cool things to the vehicle that I think would have been added, and Hans is going to be so proud of me Wink. No aftermarket stuff; well, hardly anything, really.

Terry, thanks man--and a good suggestion about the weights being added to counterbalance the weight of the gun; I don't usually go for the metal gun barrel, but this one was sooooooooo long, it seemed to make sense. However, the gun rests pretty squarely on the chassis, and it has a travel lock to rest upon, so I"m confident that it will sit well. Thanks for the suggestion though! Smile

Mike--you know, I actually thought about that--using a piece of tubing to replace the piece, but luckily I pulled it out at the last minute. Don't worry about not catching it in the text--I've got to be the WORST person here about missing details in someone's post and then asking a redundant question, lol!

I'll have an update soon, guys! Thanks to all again!!! Big Smile

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:55 AM

redleg12

Well.....I thought Bill was sneaking by, then I see your post so it is official....I am getting careless and need a flogging  Indifferent. Nice work as always....

Looking at your muzzle.....what is the outside diameter??? Is it close to a standard size so you could use a tube and work it front that point. Is there a PE replacement....somewhere....internet search. Otherwise a good center measurements and drilling....carefully

I will keep thinking Confused

Rounds Complete!!

You do need a flogging----if you go back in the thread you'll see that the problem was already corrected ala Von Hammer methods...

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, January 30, 2012 7:19 PM

Well.....I thought Bill was sneaking by, then I see your post so it is official....I am getting careless and need a flogging  Indifferent. Nice work as always....

Looking at your muzzle.....what is the outside diameter??? Is it close to a standard size so you could use a tube and work it front that point. Is there a PE replacement....somewhere....internet search. Otherwise a good center measurements and drilling....carefully

I will keep thinking Confused

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by bufflehead on Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:35 PM

Nice to see you back Karl!  Your builds always educate, amaze and inspire!  Great work and save on the perforated muzzle brake; with primer on it looks fantastic!  This is a very interesting vehicle and I know you'll hit a home run with it!

Ernest

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Posted by terry35 on Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:41 PM

Hi, Karl great to see you back home in armour. I love the subject, I bought two of the 105mm when it came out. I did not go for this one as I have the gun as a separate kit. 

Great save on the pepper pot muzzle brake, I only examined the gun parts in the kit box and did not realise that the plastic pepper pot was so badly done. 

Great work so far, I will be following this one closely. I know it's not a subject for everybody but it's so weird that I cannot turn away for an instant.

Just a heads up, I have heard that it might be worth your time adding some weight to the insides of the hull, the way that aircraft modellers add weight to the nose of tricycle landing gear aircraft, apparently the metal gun barrel can cause the vehicle to tip over.

Well good luck with the build and I look forward to seeing you progress.

Terry.

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Posted by IBuild148 on Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:45 PM

Nice 

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Posted by Hinksy on Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:55 PM

the doog

Thanks, guys--I have to admit a feeling of being "well chuffed" at this lucky rescue! Thanks to all for the words of support! Big Smile 

You should be well-chuffed too Karl. I learnt soldering on electronic PCB's at college whilst getting my engineering qualifications and I still struggle with it sometimes - now it's primed that looks SUPERB Yes

I'll be really interested to see how this build turns out.

Nice save - keep it up!

Ben Yes

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:47 PM

Thanks, guys--I have to admit a feeling of being "well chuffed" at this lucky rescue! Thanks to all for the words of support! Big Smile

Boyd--thanks for that callout about my second post--I just remember that I DID move the photos in my Photobucket account. I loaded them into the wrong album. I'll have to go and repair that now. Sad Thanks again!

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:06 PM

NIce save, Karl.

I'll enjoy watching this one come together.

By the way, is it me or is something wrong with your second update - all the images are gone (or at least I can't see them. I get the "This image has been deleted or moved" message from Photobucket).

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:05 PM

Nice save. Yes

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, January 28, 2012 11:08 AM

Very nice on the save Karl. Soldering does wonders for things like this and using the styrene piece as a form makes sense. Glad you were able to work it out...the primed piece looks a beaut! Wink

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Posted by disastermaster on Friday, January 27, 2012 9:08 PM

disastermaster

I ain't worried.

I know you'll work that muzzle out to look just great......http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRylZuOoyaOHU52-G_8W6Zw4Kp3-OFZQXWTBig0OTbODAgJmF3SktJizA

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http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx170/mqnina/emoticons/11.gifWas there ever any doubt?

 

 

 

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Friday, January 27, 2012 7:17 PM

Hey Bill the Doog found a book with the cover still on it.Wink

Good job Karl

Tony lee

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 27, 2012 6:29 PM

WOW...what a save, bro!!!  The truth is in the primed piece...oustanding bit 'o fine-scale modeling here...

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Posted by the doog on Friday, January 27, 2012 6:15 PM

Hallelujah!

Well, I have actually managed to learn something new, and saved my PE muzzle brake!

So, in the last post, I had had a hell of a time bending that cylindrical muzzle brake, and had rather deformed it. I thought I would have been able to drill out the plastic substitute, but to my disappointment, the dimples which populated the surface in place of the actual hole were too shallow to allow my microdrill to track them accurately, and after drilling a few dozen of them I was less-than-satisfied with the results. Hmmm. NOW what to do? Both the PE and the plastic parts looked like crap, I"m here to testify!

Well, I put on my Big-boy pants and took another look at that PE piece. Hmmm, it wasn't TOO badly out-of-round?  The problem had been that the perforated surface in 80% of the piece had a lower tensile strength that the un-perforated ribs that sat opposite each other, and these "ribs" were hard to bend to the same degree as the perforations, leading to an out-of-round abomination. Well, I got back at it, and got the idea to use the plastic insert piece to help form to cylinder.

I used a flat pliers that I picked up at AC Moore's to help me. I finally got it round, and then had to face up to how to join the ends? Hmm...it didn't look like super-glue would hold it? So I trudged down to the hardware store and picked up some soldering tools, and took a crack at it. Holy styrene! I actually got it to take! I even managed to solder the end cap on! WAHOOOO!! I was thrilled!

I then used the pliers again to refine the shape and used a file to further correct and perfect the piece...

After some Tamiya Gray Primer, I think it looks killer!

That's it for tonight--I"l have more updates by Sunday! Big Smile

 

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Posted by the doog on Friday, January 27, 2012 5:59 PM

wbill76

Karl,

Check out www.jbmodels.eu I believe they offer the 12.8cm barrel complete with brass brake that will do this baby justice for a decent price. He ships fast and cheap even being based out of Austria and takes Paypal. Wink

Yep...the RB version: http://www.jbmodel.eu/product_info.php/cPath/22/products_id/2657 at 8 euros, that's a great deal IMHO.

Bill,

Thanks so much for the line on that barrel, but I have managed to "rise above"!  I"m proud to say that I've managed to improve upon my own deficient skills and learned something new!

See the following post!

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, January 27, 2012 5:33 PM

Karl,

Check out www.jbmodels.eu I believe they offer the 12.8cm barrel complete with brass brake that will do this baby justice for a decent price. He ships fast and cheap even being based out of Austria and takes Paypal. Wink

Yep...the RB version: http://www.jbmodel.eu/product_info.php/cPath/22/products_id/2657 at 8 euros, that's a great deal IMHO.

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