IDF GB 4/20/08 - 4/20/09

O think the way I am going to handle it is omission.

White_R34 wrote:

Ok "C" if thats ok to call you Cosmic. Your right on it with the different types of paint colors. Some of the tank units in the North have bean painted a mid to dark "Olive Drab" color, wile in the south the tend to use a sand type or mild or light "Khaki" some time they would just paint over the OD color with mild sand and the khaki looking color would apear. (Much like my MUTT). The Blue-Gray looking color is from the time the photos wer shot. "Early morning" hours bfore the move out. Ok as for the markings the, The white Bold Chevron ">" at the front  on both sides skirts and stands for Company, an are found on Tanks. As for your hover craft I think you would only use Israeli Language of Hebrew. Now I know you may not be able to read it, but you can hand paint?, can't you? Ok what you will need it a platoon an company markings. But I will ask some of my friends that are from there. I would like to ask you if I can repost you HC so they will know whatI'm talking about. Oh I will give them your name and give them a link to this thread. Oh here a photo I left out your going to love this view. I'm building that sencer but I don't yet know where to mount it. So that any your question I must ask the IDF guys & Girls to day., but first I need your permission to post your images on a Message bord othere than this one.

Thank you, and you may call me as you wish. You've helped me out quite a bit so far, And I owe you (and everyone else in this thread, too!)

The Verlinden sheet has a bunch of Hebrew script on it, I just don't know which are appropriate. They all look cool.

You may link my pictures/thread. I figure anything on the internet becomes fair game, but it was very nice of you to ask. Thank you.

That's a nice photo. Lots of excellent detail there: color, weathering, etc. That sensor looks like something out of Star Wars.

OK all you IDF nuts I have some new info "FOE YAH" Ok "C" from talking to some friends about your build, some of them told me to say this ......I quote them: Your HC-hovercraft looks more like the large cut off APC and less like a truck, even if it's shaped like a truck it's realy more like an APC. You may want to put on decals or dry transfers that will give you and armored group look. Most IDF land or wheeled Vehicals don't have a lot of markings other than groupe numbers ect(Images Below).

SO in keeping to the point that your build is like a concept the marking are up to you. But inreality IDF concepts never have bold group markings just ID numbers. IDF Namer Heavy APC Concept!

 You know you HC would be a grate Idea! No more MUD holes!!

Now I know you all want to see what I've bean up to so here the only thing I'm willing to show right now, I know these pix don't show you all the work I have done to the turret or interior but once I get the info I need on that sensor and where to place it, I will have up close pix to show all my new detailed work. Now the work on the rear basket has started and near the end. I will show those of you how to do the Ball & Chain work. It's not as hard as you may think. Remember I'm the guy that likes to try weard things to get the same results like the pros.

Hay Cosmic do you remember where you got your Verlinden IDF Dry transfer sheet?

RBaer wrote:

Since there's a couple of Merks in progress here, I'm going to continue watching to see how you guys do the ball and chain armor at the bustle overhang. I tried Legends' and ended up with a gluey mess and my fingers stuck together. The MkII I have in progress is at a screeching halt until I can get through this hurdle.....

About your problem, there's one thing you need to know, you don't realy need any glue at all. Just some craft loop bending pliers. I'll show you how this is done.

White_R34 wrote:

OK all you IDF nuts I have some new info "FOE YAH" Ok "C" from talking to some friends about your build, some of them told me to say this ......I quote them: Your HC-hovercraft looks more like the large cut off APC and less like a truck, even if it's shaped like a truck it's realy more like an APC. You may want to put on decals or dry transfers that will give you and armored group look. Most IDF land or wheeled Vehicals don't have a lot of markings other than groupe numbers ect... SO in keeping to the point that your build is like a concept the marking are up to you. But inreality IDF concepts never have bold group markings just ID numbers. IDF Namer Heavy APC Concept!  You know you HC would be a grate Idea! No more MUD holes!!

Cool! They're talking about me in Israel. Thanks for the info and images White. I'd been kinda stressin' it a bit. I have group numbers (the little white numbers in the black rectangles, right?) and some other assorted markings, so I guess I'm all right. I was gonna mask and paint the chevrons, but since they only put those on tanks, that will save me a bit of work.

Seriously, awesome photos.

I thought it looked more like a APC too, so that's how I'll present it. The images of that Namer concept really help.

That there is some ridiculously deep mud. I wonder what the sign on the one buried up to the turret says?

Hay Cosmic do you remember where you got your Verlinden IDF Dry transfer sheet?

I got them out of my LHS a few years ago. (Scale Reproductions in Louisville, Holla!)

I looked for some more online, but it looks like Verlinden no longer makes them. Do you need me to upload an image of them? I used some on my Merk, but only a few. I still have like 90% of the sheet. Lots of little markings that I have no idea what they stand for...

Oh hey, I found them!

https://www.missionmodels.com/product.php?productid=16840&cat=379&bestseller

Does that help?

Hay man thanks for that link that realy helps. Now I must ask are you at the stage where your about to paint her? "C" Becouse I know of a guy here in Louisiana that makes lazer cut masks for painting an there realy good. He will custom make you or any one that orders a custom made mask for painting. Here's a link http://www.gatorsmask.com/ I hope he is still willing to make custom painting maskes.

Hey guy's.

Remeber me?

I know it's been awhile but the holidays and work have put a serious dent in my build time.

However I am back to finish my build.

Upon returning from one of my "many trips" out of state I found that I had not "properly" secured my build away from my girlfriends cat.

Well, as you can imagine I have some repairs to make.

I was down to just painting,decals and weathering too.

The damage isn't to severe to ditch but it will take a couple days to get back on track.

P.s. everyone's work looks fantastic!

Sorry to hear about the cat issue.  I once had 15 builds completed, and sitting up on my window sill, which was a very wide one.  My cat got up there and knocked them all down right onto the baseboard heater.  Needless to say that was the last time that cat ever went near a window sill(no I did not damage the cat in any way).  Kitty was punished and no longer allowed in the room.

For things like this unforseen stuff and whatnot, I will extend the deadline with no penalty if needed. 

Speaking of which those who don't complete by the deadline, the "pentalty" for a late start will be nothing more then an altered GB tag, that says late finisher.  Obviously I can't enforce it, but am going on honors here.  Which is how it should be.

I'm just about done with my IDF MUTT, but somehow, the spare tire dissappeared.  I just gotta figure out where it went, add the jerry can, and the shovel, and then it's done.

Well Fanta I went on to the IDF Modeling site or page and E-Mailed them to ask if we that any of us here needed to do any thing to the images, if they let our pix in on there site. Once the read and come look around this GB and send me a mail back I'll let you all that may want to add to that site. The heads up on what you may need to know or do.

http://idfmodelling.free.fr/

White_R34 wrote:

Hay man thanks for that link that realy helps. Now I must ask are you at the stage where your about to paint her? "C" Becouse I know of a guy here in Louisiana that makes lazer cut masks for painting an there realy good. He will custom make you or any one that orders a custom made mask for painting. Here's a link http://www.gatorsmask.com/ I hope he is still willing to make custom painting maskes.

Yer welcome!

The idea of custom masks is actually very useful. I recently started looking for something just like that. I don't think I need anything for this vehicle, but I do a lot of sci-fi stuff that I can use masks for (especially titles and stripes). If he's up to it, I could throw a lot of buisness his way.

Ok you gus I have some info on that R2D2 looking thing on the Merkava in one of my photos. I quote: Thats an Israeli Armored division soldier. As my friend told me it realy has no name real nick name othere than the ones the IDF armor soldiers call it. The "nameles beast" or "R2D2". It's classified as a (SJC)-sensor/jammer component, much like the IDF's Iron Fist (ADS) Active Defense System. The system is fitted to the various models of the Merkava tank line.

The sensor can detect incoming threats, categorise them and try and jam them. It was meant to be linked to two traversable grenade launchers mounted on each vehicle known as POMALS. Once the sensor/jammer picked up an incoming threat, POMALS was meant to slew towards the threat and automatically launch a series of smoke grenades and fragmentation grenades towards the enemy launch crew. The intention was to hit or disrupt the enemy anti-tank team, not hit or destroy the incoming projectile. That technology was not yet available.

Once Trophy and/or Iron Fist, the two far more sophisiticated active defence systems come on line, the "nameless beast" will disappear from service.

Note that no POMAL launchers are fitted to those vehicles equipped with the "nameless beast". I have an idea of what they were uised for in Gaza but will not discuss this further because of OPSEC issues. He could not go on from this point. "An I don't blame him."

http://defense-update.com/products/i/iron-fist.htm

The new system is called the Iron Fist Anti-Missile Protective Shield System. This system works a lot like the nameless beast. I hear that the Iron Fist has better long term potential and generally is a more sophisticated product.

Guys I'm still finding links and I have a lot to read. So till I know the realy name if any I'll let you all know. Here some of my work from last night.

White_R34 wrote:

I'm working hard and fast on the turret top so I can show you all how to do it in an easy way.

 I'm ready!

Ok Cosmic what it was, was a cry for help in the form of a joke by one of the crew members and it means "until when", a variation of "how much more", "ive had enough", and it's more specific cousin "until when _________ (insert unit name and year here)".Probably it should be written with first letter 'alef' so it would say "my land" and also "my soil". The translation is a bit had, as I'm still learning.

Go here and type in what ever you need to be translated to see what it should look like in hebrew. An click go it's the enter key, this should help a little.

http://www.stars21.com/translator/english_to_hebrew.html

Oh I forgot to tell you all that in reading hebrew you read Right to Left. That's why if you type in a question it will look like it's going the rong way and it's not.

Sorry for messing that up guys It's not left to right but Right to left. I edited this post.

Oh an I found the most used color by the IDF and it's called Faded Olive Drab. you can get if from Testors MM #2057.

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TS2051

Israeli Camouflage paint colors.

Blue: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TS5340

Tan: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TS5342

Early Light Gray: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TS5344

Israeli Gray: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TS5346

Israeli Khaki: http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TS5348

Now if you dont want to buys any of these colors you can always just mix up a batch for your self.

White_R34 wrote:

Ok Cosmic what it was, was a cry for help in the form of a joke by one of the crew members and it means "until when", a variation of "how much more", "ive had enough", and it's more specific cousin "until when _________ (insert unit name and year here)".Probably it should be written with first letter 'alef' so it would say "my land" and also "my soil". The translation is a bit had, as I'm still learning. Go here and type in what ever you need to be translated to see what it should look like in hebrew. An click go it's the enter key, this should help a little. http://www.stars21.com/translator/english_to_hebrew.html

Thanks White. Very useful, this. Now I can read those transfers. Sorta.

Hmm... That doesn't bode well.

I guess we'll just have to make our own thread here.

OR we can start our own web site/page on it. Here's a link on that idea. Now remember at first we would not get mini images sent in but as time go's on new ones would come. http://www.webs.com/

An we all could just join up at http://www.idf-in-scale.com./gallery.html

That's even if there still there.

Ok guy I have a friend that just got his Mk 4 from Ebay and here's a look at the real box cover.

I'm going to ask him on wich page of (Evil-bay)ebay did he get it so I can post a link for you all. Now if any of you knows of that page go on and post it.

About my build I have hit a wall I started some of the painting and the color that I was talking about (Faded Olive) is RONG!!!!! It realy looks like I may have to mix light gray with FO to get the color I want. Thin do a heavy gray and dust powder all over it so It will look right.

An no I'm not going to show any photos as I'm sick right now over my mess up....

Edit post: got that links "foe yah":

http://www.missionmodels.com/product.php?productid=194703

http://cgi.ebay.com/ACADEMY-1%2F35-IDF-MERKAVA-MK-IV-MK4-MK.IV-4-MERKAVA4_W0QQitemZ320334004769QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090121?IMSfp=TL090121156002r35968

I my self dont shop there so I'm going to wate till I see one at some of the sites I shop, I don't want to be one of the first with that kit. As I have said before I like the Mk. III the most.

OPk some IDF tank markings indicate the battlion, company and platoon.

The battlion is indicated by the rings in the barrel of the main gun, one ring first battlion, two ring second battlion, and so forth.

The company is indicated by the chevrons (the V's) V is first company, > is second company, ^ is third company and < is fourth company.

The platoon and the number of the tank in the platoon is indicated by a hebrew letter (Aleph, Bet, Gimmel, Dalet=Platoon A, B, C or D) and a number, 1, 2,3. They are normally indicated on panels at the rear of the turret.

These indications are sometimes also present on the mud guards and they also include a geometric symbol ( star, circle, square, romboid) that I believe represent the regimient.

In any case I believe that they change the markings on the tanks very often in order to create some confusion for the enemy.

I'm going to look around for some new or old pix to post soon. I'll put up aircraft as well as armor.

Hey White, why did you have to get that Merk Mk IV off of Ebay? I thought that was a new kit.

Sorry about the Faded Olive. If I had been around more often, I would have warned you 'bout that. Testor's makes a color called Israeli Armor Sand; that's what I'm planning on using for mine HT. Is that an incorrect color in some way?

Man, things move fast over here in armor. I thought I was just in here, and we're already on page five!

Greetings, polikarpov_mesteno. Welcome aboard.