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    July 2012
  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 8:55 PM

I found a few shot's of what the Nozzle's looked like.

I also found this Scematic of the interior layout. But I have a B I G question.....

Where is the Bathroom ? Or at the very least ... a Waist Dump mechanism ???

When I get up after a long sleep, The first thing I do .....is   Ummmm.... Purge the bladder.

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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    July 2012
  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:09 PM

Bakster
In order to save that texture it will limit my ability to run wires around.

I have heard of a paint that is "conductive" ( I do not recall namebrand ) But with it , you could "Paint" the electrical path, attach your light's to one end, battery power to the other. 

Then Paint your choice of color's over it to concel it. I will do some "Digging" and see if I can find some, ( I could use some myself so dont "Panic" .....  I won't be "charging " for my service's . )

P.S.  A "What If" picture I found...

Planet of the 1999 ????

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:14 PM

Dang, that looks pretty cool the way they have it. Nice find on this. I am laughing though how we went from flashlight covers, to this! Lol. Sigh. I may have to reconsider. Dang it. You are killing my great eBay deal you know. Lol.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:19 PM

littletimmy
nd ) But with it , you could "Paint" the electrical path, attach your light's to one end, battery power to the other.

What! You are blowing my mind.

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:23 PM

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:28 PM

littletimmy

Wow Tim. This could open up some possibilities. 

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:31 PM

I know it ain"t cheap, but if you do get some..... GET MORE THAN 1 BOTTLE OF IT !!!

They could easily pull it off the Market.

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:36 PM

I'll have to research how to terminate wires to it and such. This is very interesting. You are really bringing out the Jedi tonight.

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:40 PM

I'm trying to share as much information as I can ...while I can.....

( Are computer's suppose to smoke ... ??? )

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:46 PM

littletimmy

I'm trying to share as much information as I can ...while I can.....

( Are computer's suppose to smoke ... ??? )

 

OMG. Don't say that.

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:11 PM

Crash and Burn .......

My computer is laughing at me...

Gonna have to shut down for a bit. My "Rock with letter's on it" is actually getting hot.

 

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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    September 2011
  • From: Milaca, Minnesota
Posted by falconmod on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:30 AM

this is a bad photo but I printed this a little bit ago.  I was also thinking of doing the ship sinking diorama.

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/48 T-38

1/144 AC-130, 1/72 AV-8A Harrier

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  • From: Philadelphia Pa
Posted by Nino on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 9:23 AM

Bakster

Dang, that looks pretty cool the way they have it. Nice find on this. I am laughing though how we went from flashlight covers, to this! Lol. Sigh. I may have to reconsider. Dang it. You are killing my great eBay deal you know. Lol.

 

 Bakster, 

     You can still use the Shuttle nozzels on the the port and starboard extreme ends where the nozzels are smaller.

     I guess the Ear canal scope light covers would be too small for the main engines too.  

 

 

 Tim,  Not to worry, that rear door leads to the Poop deck. 

         Nino

 

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  • From: Philadelphia Pa
Posted by Nino on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 9:31 AM

falconmod

this is a bad photo but I printed this a little bit ago.  I was also thinking of doing the ship sinking diorama.

John

 

 John,  That's fantastic!  A 3d printed A.N.S.A spacecraft.  How big is it?  And how much water will it need to be submerged?
 
  And can lager Engine Nozzles be printed?!?!  Hint, Hint, hint...
 
   Nino
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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 9:50 AM

Nino
 Bakster,       You can still use the Shuttle nozzels on the the port and starboard extreme ends where the nozzels are smaller.

Say Nino... Great minds think alike. LOL. I was thinking the same thing. So, it wouldn't be a total waste if I go that direction.

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 9:53 AM

Hey John, that is cool. I was thinking that a person could make a much more expansive dio by using a smaller model. 

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  • From: Milaca, Minnesota
Posted by falconmod on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 10:03 AM

Actually its a 2 piece fuselage, seperates behind the cockpit windows.  I can print it any size I want.   this one is about 8-9 inches long.   I have files for another version that is split horizontally so the inside could be hollowed out.    And the other version has 2 main nozzles.

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/48 T-38

1/144 AC-130, 1/72 AV-8A Harrier

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 10:08 AM

falconmod

Actually its a 2 piece fuselage, seperates behind the cockpit windows.  I can print it any size I want.   this one is about 8-9 inches long.   I have files for another version that is split horizontally so the inside could be hollowed out.    And the other version has 2 main nozzles.

John

 

That is really cool. What size are you going with?

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:33 PM

What! Look what I found. The question is: Is 1/144 scale big enough? Timmy probably has it right but it would be great if it could be measured. Anyone out there own a 1/144 shuttle kit that can measure the diameter of the larger nozzles? 

 

  • Member since
    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:56 PM

Hi Steve, I've been doodling a little with scale and numbers.

1. I don't know the scale of your model, but I would guess it's 1/48, or 1/4"=1'-0".

2. One source called it 1/35, but it's not listed on the MiM website.

3. In answer to the question about the shuttle engine nozzles at 1/144, if accurate they should be 5/8" diameter at the mouth of the bell. 

4. Your little shuttle kit has nozzles about 1/2", correct?

5. FWIW, that scale drawing shows the nozzles to be 48" diameter. 

6. Based on 1/48, you are looking for something 1" diameter. On 1/35, around 1 3/8".

7. So the shuttle nozzles you have are too small, and the ones you found online are as well.

8. Correct me, but aren't these under water? If so, you can be rough with them unless you are setting up a submerged view.

9. One other comment. That drawing shows the "re-entry" engine nozzles attached to... nothing. I didn't take intergalactic engine design in school, but the guess is that the engine would occupy some space, and then there's fuel.

Just my two bits.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 5:39 PM

Hey Bill-- This is nice work that you did. To a few of your points:

GMorrison
4. Your little shuttle kit has nozzles about 1/2", correct?

Correct.

GMorrison
7. So the shuttle nozzles you have are too small, and the ones you found online are as well.

The same source offering the 1/144 scale  offers them in 1/72 scale. I found a reference that puts the 1/72 scale at over an inch. This sounds like the ticket to meet the 1 inch that you calculated. They are selling it for $20 plus shipping. It's not terribly priced, but it is approaching my squealing point for an item that for the most part won't be seen. It's within reason though, and I think worth it.

GMorrison
8. Correct me, but aren't these under water? If so, you can be rough with them unless you are setting up a submerged view.

You are correct! They are submerged. I am designing this so that you can view into the ship from below. The entire lower section we are talking about will be viewable from below. So, I might as well put some care into. 

GMorrison
9. One other comment. That drawing shows the "re-entry" engine nozzles attached to... nothing. I didn't take intergalactic engine design in school, but the guess is that the engine would occupy some space, and then there's fuel.

Yeah, I agree. The engines are mounted to the rear bulkhead. There is no accounting for fuel or plumbing. I don't think that any of the models produced accounted for this. I am not sure that the actual prop did either! I doubt it. That's hollywood for you. That's okay for me though. It's sci fi. 

GMorrison
Just my two bits.

Thanks a bunch Bill. I really appreciate all the effort that you put into this.

Yes

 

  • Member since
    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 6:05 PM

Pleasure is mine. I love this kind of stuff.

Now you've got me wanting to see the movie again. It's the only one of the series I ever saw. 

Trivia of sorts. The book on which the movie was based (only a bit) was written by Pierre Boulle, who also wrote The Bridge on the River Kwai. A pretty good record for movie adaptations.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 6:58 PM

Hey that is interesting about Pierre Boulle. I watched The Bridge on the River Kwai about three weeks back. I think it was Turner Classic Movies that ran it. I have seen it before but it is such a classic I have a hard time passing on it when it comes up. Great movie!

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    July 2014
  • From: Philadelphia Pa
Posted by Nino on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:06 PM

Bakster,

 

 My wife says everything looks bigger underwater (Wink), so if doing a Dio maybe you could still use smaller diameter "Nozzels"...? Big Smile

I think Bill is right-on with the measurements. The "1 inch" for the main engines and you can still use the others for manuvering thrusters.

   Nino

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:16 PM

Awesome stuff guys!!!

Love that photo of the lower stage attached Timmy, I've never seen that. Interesting how the rest of the spacecraft was supposed to look. And I love that kitbash with the 1999 Eagle!

John: Very cool! I'm looking forward to seeing what all can be done with 3D printing. Looks like with some small adjustments here and there the sky is the limit.

 

And the novel 'Monkey Planet'- been looking around used books stores for years for a copy. Guess I could have one in a week with the internet but somehow the hunt is half the fun!!!

 

BTW if the lights don't work out you might try to find a 'Monkey Shines' official PotA flashlight:

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:22 PM

Nino... your wife sounds like a hoot!

Oh I am sold on this. I will order the 1 inch main engines and use the others for thrusters. That should look pretty dang sweet! Thanks to all of you.

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:30 PM

Gamera, I agree. I love those images that Tim found. And I really love that clip with the ape taking pictures. I laugh at that every time that I see it. Leave it to Tim. Lol.

A Monkey Shines flashlight? How did I miss getting one of those!!!

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:41 PM

littletimmy
Who / What are saint's

Sydney-based indie rock band.  Had some adherents in the indie/college/alt music scene back in the day (as did a band from Wales called the Alarm, made rather more famous by Ray Wylie Hubbard).

  • Member since
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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:49 PM

littletimmy
and "harvest" it's Organs

RAM cards and "daughter" sound/network boards are very handy and suggest of many possibilities.

The hard drive ought to cough up a couple of kidney-shaped Rare Earth magnets--which can offer many cool things (google "fun with rare earth magnets").

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:57 PM

If all else fails on the wiring front, shomebody over in Ships illuminated a man-o-war by using adhesive-backed copper tape, and used tiny bits of solder to fasten LEDs to same.

Just a thought.

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