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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 26, 2005 3:11 AM
Hi, Ketr. Screen size, ie, 1024 pixels wide, would be good. Either email me at okazaki(at)jikei.ac.jp or put a link here.
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Posted by Woody on Saturday, February 26, 2005 4:34 PM
Wow. This dorsal hump that contains the shuttle hanger is turning into a bit of a challenge. I thought I was happy with it until I saw somebody elses pics of a master he is making of the Avenger class(that's right I'm not the only one). I guess I'm picky because I've been immersed in this project for awhile now. His master has proportion problems compared to Masao's drawings and the shuttle bay housing on his is too blocky. I compared mine to his and realized I wasn't 100% happy with my hanger so I'm almost done with doing it all over again. Hopefully there will be pics tonight or tomorrow.Wink [;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:31 PM
Woody, if we ALL compared our work to Alfred Wong's(and his clones') we would all feel inferior. I mostly just drool at them in awe. Especially that 1/48th scale BSG shuttle. I'm gettin' that one! You might just e-mail him and ask him how he did it. I'm sure he'd give you some help. Your doing a better job than I could. Maybe take a break from it, don't look at it for a few days. come back to it fresh.........and stop beatin' yourself up already!!!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:39 PM
Remember that my schematics are 2-D constructs that may or may not accurately translate into 3-D objects. I do my best, but 3-D CGI modelers often find they have to change things. So, don't worry too much about 100% fidelity to my schematics.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:40 PM
Woody: Who else is making an Avenger, and where can we see it?
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Posted by Woody on Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:06 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Masao

Remember that my schematics are 2-D constructs that may or may not accurately translate into 3-D objects. I do my best, but 3-D CGI modelers often find they have to change things. So, don't worry too much about 100% fidelity to my schematics.

Well I love your design or I wouldn't be putting the effort into trying to reproduce it as it appears on your site. It's proportions are perfect to my eye.

Alfred Wong has been commisioned to produce masters.
http://www.alfredsmind.ca/commissions/samples6a.html
I thought it was you who did as it's your material. I'm usually a big fan of his work but I don't care for his version at all. I also don't like that it's a PL conversion to boot. Those nacelles don't look right at all.

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Posted by Woody on Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by StevenQ

Woody, if we ALL compared our work to Alfred Wong's(and his clones') we would all feel inferior. I mostly just drool at them in awe. Especially that 1/48th scale BSG shuttle. I'm gettin' that one! You might just e-mail him and ask him how he did it. I'm sure he'd give you some help. Your doing a better job than I could. Maybe take a break from it, don't look at it for a few days. come back to it fresh.........and stop beatin' yourself up already!!!Big Smile [:D]

That BSG shuttle is sweet and I'd love to have that Hawk fighter but I'm just a poor boy and will have to amuse myself with my homemade models. Wink [;)]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:11 PM
I'm not roling in it either but that one I'm saving up for. Of course I'm only guessing at a price. The Hawk is nice and I'd like the Scorpion too.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:00 PM
I visited SSM after visiting here and saw the link to Alfred Wong's master. It certainly wasn't me, since I'm just a poor university instructor. A friend of mine had actually asked Alfred about the cost of commissioning an Avenger but it was pretty high (based on a wel-above-minimum-wage hourly fee, as is appropriate).

The master comes with an alternate, non-Connie nacelle.
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Posted by Woody on Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:19 PM
I guess the fee wasn't too high. Tongue [:P]
Yeah I saw the optional nacelles but the TOS nacelles look bad to my eye. As a kit it is very nice looking. Unfortunatly this might cause my Avenger to not be released as a kit as I'm exchanging emails with Starship Modeler in hopes of them producing and selling a kit (kits-?) based on my Baton Rouge masters. I had hoped to do the same with the Avenger.Sad [:(] I'm sure they won't want to market two kits of the same ship in the same scale. I'm really pretty bummed about it.

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Posted by maxx1969 on Sunday, February 27, 2005 7:53 PM
You could always cut you sleep time down to 2 maybe 3 hours a night, drink tons of coffee and do your own garage kit of it. I'll sign up for one right now!!!Wink [;)] You are right about the nacelles though. The Connie ones look way wrongDisapprove [V]

Matt
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:59 PM
Krechet Class from Star Fleet Museum

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Posted by maxx1969 on Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:11 PM
Wow very cool images ketr, thanks for sharing those. So how long does it take to put a 3D image together?

Matt
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:46 PM
Depend on what you want, these days the sofware gives you so much control that sometimes you can lose yourself in the process, yet the steps are as follow: selct your subject, get as many reference as you can, model it in 3D, clean it, unwrap it for texturing, make the textures, put the textures in the 3d model, test the textures, light it and finally render it, of course you have to think in the backround for the image, that of course is another whole process, in all, in average about a week, but as I said, depends on your subject and of course in your skill, this model in particular is very easy to do because is made of a lot of simple "primitives", spheres, cylinders, etc.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 28, 2005 12:11 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Woody

I guess the fee wasn't too high. Tongue [:P]
Yeah I saw the optional nacelles but the TOS nacelles look bad to my eye. As a kit it is very nice looking. Unfortunatly this might cause my Avenger to not be released as a kit as I'm exchanging emails with Starship Modeler in hopes of them producing and selling a kit (kits-?) based on my Baton Rouge masters. I had hoped to do the same with the Avenger.Sad [:(] I'm sure they won't want to market two kits of the same ship in the same scale. I'm really pretty bummed about it.


I don't know who commissioned the master. All I know is that I wasn't consulted at all. I wonder if a fan ship-designer has any rights if a kit of his design is being manufactured and sold. I guess not.

Ketr: Thanks for sending the renders. If you have anything else, send them along!
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Posted by maxx1969 on Monday, February 28, 2005 1:19 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Masao

QUOTE: Originally posted by Woody

I guess the fee wasn't too high. Tongue [:P]
Yeah I saw the optional nacelles but the TOS nacelles look bad to my eye. As a kit it is very nice looking. Unfortunatly this might cause my Avenger to not be released as a kit as I'm exchanging emails with Starship Modeler in hopes of them producing and selling a kit (kits-?) based on my Baton Rouge masters. I had hoped to do the same with the Avenger.Sad [:(] I'm sure they won't want to market two kits of the same ship in the same scale. I'm really pretty bummed about it.


I don't know who commissioned the master. All I know is that I wasn't consulted at all. I wonder if a fan ship-designer has any rights if a kit of his design is being manufactured and sold. I guess not.


Well there is the good and bad of it. On the good side fan based art work and designs are protected by copyright laws. However the down side is that the legal cost in defending those rights combined with the laws of multiple countries would be so high it would hardly justify the expense.

That's why we are always seeing recast and unauthorized kit runs, the idea is they can get away with it just long enough to make a quick buck. The only people they do back down from is the ones they can't afford to fight i.e. Paramount or Lucus.

It is sad when you think how much is gained by something as simple as communication, just ask.

Matt
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Posted by Woody on Monday, February 28, 2005 6:05 AM
Ketr, Those are beautiful images. Cool [8D]Thumbs Up [tup]
I wish I had your talent so I could do similar images of my USS Kraken.

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 28, 2005 12:00 PM
I have a question -- is it better to make the kit look as close to the Museum imagery as possible, or can you vary it by "superdetailing" (well, you know what I mean) and the like?

The little D7 I am building is a cute kit, but even when cleaned up it will be pretty crude. Then again, so was the ship on TOS! If I start adding non-canon things to it to make it look a llittle more like a huge ship than a tiny toy, is that in the parameters? (What I would probably do is look at some of the K'Tinga stuff floating around out there and try to interpolate which of that stuff might have been on a more-detailed basic D7, if that's not too unclear.)

Don't be afraid to tell me no if it's not! I either get an easy build, or an interesting challenge -- either is fine with me. I've got a tank to finish, but after that it's back to the battlecruiser. Thanks.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 28, 2005 12:15 PM
thakyou vey much Woody, i'll be doing more ships from the Museum the designs from Masao are very cool
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Posted by Woody on Monday, February 28, 2005 12:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn

I have a question -- is it better to make the kit look as close to the Museum imagery as possible, or can you vary it by "superdetailing" (well, you know what I mean) and the like?

The little D7 I am building is a cute kit, but even when cleaned up it will be pretty crude. Then again, so was the ship on TOS! If I start adding non-canon things to it to make it look a llittle more like a huge ship than a tiny toy, is that in the parameters? (What I would probably do is look at some of the K'Tinga stuff floating around out there and try to interpolate which of that stuff might have been on a more-detailed basic D7, if that's not too unclear.)

Don't be afraid to tell me no if it's not! I either get an easy build, or an interesting challenge -- either is fine with me. I've got a tank to finish, but after that it's back to the battlecruiser. Thanks.

I say put what ever level of detail you want in your build. I personally like a detailed model. Do it which ever way makes you happy.Wink [;)]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 28, 2005 3:30 PM
Slow progress continues on the Torsk, and I'm distracting myself by building a Chowder as well. Consider this my official declaration! A picture is up at:
http://groups.msn.com/ModelersAndHobbyForum/starfleetmuseumrevisited.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=777
Andrew

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Posted by Woody on Monday, February 28, 2005 5:29 PM
Here are a couple pics of my shuttle bay section.






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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 28, 2005 6:16 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn

I have a question -- is it better to make the kit look as close to the Museum imagery as possible, or can you vary it by "superdetailing" (well, you know what I mean) and the like?

The little D7 I am building is a cute kit, but even when cleaned up it will be pretty crude. Then again, so was the ship on TOS! If I start adding non-canon things to it to make it look a llittle more like a huge ship than a tiny toy, is that in the parameters? (What I would probably do is look at some of the K'Tinga stuff floating around out there and try to interpolate which of that stuff might have been on a more-detailed basic D7, if that's not too unclear.)


If I were you, I'd detail as much as I could. My schematics are pretty basic, with greater emphasis on general outlines than on surface details. So, if you stick only with my schematics, you'll end up with a pretty boring model!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 28, 2005 6:25 PM
Andrew: Spoons! Whatever works for you.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 28, 2005 6:36 PM
The spoons aren't perfect, but they're close... And pretty easy to work with. I've made some dandy spats for a Flash Gordon rocketship out of them in the past. I really should just carve the warp pods out of balsa and vacuform them to do it right. I'll try one with the spoons and see whether it works. I will post some pictures! Some of the other parts I'm using are the nosecone from a Heller Ariane V, a mess of bombs of unknown origin, a tiny plastic cup, half of a planet from an educational toy, and a part from a concrete snap-tie.
Andrew

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 28, 2005 7:16 PM
Shuttlebay looks great Woody! Keep up the good work.
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Posted by maxx1969 on Monday, February 28, 2005 7:48 PM
Dang Woody the shuttle bay looks great!!! The bay door detail is outstandingBow [bow] Looks like your rework paid off.

Matt
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 28, 2005 7:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Woody

I guess the fee wasn't too high. Tongue [:P]
Yeah I saw the optional nacelles but the TOS nacelles look bad to my eye. As a kit it is very nice looking. Unfortunatly this might cause my Avenger to not be released as a kit as I'm exchanging emails with Starship Modeler in hopes of them producing and selling a kit (kits-?) based on my Baton Rouge masters. I had hoped to do the same with the Avenger.Sad [:(] I'm sure they won't want to market two kits of the same ship in the same scale. I'm really pretty bummed about it.

I sent a PM to LindaSmile at SSM. She said she didn't know anything about any kit of Avenger. Supposedly John Lester handles all the kit masters, but I haven't heard from him. I also sent an email to Alfred Wong but haven't heard back from him yet. I still don't know who's behind this.
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Posted by Woody on Monday, February 28, 2005 10:52 PM
It's amazing what you can do with plastic silverware. I keep several bags of different colors in my supply cabinet.

Thanks for the kind words about the shuttle bay.Big Smile [:D]

Masao, That whole situation is very strange.

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 28, 2005 11:03 PM
Sounds like toes are being stepped on. Ouch! I hope its resolved.
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