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Identify This!!! 1.0

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Posted by RickF on Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:57 PM

Lovely print, searat. Here's another beautiful ship

 

One of a class of 13 RN ships, she was launched in 1889, converted into a minesweeper in 1909 and lost in a collision in the Firth of Clyde in 1918. Class, type and name?

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Posted by searat12 on Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:10 AM

Hooray!!!  Nothin' like a little joggle of the mind to get a straightforward answer to a straightforward question!  Here's a print of the ship as completed, and the next question is yours!

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Posted by RickF on Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:05 AM

You're right, searat, that last clue was a giveaway! She's the Spanish ironclad Numancia, built at La Seyne in 1863 and the first ironclad warship to circumnavigate the globe, under Casto Méndez Núñez (1865-68).

Rick

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Posted by searat12 on Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:43 AM
Still no thoughts?  Alright, here is the last hint (and it should be a giveaway!); the ship is Spanish.....
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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:29 AM
Here's the first hint:  It was built in one country for another country, and the country it was built in is France......
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Posted by searat12 on Monday, March 9, 2009 11:26 AM

Since we are on about ironclads, here's another one!

What is the name of this ship, and what 'first' is it known for?

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Posted by GeorgeW on Monday, March 9, 2009 10:06 AM
Bellerophon is correct, her last commission as Flagship of the North American and West Indies station. She had a main battery of 8 inch breech loading guns.
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Posted by searat12 on Monday, March 9, 2009 8:50 AM
The bow doesn't look right for HMS Warrior or HMS Black Prince, and this must be a later ship.  The combination clipper and ram bow is pretty unique, so initially I would say it was a 'Lord Cyde' class,  HMS Lord Warden, which differed from HMS Lord Clyde, which had a standard ram bow.  But looking at the number of yards on the masts, I would have to say that this is in fact HMS Bellerophon!
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Posted by surfsup on Monday, March 9, 2009 6:49 AM
 I do believe that she may be HMS Warrior.

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Posted by GeorgeW on Monday, March 9, 2009 4:37 AM

A more straightforward one that shouldn't present too much of a problem.

What is her name?

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Posted by GeorgeW on Sunday, March 8, 2009 7:35 AM

 

Time's up, here's the answer. 

The reason Warrior was brought alongside the quay at Woolwich rather than being moored in the River as was usual, is that it allowed the installation of gas lighting, the only hulk to have it.

It must have made life a little better below decks, but not much, I do not know the specific cause of the mutiny that took place in 1851, put down by Royal Marines, but life on hulks was very harsh.

My last two response posts included references to enlightened, and seeing the light which I thought may have given a final lead.

I will return with a replacement poser 'ere long.

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Posted by scorpr2 on Saturday, March 7, 2009 11:02 PM
Shall we say "facilities"?   i.e. a pot to******in and so forth.
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Posted by GeorgeW on Saturday, March 7, 2009 1:55 AM

A laundry would no doubt have been of great benefit, but that's not it.

One more chance to see the light before all is revealed, to bring this one to a close I will post the answer this time tomorrow.

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Posted by searat12 on Friday, March 6, 2009 8:10 PM
I think you might be surprised... Alright then, a laundry!
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Posted by GeorgeW on Friday, March 6, 2009 7:06 PM

I'm not sure they were that enlightened in mid Victorian England, this improvement was more of a utilitarian nature, something that was becoming more common in general, but not otherwise  on  prison hulks.

 

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Posted by searat12 on Friday, March 6, 2009 6:15 PM
I believe it had something to do with providing education for prisoners (taught to read, and/or a trade), and was an important early step in prison reform.... so perhaps the ship was modified to provide for a sort of library/lecture area
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Posted by GeorgeW on Friday, March 6, 2009 11:07 AM

She is indeed HMS Warrior, a prison hulk until 1851, when following a mutiny on board, the prisoners were sent to Millbank Prison and she was subsequently sold off being broken up in 1857.

She is pictured alongside the quay at Woolwich, necessary for the unique modification made, that John Howard, the eighteenth century prison reformer, would have considered gave some improvement to the miserable lives of the inmates.

A thought perhaps not shared by the prisoners in view of the mutiny.

Anyone care to have a stab at the final part of the question before I reveal the answer.

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Posted by searat12 on Friday, March 6, 2009 10:03 AM

I think this is a picture of HMS Warrior, a 74 built in 1781, later commanded by William Bligh.  The ship was a convict hulk after 1840, and was broken up in 1857.  I haven't clue what sort of 'conversion' was done in 1847, or how 'John Howard' was involved, but she she was in The Battle of the Saintes in 1782.  A later HMS Warrior was the first ironclad warship, but it wasn't the ship in the picture, nor did it have any other association other than its name.

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Posted by surfsup on Friday, March 6, 2009 4:00 AM
 Did she also become a stage for the First production of HMS Pinafore?

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Posted by surfsup on Friday, March 6, 2009 3:30 AM
Looking at the size of her, She has to be one of the fist rate Ships of about 90 guns. She could be any of the Barfluer, the Duke, the Prince George or the Namur. For some reason, I am leaning towards the Prince George. I read about this Battle and the Ships histories but cannot put my finger on it.

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Posted by GeorgeW on Thursday, March 5, 2009 6:57 AM

You have the battle surfsup, but not the ship.

Rodney's Formidable incidently was broken up at Chatham in 1816.

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Posted by surfsup on Thursday, March 5, 2009 4:57 AM
 I would hazard a guess and say it was Admiral Rodney's flagship HMS Formidable. 1782 was the clue for the Battle of the Saints in the West Indies. But I have no idea what else happened to her after the battle.

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Posted by GeorgeW on Thursday, March 5, 2009 2:17 AM

This one seems to be presenting some problems, so some additional clues.

You could say her one time Captain was up to his old tricks again.

Our ship missed the big naval event of the early 19th century, and shortly after the end of the Napoleonic wars was taken out of sea going service.

Her post naval career exceeded the length of her naval career, and it is during this time that she is portrayed.

A certain Mr John Howard would no doubt have approved of the unique modification she underwent in 1847.

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Posted by searat12 on Saturday, February 28, 2009 12:43 PM
Hmm... This looks more like some sort of prison hulk to me...
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Posted by GeorgeW on Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:35 AM

Not a bad ranging shot Crackers, you're sort of on the right track concerning her one time Captain, but it's the ship name we're after and the unique feature she had late in her career.

It would help to first identify the battle, then the ship type, that should lead to a name with the appropriate history.

 

 

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Posted by crackers on Saturday, February 28, 2009 12:14 AM

  I'll take a long shot guess and say that you are referring to Captain Peter Heywood. Early in his career, as a midshipman, he was implicated in the Bounty mutiny affair. He was later absolved and became a successful captain in the Royal Navy. Eventually, Captain Heywood was in command of the Leopard which led Chesapeake-Leopard incident in 1807, with other acts, led to the War of 1812. The Leopard was converted into a troopship and wrecked on Anticosti Island, on the Saint Lawrence River, in June 28, 1814.

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Posted by woodburner on Friday, February 27, 2009 5:57 PM
[whistling . . . ]
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Posted by GeorgeW on Monday, February 16, 2009 3:37 AM

Steady on there crackers, you'll have me blushing Wink [;)]

This one is perhaps a little more testing.

Here I am in much reduced circumstances, my glory days long past. I fought in a major battle in 1782, and later I was commanded by a Captain of certain notoriety, butI did achieve one small first late in my career.

Who am I?

What was my first?

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Posted by crackers on Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:19 PM

   George W, you are correct ! Please step forward to receive an hysterical thunderous applause from the Forum audience. You deserve recognition for your knowledge.

           The floor is yours for your pictorial question.

   Montani semper liberi !  Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                       Crackers   Angel [angel]

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Posted by GeorgeW on Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:58 AM

Samuel Plimsoll was the man who became famous for campaigning to get the Merchant Shipping Act of 1871 amended to include load lines on ships, so I would imagine the ship is named after him.

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