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Posted by crackers on Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:41 PM

    Named after a British Member of Parliment, who introduced legislation that required the painting of cargo load limits on the hulls of merchants ships, this sailing vessel was launched in 1873. This ironed hull vessel, painted green ,was employed by the Aberdeen White Star Line for the transport of mail and emigrants from Plymouth, England to Sydney, Australia. Returning back to England, she often carried bales of raw wool for the English woolen industry. After more than 20 round trips, this vessel in June of 1902, had the misfortune of loosing her masts in a violent storm. A passing steamship towed the hapless vessel to Gisborne, New Zealand where she was declaired unfit for further service. She ended her days as a coal barge in Fremantle, Australia.

           Can you name this beautiful windjammer that changed the lives of thousand of emigrants from the British Isles ?

         Montani semper liberi !    Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                                 Crackers  Angel [angel]

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by woodburner on Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:26 PM
Now see who's smart as a whip!

Thats right, this is the Barents expedition, stuck in the ice in Nova Zembla. They are also given full scientific credit for the first recorded observation of the "Nova Zembla Effect," an atmospheric phenomenon.

The illustration is from DeVeer's "De Waerachtige Beschryvanghe van drie seylagian, ter werelt noyt so vreemt ghehoort . . " published by Cornilis Claesz in Amsterdam in 1598.

The expedition had the misfortune of seeking a northern passage during the depth of what is now known as the Little Ice Age, when temperatures were considerably colder than today. Other expeditions had even worse fates, with the loss of all hands.

The small jacht in DeVeer's illustration has been reconstructed in Ab Hoving and Cor Emke's book "Het Schip van Willem Barents: Een Hypothetische Reconstructie van een Laat-Zestiende-Eeuws Jacht." By following the illustrations, and ship practices of the time, they developed a full set of plans, included in a CD attached to the book. I dont read Dutch very well, but its one of my top favorites.

Take it away, its all yours!
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Posted by crackers on Friday, February 13, 2009 11:50 PM

  That picture is from a journal published in 1599 of the voyage of the Dutch explorer, Willem Barents, who tried to explore a northwest passage over the top of Europe and Asia. His efforts ended in his death and 20 of his crewmen from scurvy, when they were stranded on the Russian island of Novaya Zemlya after their ship was crushed in the polar ice. A dozen survivors managed to return to Amsterdam 17 months later after they built a small boat and sailed to a trading post on the Russian mainland. The Barents Sea is named after this explorer.

     Montani semper liberi !  Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                          Crackers  Angel [angel]

              

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by woodburner on Friday, February 13, 2009 12:43 PM
Here is a jacht similar to Duyfken, in another terra ingonita. Her name is not known, so she is commonly referred to by the name of her commander - i.e., so and so's jacht. Who is he and where are they?

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Posted by crackers on Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:15 AM

    Woodburner and bryan01, please advance forward to the front of the class to receive a spontaneous ovation from the Forum members. You are correct. The original Duyfken (Little Dove) employed by the Vereenigde Oost Indische Compagnie, or VOC, sailed east from Banda Island in 1606, searching for the fabled land of Terra Australis Incognita. Nearly four centuries later, the Duyfken replica sailed from modern Australia to retrace the route to the spice islands of Banda, in modern Indonesia.

                  Sorry, I could not post a picture of the Duyfkin. Can't figure out why this happened.

                   Woodburner, you have the floor for your question.

        Montani semper liberi !   Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                                      Crackers   Angel [angel]

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by woodburner on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:47 PM
The VOC ship Duyfken, purchased from a ship broker in 1602.

She was a small jacht, of about 50-60 last, used for scouting and light duty, assigned to local work in the East Indies. Her captain and crew accidentally discovered the Australian continent in 1606. I think she was worn out and broken up between 1612 and 1618.

This ship is the second Duyfken to work for the VOC, with the first sailing in the 1595 Amsterdam fleet under Cornilis de Hautman.

The Freemantle Duyfken replica is in my mind the absolute best for a ship of this era, truly right on target. Here she is in the North Sea - amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlihilYmpao

BTW, if anyone knows how to post a link that will open, please let me know . .

Jim
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Posted by bryan01 on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:07 PM

I'll take a guess anyway, must be Duyfken!

 

Bryan
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Posted by searat12 on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:17 PM
The photo is not coming through.....
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Posted by crackers on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:36 PM

       This question can be directed to bryan01, but can be answered by anyone.

   This replica vessel was the first European ship to sight the coastline of Australia in the year 1606. What is her name, and what company did she work for ?

       Montani semper liberi !  Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                            Crackers  Angel [angel]

 

 

      

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by Surface_Line on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:09 AM

It most certainly is.  Thank you for ending my misery quickly.  It just occurs to me that I have a different photo of her that I took when I visited Portsmouth in 1984 and she was anchored out in the stream, waiting for her future.  At that time I had no idea what ship I was looking at.

Rick

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Posted by crackers on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:02 AM

  Is that a photo of the restored frigate Trincomalee, formally known as the Foudroyant, now on display at the Hartlepool's Historic Quay in England ?

   Montani semper liberi !  Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                    Crackers  Angel [angel]

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by Surface_Line on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:37 AM
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Posted by sharkbait on Sunday, February 8, 2009 6:19 PM

No more telephone calls! Ladies and Gentlemen; we have a winner!

Surface Line is correct on both counts.

The book " The Serpent's Coil. " by Canadian author Farley Mowat is, in my opinion, one of the best sea tales around.

His book "Grey Seas Under" about the salvage tug Foundation Franklin in the 30's and 40's is also a riviting read. Both are available on amazon.

Your turn Surface Line.

 

You have never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3!

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Posted by Surface_Line on Sunday, February 8, 2009 9:44 AM

Leicester?

Rescued by the Foundation Josephine.

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Posted by sharkbait on Saturday, February 7, 2009 11:15 PM

Good Guess but St Roch was made of wood and a tad bit smaller.

Here is the "Damsel in Distress" of the drama. The whole shebang ended up in Bermuda, on the rocks. One of the great salvage tales.

You have never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3!

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Posted by ddp59 on Saturday, February 7, 2009 12:53 PM
R.C.M. P. vessel St. Roch
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Posted by sharkbait on Saturday, February 7, 2009 1:53 AM

 This ship is the main subject of a well known Canadian book.

 

You have never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3!

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Posted by bryan01 on Friday, February 6, 2009 10:53 AM

Yep, that's exactly what Arie Evergroen did with his ship Twee Gebroeders (Two Brothers). And by doing so he probably saved up to a hundred thousand(!) lives. The hole in the dike along the IJssel was about initially 15 m (45 ft) wide and his ship was 18 m long. Hadn't it been for Mr. Evergroen then a huge area of Holland, including Rotterdam, The Hague, Delft and Gouda, would have been flooded in 30 ft of water (see map).

Well done Sharkbait, you're next!

 

Bryan
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Posted by sharkbait on Friday, February 6, 2009 9:16 AM

Not "Flying Enterprise"

SO

My guess is he stuck his ship into a broken dike - much more effective than a thumb.

You have never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3!

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Posted by bryan01 on Friday, February 6, 2009 7:37 AM

Ok, thank you Searat! Here's another one. This time a Dutch picture taken in 1953.

The skipper of this ship is considered a national hero in The Netherlands. What did he do?

 

Bryan
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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, February 5, 2009 8:24 PM
Well now I AM flummoxed!  As a U-Boat Captain, i would certainly have torpedoed this ship and claimed a battleship for my pains.... A form of Q-ship, by the powers!  I judge myself well-fooled, so give us another one!
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Posted by bryan01 on Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:12 PM

Well done Searat! By giving us these names you may call yourself the winner although the ship pictured isn't HMS Collingwood, nor St. Vincent, nor Vanguard!

Confused? That was the intention. The ship pictured is actually the SS Perthsire made to look like HMS Vanguard. She was one of the Royal Navy's dummy battleships; ex-merchant vessels, converted in 1914 to make them look like British battleships and battlecruisers & thus fooling German intelligence and Naval Command.

Other ships disguised this way were: City of Oxford/St Vincent, Michigan/Collingwood, Montezuma/Iron Duke, Ruthenia/King George V, Tyrolia/Centurion, Oruba/Orion (pictured below), Mount Royal/Marlborough, Montcalm/Audacious, Princess/Ajax, Cevic/Queen Mary, Manipur/Indomitable, Patrician/Invincible & Merion/Tiger.

Your next Searat!

 

Bryan
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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:36 PM

Then it can only be either HMS Collingwood, St Vincent, or Vanguard, completed in 1910.  As far as I know, these are the only British battleships with wing turrets and two masts, with the aft turrets 'in-line'.....

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Posted by bryan01 on Wednesday, February 4, 2009 4:09 PM

No, sorry, neither one of those.

 

Bryan
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Posted by searat12 on Wednesday, February 4, 2009 3:45 PM
Hard to tell specifically, but it is either HMS Bellerophon, Superb, or Temeraire (all the same class, all completed in 1909)....
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Posted by bryan01 on Wednesday, February 4, 2009 2:23 PM

Thank you Rick. Ok, new one:

 

Bryan
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Posted by Surface_Line on Wednesday, February 4, 2009 10:34 AM

Yes indeed, the OSV Peter W Anderson,now sleeping with the fishes.

 Formerly USS Antelope (PGM-86) of the Asheville class.  As OSV Peter W Anderson she served as one of two major (?) vessels belonging to the Environmental Protection Agency.  She was modified in appearance several times while in EPA service.

 

Your turn, Bryan.
Rick

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Posted by bryan01 on Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:07 AM

Is it the OSV Peter W. Anderson?

 

Bryan
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Posted by onyxman on Wednesday, February 4, 2009 7:00 AM
Some kind of research vessel, looks kind of like the Tommy Thompson from U-dub, but not quite.  The blue stripe suggests a government rather than a university, but it's not NOAA's color scheme and it looks like an American flag at the stern.  I'm stumped.
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Posted by Surface_Line on Monday, February 2, 2009 10:27 PM

Sorry for the delay.

I hope this is OK.

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