Identify This!!! 1.0

Aquitania of the 1880s. 

You're correct Jim! Interesting story.

(From a website: Her commercial career ended when World War I began seven years later. At sea on 31 July, only 900 miles from reaching Plymouth, Kronprinzessin Cecile was ordered to return to the United States with her 1,216 passengers. (She was also carrying over $14 million in gold and silver destined to pay American industrial borrowings from British and French banks.) During the crossing, the tops of her buff funnels were painted black in an effort to disguise the ship as White Star's Olympic. She arrived at Bar Harbor, Maine, on 4 August and, after her passengers disembarked and the gold and silver were unloaded, she remained there for six weeks, guarded by a Coast Guard cutter and two destroyers. She was then escorted to Boston, where she was interned until the United States entered the war in 1917.)

You're next Jim!

In fact it was Kronprinzessen Cecilie.  

Close, but not there yet.

The ship in the picture was also at sea on the day the British ultimatum expired. A few days later the residents of a small coastal town in the United States were surprised to find the Olympic anchored in their harbor.

That's the answer Bryan, with our recent exhaustive teach-in on marine power I would have been disappointed if you'd passed on that one

As far as the new picture is concerned there is definitely a teutonic look about her, but there were several of those four stackers around the turn of the century, and several had interesting times around August 1914 when the First World war began.

I'll have a stab at Kaiser Wilhelm 11 detained in USA when she arrived following her transatlantic voyage started before war was declared.

GeorgeW wrote:

.....but she did have a first for a major battleship. Care to fill in the blank?

Found it: she was the first oil-fuelled battleship in the world!

New picture:

Small clue, the picture was taken in August 1914, note the black funnel tops!

I think it is the Russian battleship Rostislav 1896. The colors of the funnels made me think she might be Russian.

In 1909 she accidentally sunk the Russian submarine Karas. In 1920 she was scuttled by the Mensheviks in order to prevent capture by the Bolsheviks.

Thanks Jim,

Here's a fine looking vessel, who is she, and what is special about her?

This liner was designed by the same man who built a famous racing vessel. The sound of a nightingale could be heard on board. 

Something strange is going on here!? I received an e-mail with the following content:

Posted By: woodburner in Ships
Subject: Re: Identify This!!! 1.0
Thats the french warship Valmy, commissioned in 1849.
Jim

But where did it go??? Never mind. The answer is right, Valmy it is. You're next Jim!

Well, because of the "speed question" I am into ocean liners of course but your picture still required some searching.

New picture:

Is it the Guion Line Oregon 1883 lost after a collision in 1886?

This should be up for a quick answer.

And Victoria and Albert III it is! Isn't she a handsome ship? I would sure love to build a model of her.

Well done George, you're next!

Ok, new one. No clues yet, just the picture.

Absolutely. The Greyhound she is. 

Is it the Greyhound?

Here is a design study for a pinnace. In later years it would be classified as a sixth rate, also a frigate. It represents a light, fast ship with a 66 foot keel, a 20.3 breadth, and a 7.8 depth of hold.  It may be a study for an actual ship Pett designed and built in 1635-36. The question is to identify the actual ship this drawing appears to be a design study for.

Pett's ship had a 60 foot keel instead of a 66 foot keel whilst depth of hold and breadth remained the same. As originally fitted in 1636, the ship was armed with 12 guns, later increased to 18 and then 20. It is also likely she was rebuilt over time.

The actual ship had an adventurous life, seeing battle in the Anglo Dutch wars at Goodwin Sand and Dungeness in 1652, where she carried 20 guns.  Lost in action in June, 1656 when overwhelmed by Dunkirkers in the North Sea. 

woodburner wrote:

Oh, thats the second Mauritania.

That sounds so casual Woodburner, it almost hurts

I was quite sure most people would have thought it was RMS Queen Elizabeth! But you're right; it's the second Mauretania 1938.

You're next Woodburner!

Not a bad guess now that you mention it, but no. Sorry George, try again!

To save searat any brain ache,  may I put forward the German liner Europa, later the French liner Liberte as the ship in question.

searat12 wrote:

And I fully admit I know next to nothing about liners or cruise ships!

Ah, well, in that case this one is for you

Please gentlemen, don't let this argument ruin an, otherwise, nice thread! Especially on the day that your nation, and perhaps the whole world, move to a new and hopefully better era!

I was planning on writing a fun, sarcastic reply about how easy it was to identify this ship but now I feel it is best to refrain from doing that.

Searat, I have to be honest with you. The picture itself wasn't what made think it was USS Brooklyn. Just like Subfixer said before me, there are just not enough clues in it to come to that conclusion. Maybe it has for someone with expert knowledge of that period in the US Navy. But that doesn't apply to me. I'm not the pre-dreadnought meister (thank you George).

I just know how to connect things and how to find stuff! When you said this was of one of your very favoritest pre-dreadnought ships I had the suspicion you might already have stated that opinion somewhere else on this forum. So I looked at the 1/350 kits we all would like to see! thread (which you yourself started) and voila....there it was:

20 Nov 2008, Searat12: USS Brooklyn ACR 3 (my favorite predreadnought!) Then I noticed the filename of your picture: bro.jpg. That did the trick for me. So you see, no magic, no knowledge, no miracle, just common sense. Sorry!