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  • Member since
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  • From: Ludwigsburg Germany
Posted by dafi on Thursday, May 26, 2016 3:15 PM
 
Here comes the next goody ...
 
... changed the orientation of the z-twist-ropes, used the heavy tools to fiddle the bits as ship shape as possible ...
 
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... got happy about the results ...
 
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Next came the never ending discussion about the ratlines ...
 
... and off we go ...
 
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... as I am doing all my rigging out of fly fishing yarn, I was free to try ratlines in different sizes and colors.
 
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Seen by scale, the one in the middle it should be. But done out of 2 x Caenis 20/0 it is a bit too stiff for the job and only available in deepest black.
 
Underneath for comparison my usual 4-thread- 8/0 yarn, good to mix color and great to put in form, but too thick for my taste.
The two lines on top are 2-thread-8/0and fits much better size wise, ok to fit but more restricted color wise.
 
Still having the old discussion in my ear about the tarred ratlines, I believe most of them are either to dark or too light, I would personally expect in this case a much lighter brown from the stockholm tar. Already my shrouds have a dark brown touch for that reason, the lines should be more light.
 
So still have to try a bit to get the right tan ...
 
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Cheers, Daniel
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Posted by kirill4 on Thursday, May 26, 2016 5:06 PM

Hi Daniel,

rattling...Very familiar matter to me! :))) recently was busy with it as well... You did Good job!!! looks nice!!!

Good luck!

All the best!

Kirill

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Posted by cerberusjf on Friday, May 27, 2016 5:09 AM

Hi Dafi,

this is a most interesting build, I was wondering about the caenis, is it made from 2 strands of 20/0 wound together?  I think it looks very good :)

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Posted by dafi on Friday, May 27, 2016 5:33 AM

Yes the middle line from the befor last picture is 2 lines of Caenis. I have a small rope walk and it actually gives a good effect to make a two stranded "rope" out of it. All the fly fish yarn has the same appearence as tooth floss, means being flat and uneven. By making rope out of it, it becomes much more even but does almost not gain thickness in the appearence.

Also it is to be handled much more controled than the caenis "à la nature", so it is easier to knot, to make slacks into it and the overall look is much more realistic.

But as the Caenis 20/0 is only available in black and white, I will use normal 8/0 fly fishing yarn as the naked eye does not really see the difference in thickness in this 1:100 case.

Doing so I can mix the colors of the strands in the colors tan, rusty dun, camel and black, suiting the wanted degree of tarring.

Hope this helps. 

XXXDAn

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Posted by dafi on Friday, May 27, 2016 7:17 AM
And finally was able to use the new clamps from my etch sheet ...
 
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... and finished the first two big dead eyes.
 
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Ship shape und Bristol fashion enough for the scale?
 
But as always, there is the easy road and there is dafi`s way ...
 
... could have adjusted the clamps so easily before putting the shrouds in place ...
 
... so had to fiddle the eleven clamps in on the display ...
 
... to make it sufficiently hard, I also replaced the first two fixed ones by the smaller size ...
 
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... easy way - kiddies way ...
 
... I´m no kiddy!
 
XXXDAn
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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, May 30, 2016 2:23 PM

Hmmmm.

 All this nice work and still , I have to ask . Does anyone know what measurement is used for a " Fathom "? Hint; It's still used somewhere today .  T.B.

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, May 30, 2016 2:35 PM

A fathom is six feet.

Some years ago my father and I took a vacation trip to Charleston, South Carolina. Dad and I were both baseball fans, so one nice summer evening we went out to the Charleston ballpark to watch the town's A-level minor league team. Nice little stadium, down near the waterfront.

I was baffled by the numbers painted on the outfield fence in the corners, the center, and the power alleys. They seemed ridiculously low for a professional field - whether in feet or meters. I said something to Dad about it; he couldn't make sense of the numbers either. A lady sitting behind us overheard the conversation and revealed the secret: "They got a Navy guy to paint the numbers, and he used fathoms."

I wonder if any other baseball stadium in the world has outfield fences marked in fathoms.

For what little it's worth - the very best ratline material I've ever found is nickel-chromium wire. It's stiff enough to be "sagged" gently between the shrouds, but soft enough to be tied in a clove hitch. More than thirty years ago a friend gave me a spool with several miles of the stuff on it. I won't use it up in this lifetime. It's what I used for the ratlines on my 1/128 Hancock; I'm pretty satisfied with the results. Here's a link: http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/p/155391/1678665.aspx#1678665 .

Bluejacket sells some fine copper wire that's almost as good for the purpose. I've tried tying it in a clove hitch too; it works fine. Here's a link: http://www.bluejacketinc.com/fittings/fittings11.htm . It's listed as "stanchion wire." I'm sure some similar material is easily available in Europe.

Dafi, could you tell us where you get your figures? I think I recognize at least one of them as a deserter from a Revell kit (those early Revell figures were masterpieces of the miature sculptor and the pantograph machine), but what about the others?

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, May 30, 2016 6:21 PM

Tanker - Builder

Hmmmm.

 All this nice work and still , I have to ask . Does anyone know what measurement is used for a " Fathom "? Hint; It's still used somewhere today .  T.B.

 

I know you know the depth part. I don't fathom your question though.

Mines? Old hydrography charts?

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by dafi on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:04 AM

Mining was my guess too and ...

... burials - 1 fathom deep means 6 feet under at land.

And what I learnd in this context, to bury the dead in the sea, six fathoms were required, hence the exclamation "to deep six" to be able to discard someting. Luckily this thread is called by the deep 17 ;-)

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Posted by dafi on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 1:28 PM
I ran into troubles, almost ...
 
... stealing some hair clamps from the admirality  and shortening them so they are less heavy and less lever action is taking it´s toll.
 
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The foremost shroud is served but unlike the Vic in P. the serving stops atop the deadeye so it fits better the literature.
 
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The clamps are fixed with a drop of CA and then bound with fly fishing yarn.
 
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And here I have a small stage win :-)
 
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Cheers, Daniel
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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, June 2, 2016 2:42 PM

Hello;

  I won't tell you , but I think this it out of our depth in fact . LOL.LOL.  T.B.

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Posted by dafi on Friday, June 3, 2016 6:48 AM
And once things are moving ...
 
... keep things moving :-)
 
Set up both second backstays ...
 
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... now just missing the *** (*) backstay.
 
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And holy Impatience, wanted to see the anchors in place ...
 
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... the lead is thrown ...
 
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... and *enjoy*
 
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XXXDAn
 
 
LOL!!!
(*) Hillareous, the forum software edits the nautical term :-) :-) :-)
Just find another word for female bust ...
 
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Posted by dafi on Friday, June 10, 2016 11:21 AM
Old chaps never change ...
 
... already looking a long time at the gunport lid lanyards ...
 
... usually I tend to do the details a tad smaller than a tad too big ...
 
... but this time it was just a little bit toooooooo much under dimensioned, as I took the thinnest yarn ...
 
... first looking already much toooooo thin and then on top I got a big blop on the ring as it is too thin to do a decent splice ...
 
... and here we have mark 1 on the right and the new mark 2 on the left ...
 
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... already looking better.
 
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Just eleven more to replace ...
 
Then it started with the unhappiness about a ball of glue ...
 
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... but also the 2 cored 0,15 mm lanyard appeared too thin, was too unstable and did not allow a decent splice without breaking the material. 
 
The new 4 cored 0,2 mm looks much better and is easy to splice. That is why I went down the road again ...
 
... this was already shown, a blackend wire around a needel and cut open for the rings.
 
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To fix the rings I used two pointed pliers (less carpetmonster-danger than tweezers!) opened the ring and in the same go - without letting go - hooked into the eyebolt and closed it.
 
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Now I continued differently: Pierced the 4 cored lanyard with a sharpened needle ... 
 
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... pushed the needle through down to the eye, put the short end through the ring on the eyebolt ...
 
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... and then through the eye and pulled it through. Took the thread out of the needle to be more free, pierced the lanyard from the other side, pushed the needle in down to the eye, introduced the free end ...
 
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... and pulled again and the splice is done.
 
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Secured with a drop of glue, cut neatly and things are done.
 
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After taking down the old lanyards I realised that the old tube was stuck with glue and junk, inner Diameter smaller than 3 mm, but my smallest drill 3 mm and did not fit.
 
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So I sanded a square point onto the drill which worked marvelously on the tiny tubes :-)
 
And things looked much less messy than before :-)
 
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Some touch-ups on the paint will follow with time.
 
 
And then finally all the lanyards replaced :-)
 
While doing this I felt a bit observed untill I remembered a long forgotten detail :-)
 
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XXXDAn
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Posted by Xena on Monday, June 13, 2016 4:08 AM

Bow Down brilliant,   absolutely brilliant!!!

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, June 13, 2016 4:30 AM

you never cease to amaze me dafi , I would love to have half your skill .Bow Down

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Monday, June 13, 2016 9:54 AM

Clever, meticulous craftsmanship of professional ilk.

Bow Down

Mike

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Hector Berlioz

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Posted by dafi on Monday, June 13, 2016 11:02 AM

Thank you Sirs, very appreciated!

 

Going Bananas ?
 
Going Bananas !
 
Going Bananas !!!
 
:-)
 
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Yes, it has to do with my build :-) But what is it ?!?
 
XXXDAn
 
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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, June 13, 2016 10:42 PM
Warum werden Sie Bananen sind? Plantain ne Gumbo pas cuire サルは私のにバナナを食べ (Saru wa watashi no ni banana o tabe)
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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 13, 2016 11:52 PM

??? Harry Belafonte ????

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by dafi on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:56 AM

BANANNNA!

Not quire yet, thank you for trying, but meanwhile ...

 

 

... it is time fore shake-rattle-and-roll!

 
To add a new shade to the old black-and white discussion, I would like to widen up the discussion. Classically the two colors used by model makers for the british ships is a neutral pitch-black for the standing rigging or natural hemp for the running parts. As stockholm tar has a more brownish color, I already added a brown touch to my shrouds.
 
The contemporary literature mentions the ratlines as "tarred". Also the hammock netting and the cover over it is mentioned to be tarred. But does it mean that it was black? We had some interesting discussions in our german forum segelschiffsmodellbau.com with the remark, that it was also used to impregnate cloth to wear :-0
 
So I opted for a shade that is darker than the natural hemp but much lighter than the dark shrouds. So I mixed the two of them.
 
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The thickness was already tested out quite a while ago and I found a thickness suitable for both looks and handling.
 
So I took my tart section and placed a template behind the shrouds - have a look at the shortened hair clips - my girly is gonna kill me ;-)
 
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The template proved to be to thick in the lines, couldn´t see my lines properly ...
 
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... so replaced it with a newer version where a filmsy line in an apart softgreen trhat proved to be more suitable. Also I used the hint not to rattle up (or better saying down) in one go, but to always half the distances to avoid the curving in of the outer shrouds. 
 
So it got slowly more and more full ...
 
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... the backstays are bend out of the way, there are rumors of modelers rattling them in also ...
 
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The lower lines were tough, had to find a logical way to work my way through, remembering in which row they were done on the original. As the ratlines were the last items, so they had to go over everything.
But even this mess I managed to clear considerably :-)
 
And then comes the point of taking out the guiding template.
 
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Still had to clear the half hitches of the outer shrouds and arrange the sagging ...
 
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... and up they can go :-)
 
XXXDAn
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Posted by cerberusjf on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:43 PM

dafi

Thank you Sirs, very appreciated!

 

Going Bananas ?
 
Going Bananas !
 
Going Bananas !!!
 
:-)
 
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Yes, it has to do with my build :-) But what is it ?!?
 
XXXDAn
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHthhhPxHfo
 

Is it something for twisting/tightening ropes?

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Posted by dafi on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:55 PM

Good try, but the "banana" is no puddening either:-)

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Posted by dafi on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:56 PM
BannnnnnAnnnnna!
 
And here we go with my banana ...
 
... small but important detail: As the man with the lead has no hand to hold himself, he uses a *** belt that is fixed in between the lanyards of the deadeyes.
 
And here he hangs in his belt, throwing the lead far to the front, while the line runs quickly through his fingers, him watching the marks, 2 fathoms leather with 2 stripes, 3 fathoms leather with 3 stripes, 5 fathoms white, 7 fathoms red, 10 fathoms leather with hole 13 fathoms blue, 15 fathoms white, 17 fathoms red  - the line stops, the lead is on the ground, one can hear the chant "By the deep 17".
 
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Cheers, BannnnAnnnnaDAn
 
 
 
PS: And again automatic censorship, just replace the *** by the commen word of the bust ;-)
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Posted by cerberusjf on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:11 PM

Brilliant!!   Well done dafibanana!

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Posted by dafi on Friday, June 17, 2016 3:20 AM
Thank you cerberusjf.
 
 
The nice thing on such a model is, that one has so many small projects in their own sense, and I believe it to be pure coincidence, that they form a bigger model in the end ;-)
 
Blocks for ...
 
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... yet another shifting backstay ...
 
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... and the tye for the top mast yard.
 
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As everything was well planned before execution, I had to drill some holes in hidden places, so my barbecue skewer drill was asked for, here 0,7 mm it also sets the scale in the picture ...
 
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... and new parts already fixed, to be seen in the second row, or to hardly be seen because mostly hidden and unsharp.
 
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Here is the new grammatical comparisson: tight-more tight-I love it :-)
 
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And yes, one more thing, the main tack is also in place.
 
Grüßle, DAniel
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Posted by dafi on Friday, June 17, 2016 12:24 PM
And here we go again for the big things in life ...
 
...
 
... a bit of sprue of 4 mm, a hole of 2 mm drilled in the middle, one pick glued on each side, slowly warmed up on top of a candle and very sloooooooooowly pulled ...
 
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... cut to length, and rewidened the holes using broken 0,3 and 0,5 mm drills:
 
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Used a wire hook to glue them onto the backside of the shroud ...
 
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... bound them too for having a stable fixation during rigging ceremony and ready are the shroud trucks.
 
And then came a nice summer bouquet of assorted halyards, sheets, bunt lines, clue lines and tricing lines in a rich assortment of thicknesses. Some clamps still free for the stun´sail´s rigging
 
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And now you see the reason, why I went through the task of adding the clamps. But equally exciting was to fix the lines onto them as I had no access from the back ...
 
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... later I will still add some bights.
 
Kenavo, DAniel
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Posted by dafi on Friday, June 24, 2016 4:22 PM
As being an old incremetalist I chose the smallest possible headway - I fixed an anchor  :-)
 
Some loops around the stock and the timberhead ...
 
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... a chain around the shaft and a loop around the palm should do the trick for the small display. Luckily the inside can´t be seen ;-)
 
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And then a detail I discovered on plenty of replicas, the lanyards were secured by a lashing :-)
 
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XXXDAn
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Posted by dafi on Monday, July 4, 2016 9:45 AM
The next thing started quite easily with a large scale model of a bacteriophage on a 0,5 mm drill ... 
 
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... mirrored and streamlined ...
 
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... one side enroled ...
 
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... other side too ...
 
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... and done :-)
 
That the stream anchor usually was carried on the port side I wished to be excused in this display, but it was too nice a detail to not fiddle it out :-)
 
But now the difficult questions: I wonder about the lashings of the anchors. Only some turns around stock or shaft up to the timberheads? But still the weight is transmitted to the channels with no further support? And then the steam anchor on top? And should the stock of the steam anchor not be lashed onto the stock of the best bower? Would also avoid the steam anchor to turn around and give better view for the gun ...
 
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... so I keep wondering ...
 
... Daniel
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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, July 4, 2016 4:04 PM
Reports differ on whether your bateriophagewas painted half-red or half red and half-green--as that determined which end was lashed to the crown of the anchor. With the cat beam and all the burtons about, spotting anchors was more a question of not fouling the guns when stowed.
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Posted by cerberusjf on Monday, July 11, 2016 5:47 AM

Great stuff!  And it does look like a bacteriophage :)

 

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