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Posted by Xena on Saturday, July 23, 2016 5:36 AM

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Posted by dafi on Tuesday, August 2, 2016 3:22 PM
Thank you Sirs, very appreciated!
 
And before the admiralty kills the buoy believing it is a cockroach with hairy legs I prefered fixing it fast :-)
 
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There it hangs on the shrouds ...
 
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... the ropes in nice turns ...
 
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... under the influence of modelmakers gravity ...
 
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... down to where it is fixed on the anchor.
 
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And lucky too I was, luckily :-)
When I made the buoy I just guessed its size using pictures of the Vic in P. and gave it 1,5 m. Then got panic and searched through the literature which would be the correct size. Took a while until I found in Lee, that it should be a quarter of the shaft´s length. Hastily measured the anchor - 60 mm so my 15 mm are just about fine :-)
 
Cheers, Daniel

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, August 8, 2016 2:23 PM

Hi ;

   I wouldn't worry to much about the tarred color . It did and does change in real world conditions as far as weathering is concerned .  T.B.

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Posted by dafi on Monday, August 22, 2016 1:23 PM

No matter TB, this time I wanted to go the full diestance and solve the problem.

 
Was hard enough to put the lanyards around the buoy so I used plain rope ...
 
... even though I knew better that it was meant to be served.
 
So they got me ...
 
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... but I covered the rope with several coats of diluted white glue and splashed some black paint onto it. Perfect for the scale and thickness of the rope :-)
 
Still discussing the color of the buoy rope: The Vic in P. shows light rope and also plenty of contemporary models do ...
 
... but also plenty show dark tarred ropes.
 
Also in the literature plenty of hints of serving the buoys lanyards, but no mentioning of tarring the buoy rope ...
 
Cheers, Daniel
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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, August 22, 2016 2:51 PM

I would say from a little experience that when an opject is wrapped in rope, then either painted colors or tarred, the wrappings gonna be that way too.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by dafi on Tuesday, August 23, 2016 5:21 AM
Yes GMorrison, there were some flaws still. 
 
But a good friend of mine, who also build a marvellous model of a french 74 for the technical Museum in Munich insisted ...
 
Buoy ropes should be tarred and not à la natüre and the buoy slings be smarted ...
 
... also the lenght of the buoy rope was questioned ...
 
... and-and-and ...
 
...
 
Back at home same procedure as usual ...
 
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... first the buoy rope tarred - not to dark - and about 20 fathoms long and thickness a third of the anchor cable - a heavy tool needed to break free the bower from the ground.
 
 
Then tarred the slings with white glue and black paint to make disappear the gaps to look like the right one ...
 
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... but at least the fingers looked spectacular ...
 
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... and then my misinterpretation - the buoy itself à la natüre and not tarred ...
 
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... and V2 goes down the drains :-)
 
Then the discussion goes on about the thickness of the slings: Usually the slings and lanyards have half or a third of the superior rope´s diameter.
 
So new slings done, 1/3 of the anchor cable and 1/3 of the buoy rope ...
 
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... looks ridiculous :-(
 
Got it, the slings are not to transmit force its just to hold the buoy. Ok, discard V3.
 
By then Bernd showed a nice version in our german forum http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t717f368-HMS-Pandora-scratch-11.html#msg44816
 
... that brought me back to the testing grounds :-)
 
V4 was another try with slings of white glue, thick black paint and brown casein paint ...
 
... but realised half way that they represnt much more a rubber duck than a buoy slings ...
 
... that is why I stopped and  ...
 
... some time later:
 
The best results I usually got if was as near to the original as posible. So I went to try out the real serving. But as the real thin ropes proved to be to be to thin for the serving mashine I used copper wire.
 
Took one of my two colored ropes ...
 
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... enjoyed the fancy effects ;-)
 
So another try with two single untwisted threads - black and brown - to get the wanted color effect, the wire was first blackened with Edding ...
 
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... and bingo - here we go :-)
 
Another comparison in between the fake white glue version and the real served one.
 
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Used V4 and the fancy colored rope to try the fixing of the slings and it proves to work far better than the rubber version seen of the bottom :-)
 
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Made my now famous bacteriophage ...
 
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... looks already creepy ...
 
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... but this full-sucked tick, that will be V5 ;-)
 
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Placed in its place ...
 
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And what will remain? Only the memory remains ... of V1 up to V4 ...
 
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XXXDAn
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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 10:26 PM
I cannot imagine rowing a windlass-equipped longboat out to an anchor buoy that was black against the dark ocean. Modern USN practice--such as it is--uses either a round or double-conical buoy. This is made or painted white,and half is painted green and the other buoy painted red for port and starboard. A wire rope pendant is spliced through one of the eyes in the flukes of the anchor. A hauling line is then made up to the depth of the anchorage plus tidal range. This is bent to the pendant and the buoy. The buoy and its line are ties up with marline to a stanchion base or the like. When the anchor is let go, the marline parts and the line pays out as the anchor takes to ground. The buoy is meant to be visible enough to keep fishermen or the like from steaming over the anchor and fouling the anchor or ground tackle or both.
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Posted by dafi on Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:08 AM

I know what you mean, but to be honest, I simply know them as "tarred" in the contemporary literature.

Here a 19th century fishing buoy from NMM ZBA4131 - also painted black

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/266589.html

 

 

And finally some more tinkering.
 
First a small sweet part, a new tie for my little shipyard worker?
 
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No a small loop for the surplus rope on the clamp behind the shroud :-)
 
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The other ones were left a tad longer. But it was a tough job to place them behind the ratlines.
 
 
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And here the new lashing of the stream anchor 2.0
 
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If one looks long enough, then suddenly:  Lavery´s Arming and Fitting page 55, and this makes much more sense. The stream anchor sits neatly arm on arm, can´t rotate, easy to lash and even clears the gun port :-)
 
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Cheers, Daniel
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Posted by Staale S on Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:42 PM

You are a madman, Sir. I mean this in the nicest possible way, of course.

 

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Posted by dafi on Friday, August 26, 2016 9:47 AM

Thank you Staale!

 

Alle Jahre wieder (Every year again), also known as "every decade the dafi manages to finish something" ...
 
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... my small slice of in between meal is served  ...
 
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... and lives ...
 
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... while you can hear the chant "By the deep 17" ...
 
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... the lieutenant and his midi are listening carefully ...
 
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... and whisper it further with the speaking trumpet.
 
In the same time the crew ...
 
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... with her own calm ...
 
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... and sangfroid ...
 
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... brings up a new rope.
 
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And as the story was so great, here the whole picture :-)
 
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Now only missing a new passe-partout and some good pictures,
 
cheers, enjoy and have fun, the dafi
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Posted by cerberusjf on Friday, August 26, 2016 4:33 PM

Terrific work!!!  :)  I was wondering, does the line at the top of the buoy lead to the ship when the buoy is in the water?  I assume it does, but haven't really found anything that says anything so far.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, August 27, 2016 7:05 PM

No the top line on the buoy is to recover it. Otherwise, it, the buoy, merely floats over the anchor on the bottom, fastened by the line bent to the crown of the anchor.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:32 AM

Now I know !

 After following this  thread , why your tag is Dafi . Doing all that to a Tic-Tac , I'd be dafi too ! Actually quite entertaining thread though . Love ya for it   T.B.

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Posted by dafi on Friday, September 23, 2016 11:45 AM
Thanks you Sirs, very kind!
 
My small piece of cake found a temporary home in my Trafalgar shrine, beside the tankard displaying the battle lines, the Nelson magnifying glass, the photography of Nelson´s ghost and the piece of original oak*** of the HMS Victory.
 
 
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Cheers and shiver in deverence, Daniel
 
***from ecologically certified dismantling ;-)
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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, September 23, 2016 1:03 PM

How did you aquire the *Original* piece of oak?

 

Rob Hmm

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Posted by dafi on Friday, September 23, 2016 2:13 PM

From the museum shop in P. 

 

WITH certificate!

 

All original from HMS V.

 

Nobody claimed that it was from 1765 ;-)

 

XXXDAn

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