thank's mike , what I meant by stuffed up , in the hms victory diaries section , on pete coleman's site , a bloke named michael , I think it is the first one , was doing a beautiful 1765 version of the victory with all of it's difference's to the 1805 version , cut away top deck around the main mast , balconies on the stern , the mizzen mast had a different sail configuration etc, all of his pic's have been hijacked by photobucket , the reference material I am after is when the victory was first built , so I can compare the two versions this is all I have been able to find so far
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