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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:47 PM
Thank you Ed for this. I presume the  Aries engine'll work with these drawings?  I just copied them to my desktop & I'll be reviewing this  a bit later.  It's been said there's another Packard engine from a P-40 or Spitfire that would work. Is there a difference?
Thanks.

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Posted by weebles on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:07 PM

Chun's book has some interior drawings.  If you go to ebay you will find the book without any problem. 

I would contact PT Boats Inc.  They have a list of drawings you can purchase and as I recall they have some interior drawings.  I got a very nice set of drawings from them for the PT Boat cradle. 

Best of luck with your project!

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Posted by qmiester on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:15 PM
I would venture a guess that the PT engine is somewhat larger than the aircraft engine.  I base this on the fact that the PT engine has more cubic inches of displacement (2490) than the aircraft engine (1650).  I would make the comparison of say a V-8 in a truck vs a V-8 in a sports car.  The truck engine has to move a heavier load, usually doesn't have as much horsepower, and is designed to produce more torque than the engine in a car. So generally, the truck engine is physically larger that the auto engine.  The drawing indicates the length of the PT engine is aprox 9.5 ft long and it seems to me that the few Merlins I've been lucky enough to work on were were shorter (never measured one, so I can't be really sure).  Just some thoughts on the subject.
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:23 AM
I know there's very little difference in horsepower between a car & a truck. I've pulled a 400c.i. (S/B) out of a monte Carlo & dropped into my 66 Chevy truck. The only real diff was the truck had a 4spd trans & rear end so, was alot quicker on take off, pulling,etc.Sign - Off Topic!! [#offtopic]  I believe that there is a difference to some degree between an A/C & PT engine as far as  "visible differences".
 Thanks  again fellas, I appreciate all the feedback on this!
Eddie

Ed, I went to the link mentioned on those plans & found that quite interesting. Great stuff there!Cool [8D]
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Posted by grandadjohn on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:30 PM
For your info, for external fittings and weapons check out www.hrprod.com
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:47 PM
Thanks John, I'll check out the link.
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Posted by John @ WEM on Thursday, December 1, 2005 6:18 PM

Don't use 5-N Navy Green for the 109 as-lost. She was most likely in a local home-brew paint that came to be known as Tropical Green. We've got it as accurately matched as possible in our Colourcoats enamels, item US 29.

Cheers,

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Thursday, December 1, 2005 7:43 PM
US 39. Thanks John. I've got it written down on my list of PT "Needs"Smile [:)]

Now, what size styrene should I use for the bulkheads, walls, etc. on the interior? This thought just crossed my fried brain Confused [%-)]

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Posted by EdGrune on Friday, December 2, 2005 7:21 AM
10 thou Evergreen would be about 3/4 inch in 1:72 scale (72 x 0.010).    Thirty thou would be about 2 inches.   I think I'd lay in a supply of 30 thou stock for the structural members and use the 10 thou for the sheathing.
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Friday, December 2, 2005 10:24 AM
 EdGrune wrote:
10 thou Evergreen would be about 3/4 inch in 1:72 scale (72 x 0.010).    Thirty thou would be about 2 inches.   I think I'd lay in a supply of 30 thou stock for the structural members and use the 10 thou for the sheathing.


Much appreciated Ed. I'll add these to my list.Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, December 5, 2005 12:42 PM
While searching the Aires site looking for the Aires set #7015 and seen  the set #7127 Allison V-1710-85.  Along with a few other engines.
 I know the PTs used the 4M-2500 but, I can't find one period. What would be a suitable engine to use??  Confused [%-)]

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:08 PM
Ok I just found someone who has done something similar to this & he used the "engine & things" Packard built R/R Merlin. I'm going to add this to my list of "needed" items and then start scratch building parts.Confused [%-)] This ought to be interesting....Mischief [:-,]
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:19 PM
 EdGrune wrote:

Some of these have been reproduced in smaller format in Victor Chun's book 'American PT Boats in WWII' .   They are smaller, and all the information you may need are not there.  The popular-press books do not cover the kind of internal details you seek.

BTW -- the aftermarket resin Packard engines sold for aircraft models are not directly applicable for those used on PT boats.

You must really see the White Ensign photoetched detail set for the PT-109.  Many of the clunky details from the Revell kit are replaced with this kit.   They also make a mor accurate 37mm anti-tank gun which the PT-109 carried at the time of her loss.   Much better than the Hasegawa gun which has been used by may others previously.

Colors - basically semigloss white interior and a locally brewed MTB green over a Copperoid bottom.  White Ensign makes the correct green.  Copperoid was a redish/orange   primer-like color


EdGrune, I just ordered the Victor Chun's book along with the WEM PE sets this evening. I'm looking foreward to their arrivalBig Smile [:D] Just wanted to let you know. Thanks

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 26, 2005 10:53 PM
Well i was about to buy the kit (20% off for boxing day) and my local hobby shop sold the last 2 in the past couple days! $%#@ They said they could have anotherone in a few weeks but Il start my Tamiya Sherman in the mean time.
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:50 AM
Hey Rob, I bought mine through squadron.com and dropped off at my door a few days later. I have to order some supplies & of course an engine or two to modify before I can start my project.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:48 PM
Id love to order online but im only 16 so I need to use my dads credit card to order and he thinks that everything on the internet is a scam.Sad [:(]
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:11 PM
 Rob J wrote:
Id love to order online but im only 16 so I need to use my dads credit card to order and he thinks that everything on the internet is a scam.Sad [:(]


Hey Rob, tell your dad here's the ph# and he can place the order himselfBig Smile [:D]
972-242-8663 (8:30am-5:30pm CST M-Sat) 
Revell RM0310  1/72 PT-109    $13.96
Revell of Germany RG5048 Torpedo Boat PT-117    $11.46  (same class as PT-109 plus, has 4 figures)

hth
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:10 PM
Hi guys Ive been checking all the PT boat questions,I just completed a 2 year build on a 1/20 scale elco,the 159 boat which led the rescue of the 109 crew. Mosquito boat hobbies.com is a great web site for kits,parts and links. the engines are a marine V12......I will post some pics soon, PS the decks on the elco boats were so perfect planking is not visable even on 1/20 scale boats...........have a good one...........Alan
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:48 PM
 Steel Panther wrote:
Hi guys Ive been checking all the PT boat questions,I just completed a 2 year build on a 1/20 scale elco,the 159 boat which led the rescue of the 109 crew. Mosquito boat hobbies.com is a great web site for kits,parts and links. the engines are a marine V12......I will post some pics soon, PS the decks on the elco boats were so perfect planking is not visable even on 1/20 scale boats...........have a good one...........Alan


1/20 PT boat that took 2 years, I would LOVE to see some pics.
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Posted by smokinguns3 on Sunday, January 1, 2006 1:06 AM

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
 Rob J wrote:
Id love to order online but im only 16 so I need to use my dads credit card to order and he thinks that everything on the internet is a scam.Sad [:(]


Hey Rob, tell your dad here's the ph# and he can place the order himselfBig Smile [:D]
972-242-8663 (8:30am-5:30pm CST M-Sat) 
Revell RM0310  1/72 PT-109    $13.96
Revell of Germany RG5048 Torpedo Boat PT-117    $11.46  (same class as PT-109 plus, has 4 figures)

hth
EddieSmile [:)]

Ha Now can call and bug the holy Censored [censored] out of ya LOLJust kidding ED

 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, January 1, 2006 4:18 PM
smokinguns3 do  ya think I'd put my ph# up in here??? LoL... I just did a plug for squadron,com Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by smokinguns3 on Sunday, January 1, 2006 4:39 PM
Only you would think of that.Thell be getting phone call's yes is Ed there Ed who!
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, January 2, 2006 12:24 AM
 smokinguns3 wrote:
Only you would think of that.Thell be getting phone call's yes is Ed there Ed who!


Only you would think to call....Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D] to harass meWink [;)]
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Tuesday, January 3, 2006 8:51 PM
Just received my copy of "American PT Boats in WWII" by Victor Chun. I haven't read it yet but, have scanned through it & I can see why this book was referred to for references!!Big Smile [:D] Thanks Weeble & EdGrune for twistin' my armWink [;)] Great pics & Diagrams of all the various  PT Boats.(Elco, Higgins,etc)
Keep the razors sharp!!Propeller [8-]

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, January 7, 2006 10:16 AM
Well Fellas, my WEM order arrived last niteBig Smile [:D] all I can say isWow!! [wow] impressive piece of work! I'm waiting for payday to come around so I can order a resin starter set & some Evergreen styrene and, hopefully a couple of engines.  I'm looking at the Liberty V-12 & the Rolls Royce Merlin 61,68.  (the Liberty lower end w/ R/R top end) which will be my baseline & then build what I need from there. How's this sound?
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:24 AM
Well, it's been a few months since I've done any kind of research on  this projectDead [xx(] "daily life has a way of getting in the wayBanged Head [banghead] Now that a G/B on PT Boats is starting up I am going to get my 109 (finally) started. I have yet to figure out how to do the engines but, I guess they'll just have to wait until a later dateSad [:(]

The past few days I've been going over the WeM instructions & reviewing posts trying to make some sense out of themBanged Head [banghead] while I await the orders to startbuilding.Smile [:)] I can say this'll be fun

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Posted by alross2 on Sunday, April 30, 2006 2:08 PM

The Allison and 4M have little in common.  However, I've posted drawings of the 4M2500 from the maintenance manual at www.coastalforcesplans.com/4m2500 for reference.  If these aren't clear, let me know and I'll try another approach.

Al Ross

 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, April 30, 2006 2:52 PM
Thanks Al, I had a hard time with seeing the images clearly.  It'll be awhile before I can attempt to recreate the engines for my PT boat. I am considering the Liberty V-12 and the Rolls Royce Merlin 61 for a base to work from. The Liberty block is fairly close & the Cylinder bank looks acceptable from the  Merlin 61 with the OHC

What is your take on this Al? You have quite alot more knowledge than I doApprove [^]

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Posted by alross2 on Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:00 PM

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
Thanks Al, I had a hard time with seeing the images clearly.  It'll be awhile before I can attempt to recreate the engines for my PT boat. I am considering the Liberty V-12 and the Rolls Royce Merlin 61 for a base to work from. The Liberty block is fairly close & the Cylinder bank looks acceptable from the  Merlin 61 with the OHC

What is your take on this Al? You have quite alot more knowledge than I doApprove [^]

OK, I'll see if I can find another site with better graphics.  These were copied at 600dpi, so the original jpg should be pretty good.  If you have ACF, V2, you have John's redrawn 4M plans, anyway. 

As for cobbling together a 4M, you have only yourself to please... :-}.  I'm a "rivet counter", so I tend to be a bit anal about details.

What happened to the photo insert here?

Al

 

 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:12 PM
I do have the ACF,V2 and I've been studyin' it quite thoroughly in preparation for the G/B I'm signed on withBig Smile [:D]
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