PT-109

Shoot, whadya want me to do? extend the deadline again???? LOL...

   Looking forward to the new products!

                                Greg

user="John @ WEM"] Be patient, and we'll have them available later this year/early next year, complete with their own photoetch. We're doing USN Mk.14 torpedoes in conjunction with the Revell 1/72 Gato-class sub, and they'll be just fine for your 109-boat. In fact, you can pre-order them now. Cheers, John Snyder, White Ensign Models, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com

cthulhu77 wrote:

Shoot, whadya want me to do? extend the deadline again???? LOL...      Looking forward to the new products!                                 Greg

The Packard V-12's used in the PT boats were, if I remember right, V-1710's.  That's 1710

cubic inched.  WAY bigger than anything Packard ever put in a car.

Ray

What grit did you use to sand down the decks? Do we really need to sand down the decks on a PT-109 boat?

Regarding the .50s. I notice some boats have muzzle guards on the tips of the .50s, others have as we are accustomed to from aircraft-bare muzzles. What type did PT-109 have.

Thanks for the DC dims. Making one for the boat.

When is the deadline for the build?

Celestino wrote:

What grit did you use to sand down the decks? Do we really need to sand down the decks on a PT-109 boat? Regarding the .50s. I notice some boats have muzzle guards on the tips of the .50s, others have as we are accustomed to from aircraft-bare muzzles. What type did PT-109 have. Thanks for the DC dims. Making one for the boat. When is the deadline for the build?

I used sanding sticks mostly & then wet sanded with 600 grit. Started with the coarse & moved upto the fine. I used a dremel tool to remove the moulded on detail that needs to be removed & I've been using Michel's pics of the PT-117 as he is also using the WEM PE set.

I'll have to check my references on the muzzle guards for the .50s. Good question

I so believe the deadline for the G/B is Dec. 1st. Greg moved it up due to a death in my family. (Thanks again for that Greg!)

The 109 50 cal's had flash guards.  I'm not sure if that's the correct name for them or not.

I can tell you the deadline for finishing my 109 boat is when I complete it.  Now that winter is coming I'll have more time to devote to it. 

Dave

Folks, one more. The windshield screen and main cabin ports-two forward, one either side. I am guessing these also had armored visors. Cannot see boats in combat with glass so nearby to cause splinter casualties.

Yes, I read regarding no mast on PT-109 by the time JFK assumed command.

You know, just trying to do a reasonably nice job. Not a museum piece. No PE. scratching the rails bollards, hand grabs and stuff. But the windshield thing would be an eyesore. Same with the mast.

Oh yeah, no stanchions up front.

Original build of Airfix E-boat is in primer and assembled in sections. Just need to apply paint. Still not sure what scheme to use.

No crucifying around here!    The mast issue is open for interpretation.  There are only two photos of the 109 that I've ever seen at the time Kennedy skippered the boat.  Neither indicates a mast.  I asked Dick Keresey, skipper of PT-105 about this, and he said that it was either folded down or gone.  He said it was not unusual for masts to be gone from the boats during this period.

Is it gone?  Is it folded?  Was it removed from a previous failed radar experiement prior to Kennedy?  Did another crew salvage it between commands?  Nobody knows for sure.  It just doesn't show up in two photos and that's not enough proof to say it didn't have a mast.

To me the mast is a signature piece of the boat.  It looks kind of naked without it.  At the end of the day build it as you wish based on the evidence available.  Build it so you'll be happy with the results. 

As for the windows.... the wind screen was probably armor.  The windows of the chart house were painted over and not armor according to Dick Keresey.  As long as you don't make them clear and just paint over them you should be fine. 

Have fun.

Dave

Celestino wrote:

Regarding the .50s. I notice some boats have muzzle guards on the tips of the .50s, others have as we are accustomed to from aircraft-bare muzzles. What type did PT-109 have. Thanks for the DC dims. Making one for the boat. When is the deadline for the build?

Here's one of the pics i was thinking of
http://www.battleshipcove.org/Assets/Images%20-%20General/News/gallery-news-kit-pt/news-kit-pt109crew-b.jpg

You can see the 50s in it &  as Dave says the "mast issue" is up for debate

Hay Ed.................................  Git 'er Done! Git 'er Done!!  ................

And I want to see some PICS !!!

Bud

Dubau wrote:

Hay Ed.................................  Git 'er Done! Git 'er Done!!  ................ And I want to see some PICS !!! Bud

I am not able to post pics unless I sign on to one of the photo hosting sites and then transfer the link. Cannot post photos directly from my saved files. Or, better said, I do not know how to if it is possible.

Sing up for your photo hosting at www.photobucket.com it's FREE

Celestino wrote:

I am not able to post pics unless I sign on to one of the photo hosting sites and then transfer the link. Cannot post photos directly from my saved files. Or, better said, I do not know how to if it is possible.

The wheel is a six spoke cast aluminum unit with separate spoke handles.   A seventh handle ("suicide knob") was added in a horizontal position to facilitate rapid turning.  I've posted a photo of one taken from the ELCO Parts Book on my Coastal Forces Plans (www.coastalforcesplans.com) site under "References".

Al

Unfortunately, about the wheel, the one in the kit is not very realistic, and I find it would be a hard job to do a new one from scratch.

Tell me when you are busy with the torpedoes (I mean, sanding them), because they need some more explanations.

Michel

Hippy-Ed wrote:

. Do I need to remove the hatch on top of the dayroom (foreward on the starboard side)?

No, that should be there.

Al

Hi Eddie,

The drawings I have for the 1/48 103 class boat that Al put together show that window.  On my boat I carved out the window and did the same on the sides of the chart house.  I backed it with styrene.  After painting I'm going to drop some future in there on the exterior to imitate glass. 

Dave

There are also enough photo etch windows in the WEM set to cover that rear window on the day cabin if you prefer to go that route. 

Dave

Hippy-Ed wrote:

From the looks of things, the window covers go on the inside Al, I hope you don't mind my posting this (Page 136 of "Allied Coastal Forces vol. 2" by Al Ross & John Lambert)

My ummm "associates" will be at your doorstep within the next few hours... :-}

Yup, the light excluders were on the inside of both the day cabin and chart house.  The door at the aft end of the day cabin leads down into the engineroom.

Al

alross2 wrote:

Hippy-Ed wrote: From the looks of things, the window covers go on the inside Al, I hope you don't mind my posting this (Page 136 of "Allied Coastal Forces vol. 2" by Al Ross & John Lambert) My ummm "associates" will be at your doorstep within the next few hours... :-} Yup, the light excluders were on the inside of both the day cabin and chart house.  The door at the aft end of the day cabin leads down into the engineroom. Al