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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, July 29, 2006 2:33 PM
I ahve not done anything on this in a spell as many of you know, there was a death in the family & I have been dealing with those issues.
I also realised I screwed up on the deck by removing the torp tube mounts completely. I am hoping that I can get back into the swing of things so I can finish this up before too long.

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Posted by runkel on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 1:28 PM

Guy's

You might want to check this out http://pt728.com/ found it on a fishing website.

Jim
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 7:16 PM
Very interesting runkelBig Smile [:D] Thanks for sharing this with us.You might want to post it on the Torpedo Boat G/B threadThumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:43 AM
I'm back on this build. Sorry, no pics. Stil need to get a decent cameraAshamed [*^_^*]
I did get another kit (Thanks Greg!!) I've been sanding the eck down these past few days following Michel's  progress pics of the PT-117 for thr G/B so, I think I'll be alright this time around. I am wondering about the Fuel caps tho, do they need to come off as well?

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:19 AM

Ed,

sorry, I did not answer you before.  I stop the building during some days, next step will be to scratchbuild some parts (horn, air vents,...)

You are right, fuel caps must be sanded too.

Michel

 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:29 AM
Thanks MichelThumbs Up [tup] Be sure to post how you scratchbuild the air horn as I'm giving that some thought tooTongue [:P]
I've been checking your thread as I work on minesince you've made alot of headway with the WEM set. Looks very good too.

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Posted by smokinguns3 on Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:31 AM
Oh hell know you aint gettin away with out any pics RUFF RUFF RUFF I want pics. My turn to be a porgress dog Ruff.
Rob I think i can I think i can
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:33 AM
 smokinguns3 wrote:
Oh hell know you aint gettin away with out any pics RUFF RUFF RUFF I want pics. My turn to be a porgress dog Ruff.


Shock [:O] Well, if ya want pics... send me a cameraWhistling [:-^]
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Posted by smokinguns3 on Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:35 AM
Wise guy you said you had one it just takes crappy pics.
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:44 AM
 smokinguns3 wrote:
Wise guy you said you had one it just takes crappy pics.


yup, a Polariod & I can't find the 600 film for it anywheresBanged Head [banghead]
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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:00 PM

Andy,

No.  PTs were not all one color.  Of course just before the war and just after the start of hostilities - yeah they were, in Ms.1 or that attractive scheme that you sometimes see photos of PT-103 and PT-117 in of the two Grays, but once they got into the field, they were camouflaged, often by the crews using locally acquired paints, applied by whatever methods the crews could have used ...

Garth

 

 

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Posted by DURR on Monday, October 2, 2006 7:49 AM
 afulcher wrote:

Interesting that they selected the V-12's as the cars with the V-12's were discontinued after 1939. Was someone trying to liquidate inventory?

Andy

they were avation eng. not the same as the car eng  and were super charged they were much bigger than the car eng.

i been to battle cove and i have seen the v-12 in a 34 packard

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Monday, October 2, 2006 10:17 AM

  In regards to the paint modifications from spec, the deviation was astounding.  Since the mosquito boats were basically considered to be a joke by most of the upper echelon, they didn't draw much in the way of supplies, and had to make do with what no one else wanted. No fifty cal ammunition? well, take off the fifties and put on BAR's or whatever you had floating around...lash some mortars you "borrowed" to the deck...hey, did you see those five gallon cans of aircraft paint on the loading dock? Hmmm...

   It is what makes these tough little boats so impressive. American ingenuity at it's finest.

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Monday, October 2, 2006 10:53 AM
BARs in the turrets?  I've heard of them having an Oerlikon 20mm in the turrets on a Mark 12 mount - can you verify that a boat had BARs in the turrets?
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Posted by cthulhu77 on Monday, October 2, 2006 8:41 PM
No photographic evidence, if that is what you mean. Just the stories from my dad and his mates, when they described using damn near anything they could find to shoot with. I doubt they mounted them on the pintles, but jury rigged a fitting. Lots of the PT boat crews had friends in the seabee's, and quite a few were pre-war construction types, used to fabricating on the fly.
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Posted by DURR on Monday, October 2, 2006 9:32 PM

 PTConsultingNHR wrote:
BARs in the turrets?  I've heard of them having an Oerlikon 20mm in the turrets on a Mark 12 mount - can you verify that a boat had BARs in the turrets?

well the pt73 had booze in one of the torpedo tubes so the need bars in the turretsLaugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Monday, October 2, 2006 9:42 PM
Yeah, but the BARmaids were really ugly!
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Tuesday, October 3, 2006 12:05 AM
 cthulhu77 wrote:
Yeah, but the BARmaids were really ugly!


Ugliest I ever saw!!Black Eye [B)]

I've pretty much got the deck sanded & am doing filler now. Tongue [:P] Gee, what fun...

Here's a Question [?] for y'all... are the D/Cs the same dia. as the Torp tubes?   I came upon a sratchbuilt  D/C on steelnavy.com recently and the guy (name escapes me at the moment) used a 3/8' dia. tube to make the D/C  (Garth, he's a buddy of yours)
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, October 7, 2006 1:31 AM
 cthulhu77 wrote:

  In regards to the paint modifications from spec, the deviation was astounding.  Since the mosquito boats were basically considered to be a joke by most of the upper echelon, they didn't draw much in the way of supplies, and had to make do with what no one else wanted. No fifty cal ammunition? well, take off the fifties and put on BAR's or whatever you had floating around...lash some mortars you "borrowed" to the deck...hey, did you see those five gallon cans of aircraft paint on the loading dock? Hmmm...

   It is what makes these tough little boats so impressive. American ingenuity at it's finest.



At some point someone tried out a bazooka mounted on a tripod iirc. Now that' an interesting  tidbit.
The guys in the foreward areas scavenged for anything they deemed useful. It also adds to making our hobby more interestingTongue [:P]
Speaking of which, I've been slowly working on the 109 trying to do a half decent job on the sanding & cleaning up the seam lines & flash, pin marks,etc.
I know, I know, I need to post some picsAshamed [*^_^*] Need to get a camera that I can get film forSigh [sigh]
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Posted by alross2 on Saturday, October 7, 2006 6:09 PM

are the D/Cs the same dia. as the Torp tubes?

Nope.  The standard 300 pound MK6 charge is 17.625" x 27.625".

Al Ross

 

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Saturday, October 7, 2006 6:19 PM
Hippy Ed,

Didn't that data I sent you help at all?

Garth
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, October 7, 2006 7:49 PM
 PTConsultingNHR wrote:
Hippy Ed, Didn't that data I sent you help at all? Garth


Garth, I went looking for it the other night & couldn't find it. Sad [:(] I'll look again this evening when I have the chance. (I might've put it in the wrongCensored [censored] folder) I usually print stuff like that out & put it into a specific folder.

Thanks Al, I appreciate the response.
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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Sunday, October 8, 2006 9:29 AM
Well, I'm here if you'll need help ...

Garth
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, October 8, 2006 10:50 AM
Garth,
I found that info you'd sent. It was an interesting tidbit of info but wasn't much help in the diameters on the D/C. Only that it is bout 18"in dia. x 28" long.  Now I understand there were 2 different diameters for the torp tubes... 18" and 21" Which set did the 109 have? I'm thinking they were the 18" since it was early in the war?

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, October 8, 2006 11:03 AM
 Hippy-Ed wrote:
  I came upon a sratchbuilt  D/C on steelnavy.com recently and the guy (name escapes me at the moment) used a 3/8' dia. tube to make the D/C  (Garth, he's a buddy of yours)


Ok, found the info on the scratchbuilt D/C
Fritz Koopman said (Sept. 1,2006 on SteelNavy.com)

"The depth charges are scratchbuilt.  The type C 300lb charge was 17.6" in dia. x 27.6" long. In 1/72 scale this translates to 0.2444" x 0.3833".. I used a section of 1/4" styrene tube cut to 2/8" long, and glued 0.01 styrene sheet to either end to cap it off. The WEM depth charge PE details were then added to this"

This sounds like it'll be fairly simple to do.
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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 12:07 PM
The 109 had 21 inch diameter torpedoes .................
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:57 PM
Thanks Garth.  Now that would be what, 5/8" in 1/72? Scale conversion isn't easy for me.Blush [:I]
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Posted by alross2 on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:48 PM

When you have a ratio like 1/72, that simply means that one unit of measurement (inches, feet, yards, millimeters, meters, etc.) on the model is equal to 72 of the same unit of measurement on the real thing.  In your example (torpedo), the unit of measurement of the real thing is inches (21" diameter ), so to figure the diameter of the torpedo on the model, divide 21" by 72, which is approximately .291".  Expressed as a fraction, this is just under 19/64". 

A 1/72 scale torpedo that was 5/8" (approximately .625") in diameter would equate to a 45" diameter real one.  Man, can you imagine the size of the hole that would make in the side of a ship... :-}.

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:52 PM
 alross2 wrote:

When you have a ratio like 1/72, that simply means that one unit of measurement (inches, feet, yards, millimeters, meters, etc.) on the model is equal to 72 of the same unit of measurement on the real thing.  In your example (torpedo), the unit of measurement of the real thing is inches (21" diameter ), so to figure the diameter of the torpedo on the model, divide 21" by 72, which is approximately .291".  Expressed as a fraction, this is just under 19/64". 

A 1/72 scale torpedo that was 5/8" (approximately .625") in diameter would equate to a 45" diameter real one.  Man, can you imagine the size of the hole that would make in the side of a ship... :-}.

Al Ross

 



Thanks again Al for setting me straightShy [8)] Told ya I had troubles with cruching the numbersBlush [:I] NOw that makes sense. Dang, a 45" torp would've been quite useful in WWIIEvil [}:)]
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Posted by John @ WEM on Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:33 PM

Be patient, and we'll have them available later this year/early next year, complete with their own photoetch. We're doing USN Mk.14 torpedoes in conjunction with the Revell 1/72 Gato-class sub, and they'll be just fine for your 109-boat. In fact, you can pre-order them now.

Cheers,

John Snyder, White Ensign Models, http://WhiteEnsignModels.com

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