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Posted by Dubau on Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:40 PM
 Hippy-Ed wrote:

Ok, this probably aint the best pic... I set this on the scanner to show my scratchbuilt ladder for the Lazarette

 

 

I need to finish sanding it with the fine grit stuffSigh [sigh]

OMFG Ed posted a pic............ Is hell frizzzzzing over ?

Looking good Bow [bow]

Bud

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PT-109 Update
Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:57 PM

Ok, this probably aint the best pic... I set this on the scanner to show my scratchbuilt ladder for the Lazarette

 

 

I need to finish sanding it with the fine grit stuffSigh [sigh]

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, November 5, 2006 12:51 PM
 Hippy-Ed wrote:

Well, I am back home & will be starting back in on this build this weekend and hopefully have it done in time to meet the G/B deadline.

I still need to get a camera thoSad [:(] 

 

Having started the Lazarette, I will need to get a camera so I can post pics of that. Here's what I have to work with at the moment & some line drawings from "Allied Coastal Forces" vol.2 Let the fun begin!! Tongue [:P]

 

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Dayroom
Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, November 5, 2006 10:42 AM
 weebles wrote:

It kind of looks like a small cabinet.  An exterior drawing shows no sign of a hatch but there is a life preserver mounted.  Medicine cabinet? 

Al, what was the day cabin used for?  This has always struck me as a strange area on the boat. 

Thanks

Dave    


Found this about the dayroom:

W-1-k. Crew's dayroom.-Located above fuel tank compartment between watertight bulkheads, with nonwatertight door to forward quarters, and sound-insulating door and hatch in after bulkhead to engine room. This door shall be fitted with double fixed window and provided with gasket seal, and clamp dog from either side, but no lock. A roll-up canvas berth, with portable head-rail, shall be installed each side of cabin, with water repellent covered cushion over canvas for seating purposes. Day room shall be available as temporary infirmary as well as crew's quarters, and shall have crew lockers, medicine cupboard, and shelves worked into after end, according to plan. The floor of the day room shall be removable, as described in section 1-4. Portable steps shall be provided at forward and aft ends to accommodate center tank fuel filling and suction fittings, as well as to provide an access cover over the fuel valves and piping on forward side of after bulkhead. Access to the after machine gun turret shall be through a door cut in the part of turret wall rounding out from the port aft corner of the day room. A stretcher handling door shall be cut in starboard aft bulkhead of the cabin trunk just above the transverse deck coaming, and shall open outward. Access doors to the tank manholes shall be cut in the side panels of the day room between the floor and the deck. In effect, all furnishings above the day room floor shall be easily removable, so that flooring and tank side panels may be removed for inspection or service of the tanks. Above the deck line, the day room shall have 3 windows each side, and one in the forward bulkhead for bridge communication. All windows shall have black-out panels (section. R-7). A fore and aft cabin top stiffener each side of the center line shall be shaped to form an overhead handrail. In the starboard forward corner, a hatch of at least 22 inches square shall be cut, with a hinge back top, to provide an exit from the day room, using a steel ladder with tubular rungs mounted on the house side. The entire center section of the cabin roof shall be mechanically removable, to facilitate the extrication of the fuel tanks.

The sides and top of day room trunk shall be constructed as described in section O-1, and shall include the after port .50 cal. machine gun turret, with main and depressed firing floors, limiting stops, exit door, and adequate drainage, as per plan.

575929-44-5

 

PT Boat Specs Was found here:

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/pt/specs/index.htm 

 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Thursday, November 2, 2006 3:09 PM

Well, I am back home & will be starting back in on this build this weekend and hopefully have it done in time to meet the G/B deadline.

I still need to get a camera thoSad [:(] 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, October 28, 2006 10:00 AM
I dunno about that Bud... be too much of a distraction!!Tongue [:P]
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Posted by Dubau on Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:49 AM
 Hippy-Ed wrote:
 Dubau wrote:

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
  I wont be able to take my modeling supplies with me

What do you mean. I told you what to do before and if a Cop pulls you over for speeding just ask him to hold the Torpedoe on the boat because the glue is drying and you can sing the ticket LOL

Best of luck my friend

Bud

 

Bud, you're a nut!! Big Smile [:D] I think I said something like that before.....  Heck, I'm gonna be too busy with studyin' at least for the first 12 weeks with classroom & driving with an instructer. 

It would be cool if that girl you talked to on the phone 2 or 3 times about this job was your Instructer  hehehhehhe

Bud

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:43 AM
 Dubau wrote:

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
  I wont be able to take my modeling supplies with me

What do you mean. I told you what to do before and if a Cop pulls you over for speeding just ask him to hold the Torpedoe on the boat because the glue is drying and you can sing the ticket LOL

Best of luck my friend

Bud

 

Bud, you're a nut!! Big Smile [:D] I think I said something like that before.....  Heck, I'm gonna be too busy with studyin' at least for the first 12 weeks with classroom & driving with an instructer. 

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Posted by Dubau on Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:56 AM

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
  I wont be able to take my modeling supplies with me

What do you mean. I told you what to do before and if a Cop pulls you over for speeding just ask him to hold the Torpedoe on the boat because the glue is drying and you can sing the ticket LOL

Best of luck my friend

Bud

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Posted by Al Gunthwaite on Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:54 AM

Good luck with the job!

Stay in touch and don't abandon the project.

There's no way that my BPB MA-SB is going to be finished by the deadline but I'm working on getting my 0.5" Vickers turret finished.

 Al

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Friday, October 27, 2006 10:34 PM

Hey y'all, what's the proceedure for putting a PT Boat in dry dock??? I'm asking this since this PT Boat is going to be put in dry dock for an extended period of time due to an interuption of the life of someone who now has a job to go to!! I wont be able to take my modeling supplies with me & may be a couple months before I can return to the hobby starting early Sunday morning. I have a loong bus ride ahead of me & I start my Class A truck driving training Monday morning in Mira Loma,Calif.

 

I am resigning from the G/B at this time. I wish y'all the best.

Eddie 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:29 PM
 Medric wrote:
Gee Ed, you're serious about this ain't ya? I love guys that are out of control.


mmmm, could beWhistling [:-^]

due to personal reasons & the deadline of the G/B I've decided not to detail out the interior such as I had planned for this. I do plan to continue with the idea at a later date once my scratchbuilding skills catch up to my thoughtsAshamed [*^_^*]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:14 PM
Gee Ed, you're serious about this ain't ya? I love guys that are out of control.
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:50 PM
seeing how you mentioned there's a litter hatch, The day cabin would be the most logical spot for a temporary infirmary
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Posted by alross2 on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:25 PM

It kind of looks like a small cabinet.  An exterior drawing shows no sign of a hatch but there is a life preserver mounted.  Medicine cabinet? 

Al, what was the day cabin used for?  This has always struck me as a strange area on the boat. 

From what I can tell, it was sort of a multi-purpose area.  The crew's quarters up forward accommodated eight, while the day room had berths and lockers for two.  The specs book for the 565 series talks about it being used as a temporary infirmary and mentions a medicine cabinet on the aft bulkhead.  I have a specs book for the first series boats, but it's buried somewhere, so I can't see what it talks about back there. 

Al

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, October 23, 2006 9:51 PM
Good question Dave.
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Posted by weebles on Monday, October 23, 2006 9:48 PM

It kind of looks like a small cabinet.  An exterior drawing shows no sign of a hatch but there is a life preserver mounted.  Medicine cabinet? 

Al, what was the day cabin used for?  This has always struck me as a strange area on the boat. 

Thanks

Dave    

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, October 23, 2006 8:54 PM
 alross2 wrote:


I am looking at the area above the door between the windiw & the aft turret. Are those double doors & if so, what are they for?

I will have to dig out the original ELCO drawings for this series and see if they are identified.  On the 565 series boats, there was a litter access hatch on the aft bulkhead of the day cabin where the window is on the first series boats.  Take a look at the first cross section drawing in the second row on page 153 of ACF V2.  The hatch is item 23.  If you look at the top view of the day cabin on page 152, you'll see that the hatch is hinged on the inboard side, just to the left of item 14.

Al 



Banged Head [banghead] Thanks Al. Seems I missed that part in the book.Blush [:I] A litter hatch... Makes sense to me.
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Posted by alross2 on Monday, October 23, 2006 8:47 PM


I am looking at the area above the door between the windiw & the aft turret. Are those double doors & if so, what are they for?

I will have to dig out the original ELCO drawings for this series and see if they are identified.  On the 565 series boats, there was a litter access hatch on the aft bulkhead of the day cabin where the window is on the first series boats.  Take a look at the first cross section drawing in the second row on page 153 of ACF V2.  The hatch is item 23.  If you look at the top view of the day cabin on page 152, you'll see that the hatch is hinged on the inboard side, just to the left of item 14.

Al 

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, October 23, 2006 3:46 PM
A thought occurred to me this weekend... Please bear with me on this. (uh-oh, Hippy's thinkin' againShock [:O]Look OUT!!)

While working on my dad's boat in my driveway, another person jacked it up & took the wheels off the trailer. In the process the side I was on dropped down & I had to counterbalance it.
This prompted me to ask this question to y'all...

If the 109 had only one D/C seeing how the port one got torpedoed, How would the weight differential affect the boat's handling & center of gravity?



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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:08 PM
 alross2 wrote:

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
From the looks of things, the window covers go on the inside

Al, I hope you don't mind my posting this (Page 136 of "Allied Coastal Forces vol. 2" by Al Ross & John Lambert)

My ummm "associates" will be at your doorstep within the next few hours... :-}

Yup, the light excluders were on the inside of both the day cabin and chart house.  The door at the aft end of the day cabin leads down into the engineroom.

Al



Thanks Al, I'll dust off my batTongue [:P]

I am looking at the area above the door between the windiw & the aft turret. Are those double doors & if so, what are they for? Just curious.
Thanks again Al.

Eddie
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Posted by alross2 on Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:02 PM

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
From the looks of things, the window covers go on the inside

Al, I hope you don't mind my posting this (Page 136 of "Allied Coastal Forces vol. 2" by Al Ross & John Lambert)

My ummm "associates" will be at your doorstep within the next few hours... :-}

Yup, the light excluders were on the inside of both the day cabin and chart house.  The door at the aft end of the day cabin leads down into the engineroom.

Al

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, October 22, 2006 10:19 AM
From the looks of things, the window covers go on the inside

Al, I hope you don't mind my posting this


(Page 136 of "Allied Coastal Forces vol. 2" by Al Ross & John Lambert)

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Posted by weebles on Sunday, October 22, 2006 10:01 AM

There are also enough photo etch windows in the WEM set to cover that rear window on the day cabin if you prefer to go that route. 

Dave

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:09 PM
Thanks DaveThumbs Up [tup] I will have to add thoose other windows too. iirc there's also a step I need to add on the starboard side?
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Posted by weebles on Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:06 PM

Hi Eddie,

The drawings I have for the 1/48 103 class boat that Al put together show that window.  On my boat I carved out the window and did the same on the sides of the chart house.  I backed it with styrene.  After painting I'm going to drop some future in there on the exterior to imitate glass. 

Dave

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:35 PM
Thanks again Al for your reply.
The more I sit here tinkerin' with the PT-109 & looking over the WEM Set trying to decide what to work on, I see things in my mind & go looking thru my reference books since I am fairly new to the PE sets & all.
Earlier today I was helping a fellow modeler with the interior of the '80 Elco and on page 136 of "ACF vol 2"  the lower left photo "Inside the day cabin looking aft" I noticed a window  on the aft side of the day cabin behind the vent pipe (fuel tank Flue?) but, I cannot find any other pics of this from the outside. Was this norma on the 103 class or the later '80 foooters?

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Posted by alross2 on Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:01 PM

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
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Do I need to remove the hatch on top of the dayroom (foreward on the starboard side)?

No, that should be there.

Al

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:20 PM
Thanks Al for your link. I'm suprised the helm is cast aluminum.

Michel, I will be ready to start sanding the torp tubes in a day or two. So far, I have the
torpedo tube mounts done, the I.P., Chart room door done.
Do I need to remove the hatch on top of the dayroom (foreward on the starboard side)?

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:12 PM

Unfortunately, about the wheel, the one in the kit is not very realistic, and I find it would be a hard job to do a new one from scratch.

Tell me when you are busy with the torpedoes (I mean, sanding them), because they need some more explanations.

Michel

 

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